Finally, there is a site where BIG Government, tax & spend liberals can literally put their money where their mouth is. What a wonderful idea. Why wait for tax increases when you can send in your donation to the Government?
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Why is that a wonderful site for liberals?
Liberals support higher taxes to accomplish specific goals. Voluntary donations can never accomplish those specific goals, so it's pointless to throw money.
Liberals are ethical and believe in paying for what they spend. Neocons are unethical because they scream for tax cuts while at the same time supporting trillion dollar unnecessary wars. I may not agree with all government spending, but I do know which side is acting like responsible adults and which side consists of spoiled children.
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Thanks, rayray. According to this site, it was created in 2005 during the years you probably refer to as "the good ol' days..."
"finally?"
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No they don't. http://ur.lc/fkx
FDR offered a windfall of immediate unearned old age benefits in exchange for putting future generations into debt slavery.. and they bought it. Every liberal entitlement since then has followed that same roadmap
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ZippyDDoodah says
Nope, actually he didn't and Social Security is a very minor problem that can be fixed. SSI taxes are almost enough to cover the program, even forward several decades. A small adjustment to retirement age, benefits, or taxes would be enough.
Medicare on the other hand cannot be fixed without drastically reducing benefits.
BTW you contradicted yourself. Liberals can't put you into debt slavery unless they support taxing what they spend. Pick one.
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Liberals spend like crack addicts today, promising to make "others" pay for it in the future.
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ZippyDDoodah says
Yes, as a liberal jewish social worker, my goal is to not only ruin my children's future, but to ruin my grandchildren's future. I also kill puppies and run over old ladies in intersections.
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ZippyDDoodah says
The biggest spender in American history was Ronald Reagan, in fact it isn't even close. He TRIPLED a 200 year national debt in only 8 years.
Obama couldn't accomplish this if he tried.
The second biggest spender in American history is George W. Bush. Obama may exceed this, but only time will tell.
Personally I don't think Obama is spending enough. Progressive taxation needs to be re-instituted and money needs to be printed.
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rayray started this thread as a way to say "conservatos good, libs bad." Not a new topic, nor is his link to a new site. Someone pissed in his cheerios today, probably a liberal.
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To ellie "I never insult anyone" mae:
Don't thank me for this being an old site, thank Patrick. He's the one that posted on his site today. LOL !
PS: To the rest of you lefties out there that are either "Jewish" or "Gentile", etc. (thanks to ellie, ethicity is important) I suggest you give until it hurts.
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elliemae says
Even more reason to GIVE UNTIL IT HURTS. Save the future generations, the whales, snale darters and Mother Earth. GIVE !
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this is a troubling time to be a closed minded conservative. we all need to be less polorized.
it really isn't us vs them. we have more in common than one might think. and in the end the goals are the same. happiness. hate and angry words never do much. just say'n.
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Official Liberal Give Meter: $0.00 and counting....
Come on people, support the cause. Big Brother needs you. GIVE!
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RayAmerica says
I already explained why giving money doesn't make any sense. Why are you continuing to spam this nonsense?
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In European terms I am a conservative, but as long as the Republican party trims its sails to the RayAmericas running around I'm forced to coalition with the idiot Dems.
I actually voted for Tom Campbell in 2000 over Feinstein, and I don't regret that vote today.
FICA payers actually have over $2T banked up (and owed by the wealthy of this country), said balance which is really starting to be drawn down this year and will be exhausted in the 2025-2035 timeframe.
Even more reason to GIVE UNTIL IT HURTS. Save the future generations, the whales, snale darters and Mother Earth. GIVE !
And disarm myself against predatory capital?
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RayAmerica says
You're very welcome. I do appreciate that you're one of my biggest fans, rayray. It makes me feel all warm & squishy inside.
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Troy says
I'm really shocked .... SHOCKED ... and dismayed that you would call Democrats "idiots." That is no way to treat Little elliemae and her ilk.
