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  1. sfbubblebuyer


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    195   1:17pm Fri 6 Apr 2007   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    I thought it was funny that they noted that the first rung of the propperty ladder had all but collapsed, but then practically screamed "YOU GOTTA JUMP FAST FOR THE NEXT RUNG OR YOU'LL BE PRICED OUT FOREVER!"

  2. lunarpark


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    196   1:17pm Fri 6 Apr 2007   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (1)  

    Fremont/Newark, no thanks. I'll just remain a JBR on the Los Altos border :)

  3. Peter P


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    197   1:40pm Fri 6 Apr 2007   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Who is Galina Casey?

  4. Peter P


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    198   1:43pm Fri 6 Apr 2007   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Is FRPT optionable?

  5. MtViewRenter


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    199   1:47pm Fri 6 Apr 2007   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)  

    DinOR says,

    I’ve really been waiting for MountainViewRenter to chime in b/c there has been one helluva stink in the securities arena this week! An e-mail was sent out Monday and said that “managed accounts” are in a state of absolute chaos.

    I haven't heard about this, actually. We don't recommend any SAMs precisely because of the lack of investment & governance oversight. There are a couple of clients that have these because these managers have been close personal friends of the clients' for many years.

    That would suck if Schwab takes it in the chin. We use them to hold a good amount of assets. Their data downloads are pretty decent, and I like our institutional service team guys. Always wondered how they made money off us though. They probably make less than $50k off our clients each year. Hardly enough for the amount of work we make them do.

    DinOR, do you know where I can find a copy of this email?

    NIA

  6. Brand165


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    200   1:47pm Fri 6 Apr 2007   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (1)  

    I’m happy as long as my rent doesn’t “skyrocket.” :)

    That's not far off, you know. As average prices hurtle skywards, landlords will start pulling their apartments and do more condo conversions. Now that the bottom has come and passed, you'd better get off the fence, amigos!

    :twisted:

  7. Brand165


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    201   1:49pm Fri 6 Apr 2007   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Hey, does anybody know how to get prior mortgage information on an REO? There's one in town that interests me, and I'd like to know which lender owns it.

  8. lunarpark


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    202   1:49pm Fri 6 Apr 2007   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    That was a quick bottom. I missed it as it whizzed by me...

  9. Randy H


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    203   1:52pm Fri 6 Apr 2007   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (1)  

    FAB

    I have the same opinion about the banality of drivel that inhabits most of MySpace. Of course, I could say the same about most of everything on the Internet. But before we congratulate ourselves for being the old Muppets up in the theater box let us not forget that MySpace is generating hundreds of millions positive net free cash flow, with a pretty impressive CAGR. Sure, not billions, but the question was whether Web 2.0 companies were generating anything. Many of them are. It is the inverse of the dot-com bubble where many were not, and only a very few were.

  10. Peter P


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    204   2:02pm Fri 6 Apr 2007   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    No. Remember, 95% of the options expire worthless.

    Exactly. Selling options can be lucrative.

    Not investment advice. Options involve risks and are not suitable for all investors.

  11. DinOR


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    205   2:04pm Fri 6 Apr 2007   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike (1)  

    MtViewRenter,

    The only e-mail I have was generated internally so it's not ready for broadcasting just yet. I've been to the NASD, SEC, NYSE AND the broker forms at Registered Rep www.rrmag.com and there's NO mention of it!

    It's not just firms of your scale. Imagine all the independents out there that clear thru Schwab and haven't used a comm. based acct. in uh FIVE years!?!

    This is where the industry gets "wrapped around the axle" from a regulatory standpoint. Charging commissions=bad. Charging pre-determined flat rate fees=bad. You could see it coming but what's the answer? I mean, I'm open.

  12. Brand165


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    206   2:07pm Fri 6 Apr 2007   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    That was a quick bottom. I missed it as it whizzed by me…

    Falling cats often hurtle past quickly. In fact, their velocity is proportional to the height from which they are dropped. Don't worry, you can still catch the bounce. Shed the shackles of your jaded, bitter rentership! Do you doomsday prophets want to watch the cat, or be the cat?

    Beeeee the cat. Nanananananana.

  13. DinOR


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    207   2:08pm Fri 6 Apr 2007   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)  

    GC,

    Now... just what k i n d of "artist" was this fellow again?

  14. Peter P


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    208   2:11pm Fri 6 Apr 2007   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)  

    I was doing some naked put selling in 2001. I lost several months worth of profit in one trade because I failed to cut loss short. (Instead, I sold more puts.)

    Back then, many stocks had triple-digit implied volatilities though.

