WatchHaving studied in Austria and Germany for a year each during college, and taken classes in Nazi literature, I was horrified that we got an agency named "Homeland Security" after 9/11.
Homeland is exactly analogous to the German word Heimat, lovingly used by the Nazis over and over. It's brutally simple, and implies simple violent behavior and suppression of critical thought. (Critical thought means looking for mistaks in what people are telling you.)
Homeland is also analogous to the Islamic term for the Islamic world, "Dar al Islam", which also inspires simple violent behavior and suppression of critical thought. I suppose it makes sense that our Homeland Security department was created in response to an Islamic attack.
The correct English term for internal matters is "domestic", but since that word is of French origin, it seems foreign and a bit too well-educated to our domestic Nazis.
Terminology is important, because it carries spin. By making you use Nazi terminology to even talk about a large part of our government, you've been forced to accept fascism in a way.
Of course if most Americans actually are Nazis, I should shut up about all this.
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Dictating by the sword is stuff of ancient history.
I don't think the remaining regime Dictatorships will survive another decade.
That's not to say history has seen the last of Dictatorships.
Really though if you think about what is a dictatorship really is, we're not operating as a Democratic country making free will decisions on our own accord?
Dictatorships is controlling the population, through manufacturing and controlling information.
We're being controlled by the Media, sometimes when you look at Obama's composure and expressions these days. Right when or after he's lying to the American people or disappointing them once again with excuses or playing the blame shell game, I catch this glimpse of an idealist. That just minutes before was full of excitement, making outlandish claims that he's going to change the world and make poor people rich. Then right in the middle of his dialogue somewhere. A powerful Illuminati member grabs him by his shirt and pulls him in and slaps both sides of his face, tells him to stop going on like a school bitch, listen up! then tells him what he's going to go out there and tell the American people.
Would you really be surprised at this point?
I know it would explain a lot for most Democrats that voted for him, but it wouldn't surprise me one damn bit.
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I agree with you that the word Homeland is not a good description and I have had this same conversation with friends. That word conjures up visions of Germany's Motherland and Homeland. The other phrase that appeared after 9/11 that I believe is inaccurate is the "War on Terror"........what is that? It sounds like a war on a noun. The US likes using the word war to describe an attack on something. I don't know if it's coincidence, but most of the "Wars" I can think of had dubious results at best........The War on Drugs; War on Poverty; War on Terror.
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Here's a thread on the same topic:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1434508
One person commented that before Bush/ Cheney we did in fact use the term domestic security. I vaguely remember that.
It's weird. IT never really hit me consciously, and I think it may be a somewhat innocent mistake ( or not ). Still it is an interesting observation. I don't know to what degree getting people excited about securing their Homeland makes people less likely to question where that takes us, but I think you're right that there is something subtle there.
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I've always cringed in my very marrow whenever I've heard the terms Homeland and Security used together to describe a governmental department that operates basically the same way that the Gestapo worked for the Nazis. Combine that with Arizona's new law that conjures images of Nazi Polizei demanding to Jews on the street, "Papieren Bitte!" (Papers please") and suddenly my Jewish soul trembles with wretched disgust.
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Homeland is Nazi term. Mainland is Chinese term. First class citizen is what? Imperial Japan? All those terminology are quite eccentic, putting their own in front of others. I don't know most of us are Nazis, but certainly we're not inteligent or deligent enough to think about it. Or is it just me? LOL.
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Patrick, I was thinking exactly the same as you when the Department of Homeland Security was formed.
I kept waiting for a political cartoon depicting a building with the sign "Department of Vaterland Security". It never came. Nary a joke was cracked.
Frightening it is how quickly people forget, and how little history they learn.
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I agree, I always found it distubing. Even more ignorant was Bush's use of the word, "crusade" to describe the aforementioned War on Terror. I was appalled. And I don't believe it's use was accidental.
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Yes, the word "crusade" was a horrible term to use by any world leader. All that does in the Middle East is conjure up memories of Knights from Europe sacking, raping, and pillaging the Levant. It smacks of the West's Imperialist attitudes toward the Middle East reminding Middle Eastern residents that they are still suffering from the effects of Western Colonialism.
It also brings it to the level of a religious war or "Holy War." The Muslims say, "Jihad." Historically Christians used the word, "Crusade," to mean the same thing. Bush was just stoking the flames of religious war.
GWB and his administration that was actually secretly led by Cheney (who just won't die because he is Master of the Dark Side of the Force and has mastered immortality) screwed up international relations to the extent that it brought the West back to the Middle Ages and created even more distrust of our country abroad.
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Hitler used the term "New Order" repeatedly, but not as much as Bush 41 using "New World Order." As far as Bush Jr. using the word "crusade," I sincerely doubt he even knew what it meant.
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And yet you still voted for him. Twice.
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well, if you're talking about terms and not intentions this will be of some use:
http://www.newspeakdictionary.com/ns-dict.html
and if you're interested in an examination of the similarities of the changes to the terminologies etc of Nazi Germany and the Bush & now Obama era here's a book for you:
http://www.amazon.com/End-America-Letter-Warning-Patriot/dp/1933392797
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You guys watched too many Hollywood flicks and have been brainwashed...