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That's funny, I also voted for Tom Campbell over Diane Feinstein. That women is evil.
I like Barbara Boxer tho. She may be a bit bubble brained sometimes, but she's a lot more sincere and generally she's running against lunatics.
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RayAmerica says
I don't gots ilk. I gots horses & goats, silly.
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Two problems with that claim iwog -
1. it's patently false since Obama/Pelosi's deficits exceed Reagans in size and in percentage of GDP.
2. Congress was controlled by Democrats when Reagan was President, and Congress controls spending. Any deficit spending at that time needs to be, at a minimum, co-shared by Democrats who were in charge of spending at that time.. that is, unless you're a partisan hack who wants to dishonestly deflect spending decisions made by your "side". After Dems decimated our national defense under Carter, Reagan had to spend $$ to rebuild in order to win the cold war, which he did! Liberals let him do so only if Reagan agreed to their massive spending on social programs. Under heavy fire from liberals who objected to his arms strategy, Democrats agreed to military spending in exchange for their social spending programs.. and the resulting deficits which resulted from this spending.
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Ray, you are amazingly one dimensional.
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Nomograph says
...anyway, I prefer to be called "southie"
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ZippyDDoodah says
It's like W and his FY09 budget never existed.
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ZippyDDoodah says
your history is faulty. For one, the Cold War was won more by Levi's, Apple Computer, the crazy industriousness if not inventiveness of the Japanese, and rock music than defense hardware, and at any rate the hardware we did have in the 80s was initiated and/or developed under Carter's admin not Reagan's, for obvious reasons if you understood military procurement. Eg. the M-1 Abrams went from prototype in 1976 to production in 1980, curiously coincident with the Carter administration you so wrongfully impugn.
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ZippyDDoodah says
O'Neill said he tried to warn Vice President Dick Cheney that growing budget deficits-expected to top $500 billion this fiscal year alone-posed a threat to the economy. Cheney cut him off. "You know, Paul, Reagan proved deficits don't matter," he said, according to excerpts. Cheney continued: "We won the midterms (congressional elections). This is our due."
-- from Paul O'Neill's expose of the late and unlamented administration, a sorry excuse for a government that is so quickly disappearing down the memory hole.
I will grant you though that the Republicans deserve just as much credit as Clinton for putting the nation on a solid fiscal course in the 90s (well, except for their total opposition to the tax rise in 1993, which they so-incorrectly claimed was going to destroy the universe). It was painful holding the 90s (non-black budget) defense establishment to under $300B/yr, but we did it, together.
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ZippyDDoodah says
I'm sorry, but you're wrong. Congress WAS NOT controlled by the Democrats, in fact the Republicans held the Senate for 6 years. Furthermore the main thing I remember about the 1980s is that Democrats were rubber stamping everything Reagan wanted. I'm particularly sick of this particular lie because like the lies regarding Reagan, it seems to have infected everyone......Democrats and Republicans alike.
You're also wrong on % of GDP. It is not fair to blame Obama for deficits left to him by Geroge Bush. Bush's last deficit exceeded $1.25 trillion. Obama's first budget deficit, which as not actually been recorded yet, (fiscal year 2009-2010 ending in October) Is projected to be over a trillion dollars. HOWEVER the HUGE majority of that spending was on the books during the Bush administration. Furthermore Obama also inherited Bush's numerous tax cuts INCLUDING the elimination of estate tax for 2010. We are now and still living under tax laws, spending laws, and government programs created by REPUBLICANS!
Contrast this to Reagan, who took an insignificant budget deficit left to him by Carter and BLEW IT THE HELL UP beyond any possible historical experience up to that time. Reagan is an unmatched figure in world history. NO ONE can possibly hold a candle to the red ink that poured out of Washington during those years. Huge tax cuts, massive spending increases, and hundreds of billions of dollars for a FAILED MX missile system. That's Reagan's legacy. Reagan more than any other historical figure INVENTED deficit spending.
