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Food Stamp Nation

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“The lessons of history … show conclusively that continued dependence upon relief induces a spiritual and moral disintegration fundamentally destructive to the national fiber. To dole out relief in this way is to administer a narcotic, a subtle destroyer of the human spirit."

"These searing words about Depression-era welfare are from Franklin Roosevelt’s 1935 State of the Union Address. FDR feared this self-reliant people might come to depend permanently upon government for the necessities of their daily lives. Like narcotics, such a dependency would destroy the fiber and spirit of the nation..."

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1. American in Japan Follow Befriend (28) 149 threads 1,398 comments

   226   11:09pm Thu 31 Mar 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   @Vicente >That’s why all these freeloaders must be people who have spanky new jobs who are defrauding the government just to get some cheese and butter. LOL! (I think).

2. RayAmerica Follow Befriend (9) 120 threads 2,591 comments Burbank, CA

   227   11:14am Thu 5 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Whatever happened to the "recovery?" This just in: 1 in 7 Americans are now receiving food stamps! http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2011/05/03/about-1-in-7-americans-receive-food-stamps/

3. RayAmerica Follow Befriend (9) 120 threads 2,591 comments Burbank, CA

   228   11:16am Thu 5 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   More good news for the Obama Recovery Team: new jobless claims highest in 8 months. Go Team!! http://finance.yahoo.com/news/New-jobless-claims-jump-to-rb-1852891451.html?x=0&.v=1

4. Vicente Follow Befriend (8) 203 threads 4,403 comments Davis, CA

   229   6:41pm Thu 5 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)   thunderlips11 says Doughnuts, Porn and Paper are the key to the New Era of Prosperity. +1

5. FortWayne Follow Befriend (13) 102 threads 3,759 comments

   230   6:47pm Thu 5 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703859304576304823992479068.html?mod=WSJ_WSJ_US_News_5 - unemployment going up too. We as a nation let government run our lives for us just too much. Maybe it did sound like a great social experiment at some point, today it is evident that giving up control of our future to some lazy unmotivated government bums was not the right answer. We need to really pull the plug on the big brother.

6. iwog Follow Befriend (48) 272 threads 12,446 comments 47 male Lafayette, CA Premium

   231   10:51am Sat 7 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   shrekgrinch says Only to someone as clearly arrogant as you would even think that. What damn business is it any of yours someone else’s financial situation, eh? It’s none. And it certainly isn’t your money to decide how it should be spent, either. In shrek's world, if someone owns a piece of property that water flows through, and that person decides to dam the river and destroy every farm downstream, it's perfectly within his right to do so. After all, what damn business is it of anyone else's what he does with his river????? There's only one winner in a Monopoly game. History teaches that this person is often beheaded and his wealth redistributed whether he wants it or not.

7. RayAmerica Follow Befriend (9) 120 threads 2,591 comments Burbank, CA

   232   11:06am Sat 7 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (1)   ChrisLA says We need to really pull the plug on the big brother. Chris ... you are 100% correct. The Beast needs to be starved and the only way to do it is to cut their access to increased revenues.

8. FortWayne Follow Befriend (13) 102 threads 3,759 comments

   233   11:40am Sat 7 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   RayAmerica says iwog says Damn right! Let em starve. We can’t have children getting addicted to food. Pure hyperbole. You miss the point entirely …. again. At least you are consistent. I noticed too that you didn’t bother commenting at all on what your political idol/icon FDR had to say on the subject. I can’t understand why that might be. LOL You are missing Iwogs argument style. It involves stating an extreme position for whoever you are arguing against, followed by disproving that extreme as dumb because extremes are usually wrong. Might fall under a form of a straw man argument. Iwog uses those very extensively.

