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Where did BAP33 dissappear to?....did he change his name to SHREKGRINCH?


By Clarence 13X   Follow   Thu, 30 Dec 2010, 4:47am PST   2,816 views   45 comments   Watch (0)   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

Just curious...because the outrageous statements look very familiar although last we spoke BAP33 had seemed to slow on the arch-conservative speak a whole lot and we seemed to have very similar views.

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elliemae   befriend   ignore   Thu, 30 Dec 2010, 11:40pm PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 6

Don't know from whence it came - but Bap and the grinch are totally different in their style and approaches.

Bap33   befriend   ignore   Fri, 31 Dec 2010, 3:54am PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 7

I read some of his stuff ... dude spells way better than me, and is much higher educated in the financial and political arenas on here, from what I read.

all I had to do was read some of the vocabulary used and I knew it wasn't me!! lol

elliemae   befriend   ignore   Fri, 31 Dec 2010, 9:30am PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 8

Bap33 says

all I had to do was read some of the vocabulary used and I knew it wasn’t me!! lol

So, that clears it all up, huh?

Bap33   befriend   ignore   Fri, 31 Dec 2010, 2:07pm PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 9

lol ... yea ... dude writes with bigger words and a whole different vibe. I much more basic. Simple -- as Doc was about to say. lol

Clarence 13X   befriend   ignore   Fri, 31 Dec 2010, 4:55pm PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 10

Bap33 says

negative, I’m just me.
what’s the beef?

No beef, just saying I hadnt heard from you in a while. Looking forward to sharing opposing views..btw, I am making it a new years resolution to embrace opposing views.

Clarence 13X   befriend   ignore   Fri, 31 Dec 2010, 5:00pm PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 11

Bap33 says

Thanks Kevin and marcus.
I am very much a conservative. I think.
13 has attacked me a few times, but then in other posts showed extreem intellect, … almost split personality. I really do not know where the conversation is that sparked this post. Anyone care to share?

Sorry. Not my intent....I just like to debate back and forth about ish I cant change.

Bap33   befriend   ignore   Sat, 1 Jan 2011, 2:45am PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 12

I have read some of you latest stuff, and I had no oposing view! lol. I'll do my best to check in more regular.

Have you guys noticed how much bad news is on the front pages of news sites this morning. It looks like islamists have blown up arab Christians. That should add to this whole debate about "who are we fighting" in the war or terror .. maybe?

Clarence 13X   befriend   ignore   Sat, 1 Jan 2011, 5:39am PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 13

Prolly so, plus Ethiopian Jews are being buried in seperate plots from Israeli Jews. Not sure what is up with all the hate going on now adays. It seems although religion has its place the congregations dont follow the word of the books.

Bap33   befriend   ignore   Sat, 1 Jan 2011, 6:14am PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 14

Ethiopian Jews have the ark. That prolly pissed off the Hebrew sect up north.

elliemae   befriend   ignore   Sat, 1 Jan 2011, 8:23am PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 15

Happy new year. Let's start out pissed off and threaten to end the world. That'll do it...

You'd think everyone could just chill out for a day.

Bap33   befriend   ignore   Sat, 1 Jan 2011, 3:02pm PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 16

is today the starting day for all calendars?

elliemae   befriend   ignore   Sun, 2 Jan 2011, 1:38am PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 17

It's the beginning of the end for the 2012 crowd.

marcus   befriend   ignore   Sun, 2 Jan 2011, 1:45am PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 18

The 2012 crowd are primarily a small percentage of adolescents who use it as an excuse to party a lot and stay high. Yo TOT, do you believe the world ends in 2012? I guess if I thought the world ended in 2012, I would maybe adjust my priorities somewhat too.

Clarence 13X   befriend   ignore   Sun, 2 Jan 2011, 1:04pm PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 19

Dang, didnt mean to enrage everyone....

Clarence 13X   befriend   ignore   Mon, 3 Jan 2011, 3:20am PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 20

@SHREK

No beef, just noticed a trend of arch-conservative ideas with no regard for opposing views. BAP and I like to go back and forth about conservative/liberal philosophy similarly to you, Kevin and Marcus....which I found interesting.

Thats pretty much it...looking forward to sharing ideas in the new year with everyone.