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National debt held by the public was $550B in 1977 and $800B in 1981, an actual decrease in real terms.
In 1989 the national debt held by the public was $2.2T, which was a clean doubling of the debt in real terms.
Clinton (and the Republicans running Congress 1994-2000) inherited a $3.25B debt in 1993 and left us with it at $3.32B in 2001. Nicely done!
(I don't count intra-governmental debt since it, in isolation, isn't a bad debt to have on the books -- retirees have to put their savings somewhere, and a forced investment program in T-bonds is a win-win when run responsibly)
Bush took this $3.32B from FY01 and ran it up to $7.5T at the end of FY09, "only" a 75% increase in real terms, so he was no Reagan in the end.
In the first six months of this FY the national debt has increased $800B, quite an impressive rate of increase given the free money the government is getting with interest rates from our creditors. If this nominal rate of increase remains constant the national debt will be $20T when Obama is elected for his third term in 2013 (the 2012 election will be delayed due to unfortunate disturbances in the Hope & Change reeducation centers).
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Nevertheless liberals still deny the individuals full ownership of himself, denies his right to control his person and property and declares that a very great deal of his time effort and assets are at the disposable property of the state, to be redistributed to others at the discretion of government officials. On this premise, the liberal mind assumes the right to tax and regulate the citizenry but denies those activities are theft, coercion and domination.
Similar actions apply to the liberal agenda's intrusions into the world of contractual agreements and social relationships. The entire liberal enterprise is rationalized as beneficial, while the people who have lost sight and vision of individual liberty and individual responsibility, are duped into voting for manipulators masking as statesman with noble purposes.
In short, the government invites the citizen to vote for the candidate who promises what a parent promises a CHILD. It invites his to assume the DEPENDENT ROLE of the CHILD, to surrender his personal sovereignty to the state, ignore his obligation to take full responsibility for his material and social welfare, and to empower government hacks to be his MOMMY.
THIS IS A PERSCRIPTION FOR PATHOLOGICAL DEPENDENCY for weak minded, narrow minded, short sighted, controlling, do-gooders. Its commonly referred to today as the "Nanny State", "cradle-to-grave welfare", or "the road to serfdom".
Todays book: "From Dawn to Decadence" by Jacques Barzun
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So what you are saying is-- don't let the facts get in the way of my good story... "Nevertheless....."
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We need to get back to the original intent of this thread. The challenge for all those that love BIG GOVERNMENT, TAXES, etc. is to participate in this fund raising drive of which I am an enthusiastic supporter. I'm thrilled to give liberals an opportunity to prove they are not hypocrites by making it easy for them to donate towards the cause. Why wait for Big Brother to raise taxes? Take charge and raise taxes on yourself. Again, GIVE UNTIL IT HURTS !
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iwog says
Most of my liberal friends what us to become Sweden and they think every citizen should be paying 50% of their income in taxes. Meanwhile, they all cheat on their taxes. I wouldn't make a sweeping generalization like "Liberals are ethical". Most of the ones I know want all these services but when it comes time to pay the piper, they don't want to do it.
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I'm sure there are plenty of unethical liberals too, however the only place you are going to find a willingness to increase taxes to pay for what government spends is on the left.
People on the right almost universally favor drastic tax cuts AND spending increases for the military. While some conservatives favor spending cuts in federal government, I'd say 95% or more have no clue what type of cuts would be necessary to balance the current budget. Once Social Security, Medicare, the military, debt servicing, cost for veterans, the federal court system, and unemployment insurance are all funded, there's almost nothing left to cut.
Furthermore even if a "conservative" does favor large cuts in non-discretionary programs, it is IMPOSSIBLE for a Republican to win on such a platform. Cuts to medicare and social security? Dead. Cuts to unemployment insurance benefits? Dead. Cuts in military? Dead Default on debt servicing? Good luck with that. Cutting retirement benefits for veterans? Dead. Eliminating ALL pork barrel spending wouldn't do a damn thing.