9. iwog Follow Befriend (48) 272 threads 12,446 comments 47 male Lafayette, CA Premium

   234   12:26pm Sat 7 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   Protected   ChrisLA says You are missing Iwogs argument style. It involves stating an extreme position for whoever you are arguing against, followed by disproving that extreme as dumb because extremes are usually wrong. Might fall under a form of a straw man argument. Iwog uses those very extensively. I think it's funny that neocons keep bringing up the Great Depression, when those same people advocate every single political policy that cause the Great Depression in the first place. So you don't like the government giving away food eh? Okay lets let poor people have some land so they can grow their own food. Don't like that either huh? Okay lets make sure poor people can earn a minimum wage to allow them food, shelter and clothing. Oh you hate that idea too? And it goes on and on and on. When you get to the core of neoconservative right wing beliefs, they are incompatible with life itself.

10. tatupu70 Follow Befriend (3) 15 threads 5,606 comments

    235   1:24pm Sat 7 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   RayAmerica says ChrisLA says We need to really pull the plug on the big brother. Chris … you are 100% correct. The Beast needs to be starved and the only way to do it is to cut their access to increased revenues. I really don't understand this thinking. We spend much more than we take in now, right? And have been for many, many years. On what planet is it logical to think that if we took in less revenue, all of the sudden we'd balance the budget?

11. RayAmerica Follow Befriend (9) 120 threads 2,591 comments Burbank, CA

    236   2:04pm Sat 7 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   tatupu70 says On what planet is it logical to think that if we took in less revenue, all of the sudden we’d balance the budget? Why would you continue to give free happy meals to a 500 pounder that needs to lose weight?

12. tatupu70 Follow Befriend (3) 15 threads 5,606 comments

    237   3:42pm Sat 7 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   RayAmerica says tatupu70 says On what planet is it logical to think that if we took in less revenue, all of the sudden we’d balance the budget? Why would you continue to give free happy meals to a 500 pounder that needs to lose weight? You completely miss the point. We spend much more than we get in now. What makes you think we would stop spending more than we get if we get less?

13. marcus Follow Befriend (5) 166 threads 5,053 comments

    238   3:49pm Sat 7 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   tatupu70 says RayAmerica says ChrisLA says We need to really pull the plug on the big brother. Chris … you are 100% correct. The Beast needs to be starved and the only way to do it is to cut their access to increased revenues. I really don’t understand this thinking. We spend much more than we take in now, right? And have been for many, many years. On what planet is it logical to think that if we took in less revenue, all of the sudden we’d balance the budget? Far more logical to make the rich who influence policies and spending the most pay extremely progressive taxes to fund the spending they want. Then just watch how good of a job they do figuring out what to cut. Yeah, starve the beast has worked out real well. It's what is leading to fascism, because now with a choice between maintaining the momentum behind the military industrial complex and basic necessities for the people, democracy might have to die.

14. HousingWatcher Follow Befriend 285 threads 1,760 comments

    239   4:42pm Sat 7 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   So what programs should we cut? Be specific. Anyone who says we need to cut spending but won't name specific programs to cut is a clown and should not be taken seriously.

15. RayAmerica Follow Befriend (9) 120 threads 2,591 comments Burbank, CA

    240   5:18pm Sat 7 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   HousingWatcher says So what programs should we cut? Be specific. As I've said before (this is really getting kind of boring): I believe you have, or at least others have, asked me this question in a variety of ways before. As I have stated before, I strongly believe we need to cleanse the economy of a lot of wrongheaded policies that have led us, over several decades (if not longer) to this mess that we find ourselves in. If I were King: End the colonialism that has become U.S. foreign policy, especially in the Middle East. End our “Israel or nothing” approach to the region. Close down the vast majority of armed forces bases (currently over 700) throughout the world and bring home the troops. End both involvements in Iraq and Afghanistan (and now Libya). Drastically cut military spending, including a dramatic reduction in the size of our Navy. Drastically cut government programs across the board. Eliminate entirely the Department of Education. End virtually all welfare for able bodied recipients. If they are going to be on the public dole, they’ll have to perform some type of public service to earn it, even if that means cleaning parks, streets, etc. Do whatever is necessary to balance the budget and begin to reduce the debt. Immediately end ALL earmarks connected to legislation. Drastically reduce foreign aid. Bring government salaries more in line with the private sector. Enforce all illegal immigration laws, particularly when it comes to employers. Illegal immigrants that are taking jobs from American citizens must stop. Work to end the “anchor baby” laws that currently exist. Secure the border, in particular the southern border with Mexico. By becoming less dependent on foreign loans in which to operate our government, we will be able to effectively negotiate trade policies that are fair and balanced. Develop an energy policy with long term goals, especially alternative fuels, along with a vast expansion of nuclear energy plants. Reinstate the Glass Stegal Act. End all bailouts with taxpayers’ money to banks, Wall Street, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, etc. Allow the housing market to cleanse itself via natural market forces without government support or intervention. Cut taxes (along with capital gains, estate taxes, etc.) commensurate with the cuts in the size of government spending AFTER the budget is balanced and the national debt is vastly reduced.That’s just off the top of my head … http://patrick.net/forum/?p=534025

