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Phase 2 of the Real Bailout™ is here


By HARM   Follow   Wed, 27 Feb 2008, 10:33am   5,505 views   273 comments
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Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Portfolio Caps Will Be Lifted (Update2)

Phase 1 : Congress raised the GSE (Fannie and Freddie) conforming loan limit from $417,000 to $729,000.

Phase 2 : Congress instructs the OFHEO to lift portfolio caps on the GSEs (which were placed there because of GSE "accounting irregularities" and concerns about the GSE's size/share of market).

Next up...

Phase 3 : Eliminating all qualifying “standards” on the type of mortagages the GSEs can buy: allowing no-docs/NINJAs, neg-ams, I/Os, option ARMs and assorted hybrids.

Phase 4 : Congress making implicit GSE guarantees explicit, and taxpayers assuming/liquidating the portfolios of the soon-to-be bankrupt GSEs (RTC, part II)

Can’t happen, you say? Never say “never” where a bought-off "Socialize all losses" Con-gress and whining, clueless, bleating "why me?" sheeple are concerned.

HARM

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  1. DennisN


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    234   8:32am Thu 28 Feb 2008   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    THE WIND AND THE LION. It shows Theodore Roosevelt the way he should have been (it adds some Hollywood touches).

    Heck I'm a typical social-graceless tech guy too. Degrees in physics and applied math, worked as a circuit designer then later systems engineer before going off to the "soft geek" world of law school.

  2. DennisN


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    235   8:34am Thu 28 Feb 2008   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    We need that double-layered fence built ASAP.

    Wouldn't a simple anti-personel mine field be a much cheaper and more effective barrier? You can't get over those with either a ladder or a coyote.

  3. Peter P


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    236   8:35am Thu 28 Feb 2008   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Protected  

    fascism and Nazism are left-wing phenomina

    Of course. I thought individual freedom (with attached responsibilities) is a "right wing" concept.

  4. Peter P


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    237   8:36am Thu 28 Feb 2008   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected  

    Wouldn’t a simple anti-personel mine field be a much cheaper and more effective barrier?

    Then we will need a double-layered fence to keep people from the mine field. ;)

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    238   8:37am Thu 28 Feb 2008   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike  

    Only on this blog....

    What happens when a disgruntled guest does an upper-decker into your gold bullion stash?

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    239   8:39am Thu 28 Feb 2008   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike  

    DennisN Says:
    February 28th, 2008 at 8:34 am
    "Wouldn’t a simple anti-personel mine field be a much cheaper and more effective barrier? You can’t get over those with either a ladder or a coyote."

    Border security is a political problem meaning the goal isn't to actually make the border secure, it is to continuously talk about it and look like you are going to make it secure. You go and put a minefield there, you'll actually make the border secure and then what, nothing left to talk about.

  7. Peter P


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    240   8:39am Thu 28 Feb 2008   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   Protected  

    What happens when a disgruntled guest does an upper-decker into your gold bullion stash?

    It is still golden.

  8. Malcolm


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    241   8:41am Thu 28 Feb 2008   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)  

    Peter P Says:
    February 28th, 2008 at 8:36 am
    "Then we will need a double-layered fence to keep people from the mine field. "

    The American corporate solution would be a warning label.

  9. Malcolm


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    242   8:41am Thu 28 Feb 2008   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    On the mines that is.

  10. DinOR


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    243   8:42am Thu 28 Feb 2008   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected  

    "the less gold you have left over" LOL!

    (Why do I always miss the Great Gold Debates?) Must be past my bedtime?

    Great article in the "O" yesterday about "the real gold"! There's a lot of biblical references but Norway has opened a "doomsday vault" deep within an Arctic mountain where millions of crop seeds will be stored to safeguard against wars or natural disasters wiping out global food crops!

    Really interesting stuff. I gues the P.I had one but (as you likely guessed)... it flooded during a typhoon.

    www.croptrust.org

    www.seedvault.no

    God help us.