Thus the bottom line is that voting for a Republican candidate can ONLY result in tax cuts without fiscal responsibility and skyrocketing debt. It's not just me saying that, it's the graph of every Republican administration from Reagan onward.
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RayAmerica says
If the original intent of this thread was to point out that liberals have a place to donate, you failed. The link isn't specific to liberals, conservatives, etc. And why do you keep yelling at us?
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Your "perscriptions" seem to be working, btw.
Do ya'll really believe that if you perceive no one is listening, all you have to do is repeat yourself loudly? Sure doesn't seem to be working.
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elliemae says
I take that to mean you aren't going to donate. How sad. So much for putting your money where your mouth is. LOL
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RayAmerica says
Take it however you would like (you don't need my permission, but it's nice that you asked).
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How much did you donate?
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Actually, you do that all by yourself. You were born into the wealthiest nation the world has ever known; you had access to primary education, college, and graduate/professional schools; you enjoy more economic opportunity than 99.999% of the world population throughout history; and you may travel the world openly as a free man.
You throw this all away in exchange for AM talk radio propaganda and a victim mentality. It's both a shame and an embarrassment.
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Nomograph says
...and constantly attacks little ol' me. If I weren't a mature woman, I'd be hurt over his constant attacks upon me and what he perceives to be my beliefs. Instead, it's merely comical that he's unable to see how each attack endeavors to make him look boorish.
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Did I use too many big words?
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theoakman says
As a patriotic true American you must as a matter of ethical purity turn all your friends in for cheating on their taxes. Plus you will get a reward from the IRS. How do you know about this anyway? I've never had anyone in my entire life tell me they were cheating on their taxes. You must have some pretty unique friends, at least the ones who are liberals. Is it only the liberals that cheat on their taxes or is it only the liberals that tell you about it? After all everyone knows conservatives, especially politicians, never get involved in financial scandals or even, heaven forbid, sexual scandals. That type of activity is strictly reserved for immoral liberals.
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bob2356 says
Dear Bob2356:
My name is jethro (name changed to protect the guilty) and I - gasp - lied on my taxes. Maybe not lied - more like omitted the truth. An entry on my form was incorrect - which substantially changes my liability and therefore renders my tax return incorrect. I don't know what to do - as a patriotic 'merican should I turn myself in? If I do, will I receive a reward? I realize that the amount of the fraud, including penalties, interest & fees/fines etc, must be at least two million dollars - but I'm confident that the malfeasance involved will be egrigious enough to warrant a full investigation.
Line 19 on Schedule A was underreported by $600; ellie (I mean jethro) recently found the receipt but the taxes were already filed. This changes her (I mean his) tax liability by about $10 (less, not more). Elliemae was well aware that he/she was underreporting this amount (and the pup whose photo appears on the site was complicit), yet due to her/his lack of ability to maintain an adequate filling system the correct amount wasn't applied when considering her/his share of taxes used to support lazy, shiftless, welfare-abusing liberals.
My question is this, Bob2356: I intend to wear a light-colored sundress when I become a turncoat - must I wait until after Memorial Day to wear the white shoes that match it or should I go with a conservative dark non-matching color of sensible shoes?
Jethrelliemaero
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Sorry to point this out, but the dems are tax and spend; however, the republicans are borrow and spend. http://www.lafn.org/gvdc/Natl_Debt_Chart.html
just want to point out cuts in defence spending aren't dead. You could cut defence by two-thirds and we wouldn't be any less secure. It's all in the way we fight wars. Obliterate the enemy and walk away- forget about trying to get everybody to believe we're the good guys. They're just lucky we don't go after the spoils of war. Do that a few times and they'll stop fuckin' with us. Save our money and political will for a truly dangerous enemy like China.