16. HousingWatcher Follow Befriend 285 threads 1,760 comments

    241   5:26pm Sat 7 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   I'm confused Ray. So you want to drastically cut spending to balance the budget, and then you want to run a deficit by cutting taxes. So there goes all the money you save by slashing military spending. How much would you cut taxes by? What amount?

17. RayAmerica Follow Befriend (9) 120 threads 2,591 comments Burbank, CA

    242   5:36pm Sat 7 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   HousingWatcher says I’m confused Ray. You are confused. Your solution is to continue along the same course that we are on now; increased size of government, fueled by higher taxes (eventually), more borrowing, more printing of paper money, etc., etc. My proposal is that this has to stop. I find it interesting that you conveniently took my "cutting taxes" statement out of context: RayAmerica says Cut taxes (along with capital gains, estate taxes, etc.) commensurate with the cuts in the size of government spending AFTER the budget is balanced and the national debt is vastly reduced. It's very interesting you missed the word in block letters: "AFTER" ... the budget is balanced and the national debt is vastly reduced." This translates into (please read very slow ... one word at a time) keeping the current tax rates. Get it?

18. iwog Follow Befriend (48) 272 threads 12,446 comments 47 male Lafayette, CA Premium

    243   5:53pm Sat 7 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Protected   THAT DOESN'T BALANCE THE FUCKING BUDGET RAY! This is EXACTLY the probelm with people like you. You have absolutely NO IDEA what money is being spent on and you refuse to learn. The ENTIRE Diplomacy and foreign aid budget for 2010, and this is down to the last miserable penny, is $58 billion dollars. This includes the ENTIRE state department budget, international drug enforcement, the administration of international health services, the peace corps, anti-terrorism funding, and a million other things that you never even thought of: http://www.stimson.org/images/uploads/FY2011_State_and_Foreign_Assistance_Budget.pdf The ENTIRE Department of education budget is $98 billion http://www2.ed.gov/about/overview/budget/budget10/summary/edlite-section1.html All your welfare is $133 billion: http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/budget_current_gs.php?year=2009_2014&view=1&expand=4047&expandC=&units=b&fy=fy10 Total pork spending is only $16.5 billion. http://www.dailyfinance.com/2010/04/15/less-taxpayer-money-goes-to-pork-in-2010/ Bailouts and stimulus effectively ended in 2009 and are not part of the 2010 budget. Neither is Obamacare. Your specific recommendations, which are radical and eliminate entire government offices including a support system which I guarantee will put people on the streets, increase crime, and reduce productivity, would provide a savings of about $300 billion. Assuming you'd make incredibily huge cuts in national defense, you MIGHT be able to add another $200 billion to that number. Ray's extremely radical and unworkable (we actually do need diplomacy) "solution" to the massive budet deficit would turn a $1.5 trillion deficit into a $1 trillion deficit........and Ray wants tax cuts on top of that. This is not a solution. This is an accurate and well documented example of why neoconservatives will destroy the country. They don't even understand the question let alone the answer, and are unwilling to discuss actual solutions. All they stand for is empty posturing.