  11. Malcolm


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    244   8:43am Thu 28 Feb 2008   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    I saw a show about that. It was very interesting.

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    245   8:48am Thu 28 Feb 2008   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Protected  

    Crop Diversity NOW Man!

    All crops were created equal!

    No seriously, I'm glad there's someone, somewhere in a think tank conjuring this stuff up. (I sure never would have thought of it?) I guess in that environment they say the seeds can be stored for up to 1,000 years.

    Helps a guy sleep a little better at night. I'll trade you all of my crop seeds for all of your GOLD! Oh, uh... wait a minute...?

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    246   8:56am Thu 28 Feb 2008   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Bernanke says time for long-term mortgage answers

    Thursday, February 28, 2008; 11:15 AM

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said on Thursday that it was time to move beyond temporary fixes to the subprime mortgage mess and look for long-term solutions.

    "It's important for us and for the servicers to move beyond temporary palliatives ... and try to find more permanent, sustainable solutions," Bernanke told the Senate Banking Committee.

    "I would urge you to continue to work on FHA modernization and GSE reform, two areas that can help us meet these challenges," Bernanke said. "Additional steps may be necessary in the future ... but I don't have any additional recommendations right now."

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    247   8:58am Thu 28 Feb 2008   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Concerning a New York Times article pity piece on "heavily mortgaged Americans ("Solutions the Public Hates", in the Patrick reading)

    But readers aren't biting. More than 400 vehement reader comments on the Times' site ran 20-to-1 against any taxpayer rescue - with fairness and basic economics the main objections

    Hope! Maybe the politicols will notice public outcry to a bailout and Harm's 3rd and 4th phases may be aborted.

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    248   9:03am Thu 28 Feb 2008   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    The worst thing about a 10 oz gold bar is how tiny it really seems. How big was it - the size of a large dog biscuit?

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    249   9:11am Thu 28 Feb 2008   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    The American corporate solution would be a warning label.

    In English, American sign language, and braille-Spanish. :)

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    250   9:14am Thu 28 Feb 2008   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Small dog biscuit.

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    251   9:17am Thu 28 Feb 2008   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    A little off topic...

    Boy those Aussies have fortitude. www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/02/28/international/i053105S05.DTL&tsp=1

    "My boat sank. I'll just swim 12 hours to the beach."

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    252   9:17am Thu 28 Feb 2008   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Hoarding silver is much more gratifying, at least you get something in return that is substantial.

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    253   9:17am Thu 28 Feb 2008   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected  

    Headset,

    I'm glad we're getting the exposure, really I am. I think though writers like Michelle Malkin are getting much more traction. Her... solution to the subprime "crisis"?

    Suck. It. Up.

    What I have noticed though is a quiet convergence of "bubble coverage". Even Nik Ritchie at Dirty is lampooning the likes of Daniel Sadek and other "D-Bag" mortgage brokers. If we've in any small way inspired them... we're only too happy!

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    254   9:17am Thu 28 Feb 2008   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    I'd guess was roughly about 3-4 inches tall. It was thick though. What's cool is how heavy it was for its small size, it felt like you were holding wealth. That's the only way to describe it.

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    255   9:19am Thu 28 Feb 2008   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected  

    NVR,

    Thanks for that observation. A short while back I noted that there was hope when HP & BB spoke last that they were moving past band-aids and on to more permanent solutions.

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    256   9:19am Thu 28 Feb 2008   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    weight wise, you really have to experience it to hold a gold bar in your hand, an entirely different sensation from holding money.

    size wise, very depressing, it's like, I paid all that much for this little guy?

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    257   9:21am Thu 28 Feb 2008   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    More like 3 inches, I'm envisioning it in my hand, if you squeeze your three middle fingers together that's about as tall as it was. I think it was a Credit Suisse bar. I like the Fortuna bars, they have a very pretty image on the front.