Bap33   befriend   ignore   Mon, 3 Jan 2011, 8:22am PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 21

I don't know that I am ignored on here nearly as much as in my house by my teenage daughter .... (rim shot) .. thank you, thank you, try the fish, I'm here all week ...

elliemae   befriend   ignore   Mon, 3 Jan 2011, 11:19am PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 22

shrekgrinch says

I happen to know that I am one of the most ‘ignored’ people on this site.

How do you know that?

Bap33 says

I don’t know that I am ignored on here nearly as much as in my house by my teenage daughter …. (rim shot) .. thank you, thank you, try the fish, I’m here all week …

I'm willing to bet that she loves you when she needs something, tho.

Bap33   befriend   ignore   Mon, 3 Jan 2011, 12:14pm PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 23

She's a challenge. Too old to spank, to young to toss out head first.

Clarence 13X   befriend   ignore   Mon, 3 Jan 2011, 3:16pm PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 24

shrekgrinch says

Clarence 13X says


No beef, just noticed a trend of arch-conservative ideas with no regard for opposing views

What do you mean ‘with no regard for opposing views’. a) conservatives on this site are pretty aware how much they are in the minority and why. We know what the opposing views are. In fact, we know them so well that it truly is a rarity that we run into one that is actually novel by a Leftie. And we have long figured out how and why those ‘views’ are bankrupt at worse or just plain not credible at best. b) I happen to know that I am one of the most ‘ignored’ people on this site. Therefore, if you are after the most people who have no regard for opposing views, I am far, far outnumbered by the Mark_LA’s of this world.

Your response above is a primary example of how overly sensative conservatives have become after 8 years of BUSH bashing. I am sure liberals will be the same in another 6 years after Obama's tenure is finished. My point is that your so concerned with proving why conservative ideas are far better than liberal ideas that you fail to acknowledge any good fact based points, period. There are far more conservative ideas on this site than liberal ideas, the problem with the conservative ideas is that they go too far right....with the authors almost begging for a return to the good ol days where we can fly the Rebel flag and drink Jack Daniels at the saloon.

So far, Obama has been attacked by the arch-conservative Tea Party on:

Socialism - Go ahead and cancel Sesame Street, Parks and Recreation....cancel Social Security and Welfare while you at it. Lets see how many trailer parks go up in flames and how many elderly, mentally ill lose their lives after the riots start. Lets see what plan of action the christian right have planned for when these services are no longer valid....ohh wait, they dont have one because all they can think to do is build missionaries in Mexico and Africa, which are countries without these services. A friend of mine just helped build an orphanage in Mexico last weekend...we will just house our mentally ill and elderly there.

Birth Rights - If he has been acknowledged as a citizen for the past 46 years why all of a sudden do we challenge this....could it be that the inbred Palins present no challenge to the presidency in 2012 and the Republican rebel flag flying baptist know they dont have one viable canidate?

Keynesian Economics - Wonder how many presidents prior to this administration used stimilus packages samto fight a recession? Bush and Reagan did and so did many before them.

Soft Approach - If a black man gets too passionate he is too agressive, but if he maintains his composure he is too soft....please, Obama is too smart to fall into this trap so are many other people in politics. During this past election cycle he was labeled uppity because he is educated, yet if he held no degrees he would be just another lazy black.

Healthcare - Well, there's something to talk about because I am not for the type of reform that we got...why should we pay for 15 million poverty stricken people to enter the system and line the pockets of every health insurance company around when we havent even yet touched the topic of reducing costs. And YES, its deficit neutral but NO it does nothing to alleviate the root of the problem...high costs.

Lapel Pin - Please, does he need to be sure to wear superman underwear too? One simple oversight or gaffe and Obamas a demon. George Bush placed our country's primary focus on a useless war for the past 10 years, doesnt that seem a bit more worth our energy?

Taxes - Oh geez, he is working to reduce every except the top 3$ taxes....lets hold a tea party to protest the injustice to the rich in America. Ohhh wait, what you say....they were just going to put that money in their kids trusts funds which has no benefit to the American economy.

National Security - He is a wimp if he pulls out, and he is a spend thrift is he stays....make up your mind whether you want our children paying 1T to overthrow another country. I could of did it in 2 years by setting up a DMZ around the country after the war was over...keeping the extremist within their own country. Although, I would of also setup firing lines in which all the extremist bodies would of been covered in pig blood prior to burial, no need allowing them into heaven to meet their 40 virgins. This was done by Sadaam and shutdown all the opposition during the 80s and 90s.