19. HousingWatcher Follow Befriend 285 threads 1,760 comments

    244   5:57pm Sat 7 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   But Ray, what you propose doing is working hard and cutting spending in order to pay off the balance on your Mastercard. Then, when the Mastercard balance is paid off, you want to take your Visa card and go on a shopping spree.

20. HousingWatcher Follow Befriend 285 threads 1,760 comments

    245   6:01pm Sat 7 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Why is it so imporatant to cut the estate tax? Were talking about a tax that 99% of Americans will never pay. For all intensive purposes, the estate tax does not exist.

21. iwog Follow Befriend (48) 272 threads 12,446 comments 47 male Lafayette, CA Premium

    246   6:02pm Sat 7 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   HousingWatcher says Why is it so imporatant to cut the estate tax? Were talking about a tax that 99% of Americans will never pay. Are you kidding? Dead billionaires need that money!

22. HousingWatcher Follow Befriend 285 threads 1,760 comments

    247   6:04pm Sat 7 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   According to the American Bar Association, 0.5% of Americans will pay the estate tax in 2011. That's right, one half of 1%: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/18/your-money/taxes/18wealth.html

23. RayAmerica Follow Befriend (9) 120 threads 2,591 comments Burbank, CA

    248   6:10pm Sat 7 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   iwog says Ray’s extremely radical and unworkable (we actually do need diplomacy) “solution” to the massive budet deficit would turn a $1.5 trillion deficit into a $1 trillion deficit……..and Ray wants tax cuts on top of that. Typical lies from a liar. This is what I actually said: RayAmerica says Cut taxes (along with capital gains, estate taxes, etc.) commensurate with the cuts in the size of government spending AFTER the budget is balanced and the national debt is vastly reduced.

24. HousingWatcher Follow Befriend 285 threads 1,760 comments

    249   7:38pm Sat 7 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Why do you support cutting the estate tax Ray? What is it about the tax you don't like? Do you have super wealthy parents or grandparents you plan on getting money from?

25. iwog Follow Befriend (48) 272 threads 12,446 comments 47 male Lafayette, CA Premium

    250   8:08am Sun 8 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   RayAmerica says Typical lies from a liar. This is what I actually said: RayAmerica says Cut taxes (along with capital gains, estate taxes, etc.) commensurate with the cuts in the size of government spending AFTER the budget is balanced and the national debt is vastly reduced. You still don't have a clue, do you. There isn't going to be an "AFTER the budget is balanced" because even if you got EVERYTHING you wanted, you STILL have a $1 trillion deficit that gets bigger every year because of the expanding baby boomer generation! And BTW you shouldn't use the liar word when I'm telling the truth. Whether or not the budget gets balanced, you actually DO want tax cuts. Making them conditional doesn't change that fact.

26. RayAmerica Follow Befriend (9) 120 threads 2,591 comments Burbank, CA

    251   9:15am Sun 8 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   HousingWatcher says Why do you support cutting the estate tax Ray? Why should the government have a claim on your estate when you die? What has accumulated in an estate (for the most part) has already been taxed. Why do liberals love taxation so much? What exactly is it?

27. RayAmerica Follow Befriend (9) 120 threads 2,591 comments Burbank, CA

    252   9:21am Sun 8 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   iwog says You still don’t have a clue, do you. There isn’t going to be an “AFTER the budget is balanced” because even if you got EVERYTHING you wanted, you STILL have a $1 trillion deficit that gets bigger every year because of the expanding baby boomer generation! Just as it took years of deficit spending in order to reach the levels in the national debt we are at now, it will take years to incrementally reduce it via numerous annual surpluses.