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    258   9:23am Thu 28 Feb 2008   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    OO, you have to admit though that in a sense the small size is neat. I used to thing, wow, that is a lot of money/wealth/whatever to cram in such a small space.

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    259   9:25am Thu 28 Feb 2008   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    DinOr,

    Now hopefully some of that will spill into the "change" we keep hearing about.

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    260   9:29am Thu 28 Feb 2008   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Knowing that it is recognized like money anywhere in the world is part of the charm. If I give you some printed money from some country you never heard about you have no idea what you're holding, but with that gold bar you could go and get dollars for it, or you could go to some third world country and buy a slave or have someone killed. The concept of gold is a very interesting relic from ancient times.

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    261   9:30am Thu 28 Feb 2008   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    think, not thing, God my typing :(

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    262   9:53am Thu 28 Feb 2008   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected  

    Look at this 12 oz gold coin. I bet it is not very big physically.

    http://www.pandaamerica.com/details.asp?item=5297&grp=1&categ=32

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    263   10:00am Thu 28 Feb 2008   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected  

    Which coin dealer do you guys use?

    I am looking for a nice 20 Franc Helvetia. It just looks pretty to me. Perhaps I can use it for meditation.

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    264   10:11am Thu 28 Feb 2008   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    I would guess that coin is the size of one of those large gold chocolate coins. Pretty, but man that is a hell of a premium over spot.

    You'll need to medidate if you own that thing. Like we were saying, owning physical gold in any substantial quantity brings on new stresses.

    Namaste-/\

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    265   10:13am Thu 28 Feb 2008   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected  

    I would guess that coin is the size of one of those large gold chocolate coins. Pretty, but man that is a hell of a premium over spot.

    Yeah, I joked with my wife that if I order that online, the chocolate version will come instead. :)

    You’ll need to medidate if you own that thing. Like we were saying, owning physical gold in any substantial quantity brings on new stresses.

    Wealth is no wealth if it brings stress.

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    266   10:15am Thu 28 Feb 2008   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    That's why I like to simplify. Very true, I have friends with the big house and all that good stuff, they are suing this contractor, being sued by that contractor, uh I don't get people.

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    267   10:16am Thu 28 Feb 2008   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected  

    From pictures online, it seems that the Krugerrands have a beautiful red-tint (due to copper contents?).

    On the other hand, is the softness in the Maples a issue? I heard that many dealers will buy them only at melt price.

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    268   10:18am Thu 28 Feb 2008   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected  

    Many people are not ready to receive wealth. It is essential to understand the concept of abundance.

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    269   10:21am Thu 28 Feb 2008   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    That is true of most common coins, which is why I'd caution on paying any premium over spot. My buffalos got $5 over spot when I sold them.

    Don't worry about the softness, that is somewhat BS, just like a jewelry store will say 18K is too soft which is why they only carry 14K. BS. Pure gold is soft in comparison to other metals but you can't pinch it or anything like that. You can't bend it, if you drpped a pure gold coin onto a hard surface it might leave an impression.

    So don't drop a pure collectible gold coin onto a hard surface - yes, that's financial advice.

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    270   10:22am Thu 28 Feb 2008   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Peter P Says:
    February 28th, 2008 at 10:18 am
    "Many people are not ready to receive wealth. It is essential to understand the concept of abundance."

    Let's leave the boomers out of this.

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    271   10:26am Thu 28 Feb 2008   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected  

    The maple platinum coins look nice though. Unlike gold, platinum is HARD.

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    272   10:27am Thu 28 Feb 2008   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    And guys, please, if you do take your gold in to a coin shop DO NOT wear a fanny pack on the way out. Not only might you get robbed, but you are likely to get your ass kicked for making that kind of fashion statement.

    Not financial advice.

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    273   1:36am Wed 5 Mar 2008   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    (sorry; I posted this question in other threads)

    Hi, I was hoping somebody here could point me to a good free foreclosure listings site? (if it even exists) All the ones I see, you have to pay to access full listings.

    Much appreciated in advance.

    Cheers

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