We need to start focusing on what is right for our country, and not just what is right for the Republican and Democratic party. Kevin and Marcus have made many good points that you refute just for the sake of refuting...as if conservative ideas are the only good ideas worth reading.

Both the Republican and Democrats flip-flop on issues depending on the season. I am a conservative and your comments go to far right, labeling any type of pragmatism or common sense approach that could ever be taken to resolve our issues as LIBERAL.

If we really want a society free of social security and taxes, Mexico has those same policies....plus they deport their illegal aliens....so go ahead and admit that you really dont give a shit about whats best for America as long your side wins, right?

artistsoul   befriend   ignore   Mon, 3 Jan 2011, 4:17pm PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 25

Bap33 says

She’s a challenge. Too old to spank, to young to toss out head first.

somebody needs to be collecting this material....

elliemae   befriend   ignore   Mon, 3 Jan 2011, 11:43pm PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 26

shrekgrinch says

elliemae says
I’m willing to bet that she loves you when she needs something, tho.
Are we talking about Bap’s daughter or my cat? Sounds the same to me. It’s why I learned what I know about women from observing cat psychology (seriously).

Wow, comparing a teenage girl to a cat is magic! They're both moody, haughty and demanding. I'd say that my daughter never brought me a dead thing, but there was that one young man with tattoos and a tongue stud who lacked the ability to formulate a complete sentence.

kentm   befriend   ignore   Tue, 4 Jan 2011, 9:41am PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 27

shrekgrinch says

Ah…there you go. Another screw up on your part. You are describing YOUR BELIEFS as to what I must be and what I must be thinking despite having zero proof of either.

Really? Again, since 99% of my time is simply displaying how totally horked the things people say and maintain on here I rarely have time for advocating anything, like I said. So, which particular ‘conservative ideas’ are you referring to that I keep advocating?

Alright then, Take the time. I'll wait. Everyone will. I for one am really curious to hear what you do believe... aside from that there must be occasional random precise definitions.

You can be brief, like maybe just give a couple examples of the political theorists you like or what systems you think work well. You can even just name a couple politicians you think represent your thinking. No need to write a tome, just lay it out quick.

I think I asked you this the other day in a thread and also where you scholarly knowledge comes from but this is a good enough thread to get it out.

marcus   befriend   ignore   Tue, 4 Jan 2011, 10:51am PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 28

Here's my imitation of Shrek:

shrekgrinch says

I like reading historical analysis of FDR and the New Deal by current researchers who aren’t biased like all the ones in the past 50 years who can be summed simply as “I wanna write another book that totally kisses FDR’s ass too!”

Ah, another programmed can't think for himself right winger. Always basing his reads on what he wants the conclusions to be.

shrekgrinch says

It’s an implementation of Binary Economics.

Very theoretical sounds impressive. Let me know when you figure out what it really means.
shrekgrinch says

Behavorial economics is something I’m getting into really big. Between that, my understanding of how money works, and hard historical data, this is where I get hard assed about Baumol’s Cost Disease, Say’s Law and Hauser’s Law with certain fools on here who think we can actually squeeze more revenue blood from the income tax turnip.

In other words he thinks taxes can never be too low. Again replacing basic logic with academic theories that aren't even relevant to whether taxes are too low or not (on high incomes).

shrekgrinch says

I do, however…throw my lot in with the Reps because I have no other choice in the matter.

Emotion and self interest before logic. Classic.

shrekgrinch says

BS in Computer Science with a minor in Economic History.

Impossible that you can program your way out of a paper bag.

Now, tell me the truth did I just own Shrek or what ? I powned this fool, see my fancy critical thinking. Did you notice the care that I took to understand what he was saying (NOT).

Again this was just an imitation of Shreks style. He's not a total idiot. But he needs to put his ego on a leash. Maybe start with the assumption that others are as smart or smarter than him, until truly proven otherwise.

Clarence 13X   befriend   ignore   Tue, 4 Jan 2011, 11:30am PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 29

kentm says

shrekgrinch says


Ah…there you go. Another screw up on your part. You are describing YOUR BELIEFS as to what I must be and what I must be thinking despite having zero proof of either.
Really? Again, since 99% of my time is simply displaying how totally horked the things people say and maintain on here I rarely have time for advocating anything, like I said. So, which particular ‘conservative ideas’ are you referring to that I keep advocating?