28. iwog Follow Befriend (48) 272 threads 12,446 comments 47 male Lafayette, CA Premium

    253   9:43am Sun 8 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   RayAmerica says Just as it took years of deficit spending in order to reach the levels in the national debt we are at now, it will take years to incrementally reduce it via numerous annual surpluses. Holy crap Ray, I can't believe you are this dense. It reminds me of the old joke where a guy loses $10 on the sale of every vacuum cleaner, but assures investors that he'll make it up on volume. Your plan doesn't get any annual surpluses. Your plan guarantees a DEFICIT of $1 trillion the first year and even more every subsequent year as the baby boomer generations retires. I broke down your budget and proved it. Why not turn off Fox noise and actually read it for a change?

29. iwog Follow Befriend (48) 272 threads 12,446 comments 47 male Lafayette, CA Premium

    254   9:45am Sun 8 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)   Protected   RayAmerica says Why should the government have a claim on your estate when you die? What has accumulated in an estate (for the most part) has already been taxed. Why do liberals love taxation so much? What exactly is it? Congratulations Ray, you've just advocated an entrenched monarchy that controls all the wealth and keeps it within the family for generations. You're not much of a patriot, are you. Did you forget what we did in 1776?

30. RayAmerica Follow Befriend (9) 120 threads 2,591 comments Burbank, CA

    255   10:00am Sun 8 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   iwog says Did you forget what we did in 1776? I assume by the use of “what we did in 1776” you are referring to your ancestors. No doubt they were Loyalists that, like you, favored the King's tax policies. Question: how is your personal “Redistribution of Wealth” going? I mean, have you given away your excessive capitalistic rental properties yet in order to help the homeless, or are you still making money off of the backs of the poor, non-owners of property working class?

31. RayAmerica Follow Befriend (9) 120 threads 2,591 comments Burbank, CA

    256   10:07am Sun 8 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   iwog says Your plan doesn’t get any annual surpluses. Your plan guarantees a DEFICIT of $1 trillion the first year and even more every subsequent year as the baby boomer generations retires. I broke down your budget and proved it. Why not turn off Fox noise and actually read it for a change? The goal is to reduce the deficit by massive spending cuts. Your goal is to raise taxes in order to give more money to the same government that has proven beyond all doubt that they have an addiction to spending more than annual tax revenues. Politicians in D.C. laugh at such nonsense because it enables them to continue their theft of the peoples' money in order to finance their expansion of power over the people.

32. tatupu70 Follow Befriend (3) 15 threads 5,606 comments

    257   10:43am Sun 8 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   RayAmerica says The goal is to reduce the deficit by massive spending cuts Fine. You're 1/3 of the way there with your plan. What's your plan to get the other 2/3?

33. HousingWatcher Follow Befriend 285 threads 1,760 comments

    258   12:24pm Sun 8 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   "The goal is to reduce the deficit by massive spending cuts." If that is the goal, then you have failed miserably. First off, foreign aid and earmarks make up about 1% of the budget. Way too small to have an impact. You also said to end the bailouts, but those already ended last year. You can't balance the budget by cutting phantom spending. FYI: You could cut ALL domestic spending to ZERO and you would still have a $1 trillion deficit. Not to mention that Social Security and Medicare have about $100 Trillion in unfunded liabilities. That's right, $100 trillion. And you honestly think your going to make a difference by cutting earmarks and the Dept. of Education?

34. HousingWatcher Follow Befriend 285 threads 1,760 comments

    259   12:30pm Sun 8 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   In Ray's conservative utopia, we will get things like this: Florida Senate approves business tax cut that shrinks unemployment benefits Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/05/03/2199530/florida-senate-approves-business.html#ixzz1Ln6TXE2u Apparently Ray supports wealth re-distribution just like liberal Democrats do, except that he wants wealth re-distribution in the opposite direction... from the bottom to the top.

35. HousingWatcher Follow Befriend 285 threads 1,760 comments

    260   12:50pm Sun 8 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Liberals beleive in raising taxes. Conservatives beleive in cutting spending. But there is a 3rd way to reduce the deficit, which is the way the Fed believes in: Substantially devaluating the dollar. We could pay off our debt in useless dollars worth 75% less than the dollar is currently worth.