  15. DinOR


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    209   2:15pm Fri 6 Apr 2007   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)  

    I've often thought to myself that the FIRST photograph ever taken was probably a sunset. (Photographer and assistant turn toward one another) Clicks! (Second photograph was of a nude woman). Sheesh.

  16. Peter P


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    210   2:17pm Fri 6 Apr 2007   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    So let us pray that Ag skyrockets in next few weeks.

    If you really believe in that you should have bought calls or initiated bull spreads. :)

  17. Brand165


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    211   2:20pm Fri 6 Apr 2007   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)  

    Or just plain bought silver...

  18. Peter P


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    212   2:20pm Fri 6 Apr 2007   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    How come GLD is still non-optionable? :(

  19. MtViewRenter


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    213   2:21pm Fri 6 Apr 2007   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)  

    DinOR,

    Hmm, I'll have to keep an eye out for that.

    We're actually a pretty small shop, just have a decent amount of assets. We're independent, so we don't get most of the industry buzz until it comes out in the news wires.

    You're right though, fees are evil. Commissions = churn. Flat fees = incentive to do almost nothing. Performance fees = style drift that leads to increased risk.

    Umm, here's the solution. Work for free! We should be flattered our clients decided to let us manage their hard-earned dollars. Maybe they can pay us in food & let us sleep in their spare SUVs.

  20. Peter P


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    214   2:21pm Fri 6 Apr 2007   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Or just plain bought silver…

    Options allow much higher leverage with much better risk/loss control.

  21. Peter P


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    215   2:26pm Fri 6 Apr 2007   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike  

    GC, you can always hedge your positions with ETFs and options.

    Not investment advice.

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    216   2:28pm Fri 6 Apr 2007   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)  

    MtViewRenter,

    I've managed to keep my ROA at right around .5 to 1%. It's not always easy, but it can be done. Your appraisal of the different service platforms is spot on though. One way I've found to keep the balance (and not have to sleep in a mini-van) is to discount one side of the trade when necessary.

    I wonder how firms like Ameriprise etc. will contend w/this. A lot of those guys are in their independent distribution channel and likely don't have the assets to go RIA. Have these guys really thought this through?

  23. DinOR


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    217   2:30pm Fri 6 Apr 2007   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    GC,

    My great grandfather was the photographer's assistant, o.k? How do you think I know this stuff? :)

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    218   2:36pm Fri 6 Apr 2007   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike  

    All I was really trying to do was a play on FAB's Chronicle article and Randy H's follow up. Here we have all this fantastic technology and what do we get from our ROI?

    Somehow I don't believe having "Gina and her friends in Orlando" doing shots and engaging in mock lesbian sex on MySpace is what the inventors of the internet envisioned?

  25. DinOR


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    219   2:38pm Fri 6 Apr 2007   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike  

    Bulgaria actually, but HEY guys like that know how to get around. He also invented the "groupie".

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    220   2:40pm Fri 6 Apr 2007   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike  

    Forsakencraft guy (John) did a webcast or web-based radio show and what did he get for his efforts? Death threats. The Cartel (TM) sux.

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    221   2:44pm Fri 6 Apr 2007   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)  

    http://money.cnn.com/2007/04/06/news/economy/jobs_march1/index.htm?postversion=2007040612

    as investors bet the strong numbers significantly reduced the chance that the Federal Reserve would cut interest rates later this year.

    Yamarone said that even with the unemployment rate falling and wages continuing to creep up, he doesn't believe the Fed will feel a need to raise rates at any point in 2007, and it certainly won't cut rates.

    "The inflation barometers are all exceeding their comfort zone, but they're not upending the economy," he said.

    No immediate rate cuts --yeah!!

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    222   2:49pm Fri 6 Apr 2007   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike  

    Somehow I don’t believe having “Gina and her friends in Orlando” doing shots and engaging in mock lesbian sex on MySpace is what the inventors of the internet envisioned?

    Considering that the inventors of the Internet were a bunch of nerds working government research jobs in grungy back rooms, I bet many of them are pleased with the result.

    The Net gives people a platform. Like the author of that article stated, now everyone can feel like they're the center of attention all the time.

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    223   2:51pm Fri 6 Apr 2007   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Brand Says:

    > Hey, does anybody know how to get prior mortgage
    > information on an REO? There’s one in town that
    > interests me, and I’d like to know which lender owns it.

    If the REO was recent I may still have access to the old lender information on title (I have access to three national databases). Sent me the full address (including city, state and COUNTY) and I’ll see if I show the previous loan amount.