Homeland and Motherland are currently used by all nations as is/was Kingdom by their people.
It is a common term both in European, Asian, and African nations. It is a term of heritage.
Domestic is clearly wrong since this is a global effort by many nations, from the west and east.
We are all being terrorized by extreme Islamic groups both domestic and international. So the
term Crusade fits well. If it fills fear in some who are in the terrorist camp, so be it.
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I actually don't mind the term crusade, since the implications in English are not what the Muslims perceive them to be. In English, Crusade implies vigorous united action for some cause. Sure, it was specifically Christian to begin with, and bad things were done during crusades in the middle ages, but the idea of unified action for a noble cause is not bad in itself.
The word "homeland" is something new in America, with no history to give it any context or implications other than Nazi Germany. It just has an evil aura about it.
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Patrick says
For those immigrants who settled the West, and started the new generations of Americans, Homeland ment their original place of birth and heritage. They may have been Irish, German, Italian, and Chinese. The term "homeland' was etched into their DNA, but may have been lost it over a century with their offspring. You may find some of the old timers use "old country" today in reference to their "Homeland". Talk to an immigrant and you will find a different meaning. In that context, to fight and defend your "homeland", your country and heritage is justifable use.
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In the movie Braveheart, if the writters used the term "Homeland" instead of "Scotland" would that make a difference? As often in history it is a battle cry to unite various factions to a common cause, our land, heritage, god when it becomes in danger.
You my be thinking of "Fatherland"... but many other nations did as well long before Nazi Germany. Look at the list.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatherland#Groups_that_refer_to_their_native_country_as_a_.22fatherland.22
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and its thomas... I was wondering if it was going to be you or RayAmerica who would respond to that first...
thomas, find me a place in the US terminologies where 'homeland' has been applied in such a way, in a gov dept prior to the recent use. There isn't one. Whatever the term may mean to you personally its not what the discussion and point Patrick was making and its disingenuous of you to start twisting it to support some point you want to make this into.
I read patrick's post as a comment on the nomenclature only of the dept and its historical precedence (and lack thereof in Norht America). It wasn't taking things into the political realm or the need or whatever for such a thing to exist, so really its not necessary to go there. But then thats what you guys do, you skip around the issues at hand and try to draw parallels and relations where none really exist as a support for your own personal leanings... I get it.
So regarding the naming of the dept, patrick is correct, such a thing has never existed in the US before and its direct historical precedence is to what depts and etc existend in nazi Gemrnay before and during the war.
> We are all being terrorized by extreme Islamic groups
yes, of course its true, we are all threatened by a great and powerful global network of super killers who rise nightly from their villages, where they have little food and water and often little electricity but they have weapons! and they have the arcane knowledge to use them, to run rings around the multi-billion dollar military effort with hundreds of thousands of soliders & support personelle & mercenary contractors, who incidentally are very nice people all of them and who really have nothing but the really really best intentions for all those people - who actually in addition to being super killers in sleeper cells waiting for the chance to strike! are also much like children in many ways and need our help and guidance, to manage their oil etc for example - but rise they do, vampire-like, with one thought and one thought only: to harm us, in our comfortable and kind and happy lives of which they are so jealous...
Anyway, just go find and read Naomi Campbell's book... she explores the links and realtions pretty thouroghly... and I do get the feeling from your posts that you probably read too much news and too little lit or sociology so it would be a good thing for you to read...
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If you havent figured it out, you been brained washed with left wing Politically Correct nonsense.
Funny times we live in:
Daddy, did you have an Ipod when you were young?
No! Daddy had vinyl records .. it was big black, round and its edges were so sharp it can cut your finger...
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Putting the Czar into title has bothered me. Why can’t they just use director or something, I don’t understand the deal with these titles that would have never even been considered 20 years ago. What’s next dictator of drugs, king of homeland security.
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rpanic01 says
They do. Czar is media generated term. Actual titles are your typical director, advisor, counselor.. etc etc.
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meh. Obama could have changed it. Its patriotic, not fascist. imo
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It's time to resurrect this thread, now that permanent imprisonment of US citizens without trial is legal.
Consitution is suspended during wartime, but now we have eternal wartime, and the 1% are very grateful.
Next to go: freedom of speech, via instant and non-contestable website shutdowns once the SOPA bill becomes law.
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While we're at it, let's change the Department of Defense back to the Department of War, it's original title.
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Yes, that would be much more honest.
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How about: no department of homeland security at all? Just beef up the FBI and let them loose.
The reason domestic is not as good as homeland is that there are more connotations for "domestic" but "homeland" has only one meaning.
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I don't see it. What connotations does "domestic" have that "homeland" does not?
"Homeland" has the very nasty connotations of fascism, and "us vs them".
But I agree, we already have the FBI for this sort of thing. The creation of "Homeland Security" was just another step towards a police state.