36. ¥ Follow Befriend 35 threads 5,700 comments Bellingham, WA

    261   1:59pm Sun 8 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   HousingWatcher says But there is a 3rd way to reduce the deficit Nope. 1970s-style inflation would stiff our debt-holders, but do nothing for the deficit. Plus if our bond rates start going up due to inflationary feedback, we've got to pay interest on $10T+ of debt (plus another $4T+ held in trust) and much of our debt is pretty short-term and thus we're vulnerable to interest rate shocks. Going forward our dominant expenses are going to be feeding our war machine ($1T/yr), Welfare State ($1T/yr), retirees ($1T/yr) and Medicare ($1T/yr). Can't inflate our way out of those -- gonna have to raise taxes.

37. ¥ Follow Befriend 35 threads 5,700 comments Bellingham, WA

    262   2:46pm Sun 8 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   HousingWatcher says Apparently Ray supports wealth re-distribution just like liberal Democrats do, except that he wants wealth re-distribution in the opposite direction… from the bottom to the top. TBH, neither the dems nor the republicans really understand anything. We might as well call them Blue Team and Red Team for all the real-world signficance they have. The Red Team rightfully fears that the US will make the mistakes of Greece, Spain, and the other socialist economies of Southern Europe. These economies over-promised benefits to all and under-taxed to provide it, and now all of them are screwed. What the Red Team steadfastly eliminate from their understanding, though, is that there is a Northern Europe tier of states that actually did establish this high-tax / high-service economy, and these demonstrably work well. The bottom line, of course, is that if you're rich you want to keep your loot and not actually pay the progressive tax burden that the rich of the Nordic countries shoulder. So they argue for cutting back the socialism we have now, to defend their own economic interests. Technically, we could actually raise taxes on everyone, not just the rich like the Blue Team wants -- "widening the base" as it were. What would happen over time, I think, is all these extra taxes would just come out of rents and land values, which is why I'm a tax proponent. Raise payroll taxes to FULLY cover people's health and pensions, like they do up in Communist Canada. Raise taxes across the board to pay for the national security state (the top 20% of this country make over half of the income, so they'll be on the hook for most of it anyway). I think we'd see rents and home price fall dollar for dollar. Win win!

38. FunTime Follow Befriend (3) 38 threads 800 comments San Francisco, CA

    263   3:56pm Sun 8 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   Well, in honor of Mother's Day, I'll share my story. I realize this is adecdotal and maybe some of the suggestions in this thread that statistics show welfare doesn't work might be connected to information with which I'd agree. Still, I was born to a teenage mother who, at the time, was a waitress at Pizza Hut. After a divorce with my father, she struggled. Her struggles resulted in a personal bankruptcy even though by that point she'd worked her way up to a supervisor position at a bank. She moved my sister and me to a small town where she began to waitress at a truck stop. I've not asked about many of the details, but now that I know how people sometimes struggle through their twenties, especially as a single parent, I figure she was just finding the weight of her responsibilities difficult. Around this time, I remember our family beginning to use food stamps. We ate very simply. My mom developed strong habits around using coupons and buying sales. From what I remember, we only used food stamps for a short time as my mother once again worked into a job as an assistant to a small CPA firm. Her example and responsibility eventually(there's much more to the story), led to me being the first in my immediate family to start and finish a Bachelor's Degree after high school. My sister would do the same. My mom and dad also both went back to school and got Bachelor Degrees. Now I realize it might take someone like my mom, to whom, of course, I think few compare, but just wanted to relate a success story for welfare as they don't often come up in discussions like this one. HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY!

39. American in Japan Follow Befriend (28) 149 threads 1,398 comments

    264   7:38am Mon 9 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   >Raise payroll taxes to FULLY cover people’s health and pensions, like they do up in *Communist Canada*. LoL! I know many Americans think like this...

40. zzyzzx Follow Befriend (9) 410 threads 4,107 comments Baltimore, MD

    265   7:42am Mon 9 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   iwog says Damn right! Let em starve. We can’t have children getting addicted to food. Too late! You gonna eat that?

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