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    224   2:56pm Fri 6 Apr 2007   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike  

    FAB: The REO address is: 415 S. Loomis, Fort Collins, CO 80521, Larimer County

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    225   3:00pm Fri 6 Apr 2007   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    I can't say for sure but without any intent he may have really ruffled some feathers. Forsaken was down in the Temecula CA area and as we've all heard it was an absolute hotbed of fraud. Something like 500 homes, thousands of investors and millions of dollars.

    All the guy wanted to do was report on his area's bubble and he gets blindsided like that. What a shame. I spoke with him on the phone and he was a real nice guy.

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    226   3:02pm Fri 6 Apr 2007   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    "The Net gives people a platform"

    From what? From which to hang themselves from?

    Peter P, I'm surprised at you, usually you're all over that stuff! :)

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    227   3:04pm Fri 6 Apr 2007   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike  

    Peter P, I’m surprised at you, usually you’re all over that stuff!

    Huh?

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    228   3:09pm Fri 6 Apr 2007   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)  

    Somehow I don’t believe having “Gina and her friends in Orlando” doing shots and engaging in mock lesbian sex on MySpace is what the inventors of the internet envisioned?

    Inventors of the Internet envisioned a big nuclear war, after which the USSR would be a communicationless anarchy and the US would be an interconnected, functioning government.

    Next the opened it up to university researchers.

    Next people started writing salacious sex murder fantasies on alt.sex.twisted

    Next AOL plugged in

    Next there were sock puppets

    Next there were people buying cartoon real estate so they could build cartoon houses in which they could have cartoon salacious sex murder fantasies to the background of streamed, pirated MP3s.

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    229   3:18pm Fri 6 Apr 2007   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Brand Says:

    FAB: The REO address is: 415 S. Loomis, Fort Collins, CO 80521, Larimer County

    415 S Loomis Ave. is owned by Greenpoint Mtg Funding Inc.

    Title records show that they took title to the 1,344 sf home (on a 9,583 sf lot) built in 1915 way back in 1994 via a Warrantee Deed with a recorded sale price of $94,000 (less than a friend just paid for his new Cayenne Turbo)…

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    230   3:19pm Fri 6 Apr 2007   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    About the link lunapark posted.

    It is indeed amazing that the RE cartel is admitting to the problems with the median. Hopefully it will be in MSM and people stop talking, "But it is still going up". The truth is plain and simple. Prices are going down.

    And hey ... a few threads back it was only myself, skibum, EBGuy and DinOR arguing about the BA market is not as strong as the median indicates. So we want to claim credit for this great insight ;-)

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    231   3:21pm Fri 6 Apr 2007   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Randy H,

    Thanks for clearing that up.

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    232   3:21pm Fri 6 Apr 2007   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike  

    theotherside

    You are assuming two things which are not always true:

    1) Mortgages optimize tax deductibility. In my case two things make this false. a) I will not ever buy with 20% down because I don't want a home that expensive. My last home had 70% equity. b) I pay AMT at the level which erodes mortgage tax shield.

    2) People always trade up at a dollar-equivalent level. Just like in (1), most people don't sell a $1,000,000 with 50% down and immediately go buy a $2,500,000 house putting all $500,000 back in. The relationship between price and personal utility is not a linear one. Most (but not all) people find that a $1,800,000 house will suit them as well as a $2,300,000 house. Also most people will reinvest most of their equity back in, not just 20% and hold back the rest.

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    233   3:23pm Fri 6 Apr 2007   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    I will not ever buy with 20% down because I don’t want a home that expensive.

    It is like gloating without gloating. Good work, Randy!

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    234   3:32pm Fri 6 Apr 2007   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)  

    Thanks, FAB. Hmm. And they're putting it back on the market at $188K? Zillow shows the sale you mentioned on 10/01/1994: $94,800, but then a second SOLD 12/15/2006: $197,696.

    Would the second sale be the foreclosure? I guess maybe the owners could have HELOC'ed their poor vintage bungalow into the dirt. Normally REO takes a while to come back on the market, so it would be consistent that Greenpoint foreclosed in December and is offering in April. I doubt somebody could have bought it and gone into default that fast.

    From the Greenpoint web site:

    GreenPoint Mortgage, a national mortgage banking company headquartered in Novato, California, is a leading national lender in residential mortgages, specializing in no-documentation and "Alternative A" mortgage loans. GreenPoint Mortgage is a subsidiary of Capital One Financial Corporation.

    Ask me if I'm shedding a tear for a no-doc, Alt-A lender taking one back. Especially since they are a subsidiary of a big company that should know better, who is holding the toxic stuff at arm's length...

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