Alright then, Take the time. I’ll wait. Everyone will. I for one am really curious to hear what you do believe… aside from that there must be occasional random precise definitions.
You can be brief, like maybe just give a couple examples of the political theorists you like or what systems you think work well. You can even just name a couple politicians you think represent your thinking. No need to write a tome, just lay it out quick.
I think I asked you this the other day in a thread and also where you scholarly knowledge comes from but this is a good enough thread to get it out.

You have a history of refuting liberal ideas and/or anything Obama thats all I can say without looking back on your threads. Specifically, I do know that you refute anything the other guys cite as facts. I dont plan on ignoring you as I do value everyones opinion on this site, I learned a lot debating on these threads and am looking forward to learning more. So it would be silly to delete an opposing view which could potentially ad value to the debates I engage in.

Ask BAP33 how much my views have changed over the past year. I am not stuck on one party or one idea any longer.

What are your views on the topics I posted?

Clarence 13X   befriend   ignore   Tue, 4 Jan 2011, 11:36am PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 30

shrekgrinch says

Ah…there you go. Another screw up on your part. You are describing YOUR BELIEFS as to what I must be and what I must be thinking despite having zero proof of either. Also, you are making very clear that you HAVE to believe those things about me and ascribe the motives you say I have to me (by pulling them straight out of your ass, apparently) to support your worldview. Notice the pattern, Clarence?

Yes, I do...you love to have a debate based on angry retaliation which is no longer my style....what are your views based upon my points above.

Clarence 13X   befriend   ignore   Tue, 4 Jan 2011, 11:38am PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 31

marcus says

shrekgrinch says
I do, however…throw my lot in with the Reps because I have no other choice in the matter.

What leaves you no other choice in the matter? Is Obama not centrist enough for the nation?

Clarence 13X   befriend   ignore   Tue, 4 Jan 2011, 2:18pm PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 32

shrekgrinch says

Not into the Credentialism BS simply because I am ashamed to be associated with the overwhelming idiots out there with degrees, but I have a BS in Computer Science with a minor in Economic History.

So with all your education you choose to associate yourself with bigots within the Republican party that left the democratic party after the passing of Civil Rights act of 1964?

My main reason for not voting Republican is that they are insensitive to the needs of poor people, primarlily Blacks who have for 400 years been push aside and not permitted to participate in business. Now that Blacks have been free for 150 years the Republican party expects everyone to just jump on in and start participating as if no mental and social effects (Resentment, Fear, Mental Illness, etc) have resulted from the Blacks being pushed aside. Shit most of the grandparents of the kids today were not even able to eat at the same fuckin lunch counter as whites yet we expect their grandchildren to be excited about spending time in the business community with the descendants as if nothing even occured. The insensitive statements made by Republicans are indicative of the nature of the people within the group. They are careless about the social welfare of the weak and underpriviledged. This is not to say that every piece of legislation a Democrat puts out is pure hearted and aimed at assisting blacks because I do not believe in using the welfare system as a crutch nor do I believe 8K tax credits and Healthcare reform were the answer to my prayers. A college education and a good understanding of business have become my answer.

I have a few questions for you:

1. Wouldnt you equate the Republican approach toward Blacsk to the United States expecting a soldier to go to Iraq for 10 years and come home without being shellshocked? Some within the black community is shell shocked and doesnt know where to go as a whole.

2. Why should I support a party who has known bigots within its ranks? Would you support the Republican party if its constituency primarily consisted of members of the Nation of Islam or Black Israelites?

3. Why should I support a party of priveledged rich people who hold no concern for the poors mental welfare?

Engage me, I am curious to hear you educated answers but this time stick to the topic without going into why you are being ignored by others because that is not my focus here.

marcus   befriend   ignore   Wed, 5 Jan 2011, 2:26am PST   Share   Quote   Like   Dislike     Comment 33

shrekgrinch says

But since you are in cheap shot mode backed up by your vast ideological bias in defiance of reason and facts, you chose to make that cheap shot anyway

The whole point was to give you a taste of your pointless responses to people. Yes, cheap worthless response very much intended (the entire post).

shrekgrinch says

For starters, you use the word ’smart’ when you mean to refer to ‘education’ or ‘knowledgeable’

No, I meant smart. Although I understand that your fr