WatchMy mother in law, a city union member, was complaining about how she hadnt received a 3% COLA increase in 10 years since working for the city as a Sr. Clerk typist. When I inquired about her previous roles she explained "well, i was a clerk typist I, then a clerk typist II, clerk typist III..." and so forth and so on. She is now a Senior Clerk Typist. I asked how much she made as a Senior Clerk Typist and she replied 57K. So, then I let the conversation go on about how she was being screwed by the city and how they hadnt gave her a raise in 10 years. After she rambled for another 5 minutes I doubled back and asked her "when you started as a Clerk Typist I what were you making?" and she replied "Ohh, I wasnt making anything...only about 35k". So then I asked her well if you started at 35K and are now at 57K you have received a 22K increase in salary over the past 10 years. To which she negatively replied, "Ohh no, I had to apply for new roles within the city to get those increases!!!!"
This is just one of many examples of I have of how entitled union employees are, and how arrogant they are with their rights as a worker. She recieved a 22K increase over a 10 year period and has the gall to complain about how the 3% COLA increases have been placed on hold due to the economic times. For someone to forgoe their college education in favor of pushing paperwork or doing manual labor to complain about their salary is ridiculous. 18 years ago I was a security guard, and guess what I wanted more money so I took my arse to college. This isnt the only path to a better life, just my path....some developed a trade, started a business, etc. My key point is that I along with many others sought out the opportunity to increase my earning potential and ability to take advantage of capatilistic opportunities here in America.
But what I want to know is who in the hell complains about making 57K for filing papers and typing notes?
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A union worker, a member of the Tea Party, and a CEO are sitting at a table.
In the middle of the table there is a plate with a dozen cookies on it.
The CEO reaches across the table, takes 11 cookies, looks at the Tea Partier and says: "Look out for that union guy, he wants a piece of your cookie."
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How about some private company stories? Some executive suite stories?
Do you really think that lazy and sleazy people only exist in government jobs? Think again.
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justme says
I don't think anyone says sleaziness is one sided. In my post I pointed out that problems exist on both sides. In public sector there is however perpetual unconcerningly comatose mentality that is widespread. A mentality of entitlements to other peoples money and complete disregard for public welfare.
There are employees that care about public service, but there are also many (too many) of the other afore mentioned types.
As I mentioned private sector has their own pitfalls, but perpetual laziness filters out incredibly fast.
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Which movie was it where Jim Carrey's ass talks ? Was it Ace Ventura ? That was some funny stuff.
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msilenus says
Dont be too outraged, I am one of those guys who is pissed at the fact that someone as successful as her without a college degree would even complain. Its the same ol' story all across America...even with our teachers whom have 3 mos off during the summer months. Sorry for the undertone, but I am pissed....pissed at all the union workers who are lazy enough not to go to college like I did yet they live the same priviledged life as I do but complain all the time about how they want more.
I go to school or obtain a skill specific certification when I want more but they simply try to hold companies hostage. I think somewhere in between all the outrage on both sides lies the truth.
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marcus says
You have a point, but that is not the message I am looking to send. She shouldnt complain about not getting an increase in 10 years when she did in fact gain a 22k increase. Classic union worker mentality is that they complain about how screwed up everything is and refuse to educate themselves.
She didnt work hard, she simply applied for another job and got better wages. Good points though...I cant fully articulate it without holding a conversation in person.
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ChrisLA says
Bingo!!!!!!!! That is where I am coming from...they sit, wait and complain. I will share my next story.
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HousingWatcher says
Either way she got the increase that she was looking for so why complain. I hadnt had a COLA in 5 years prior to my current job of 3 years, however, I increased my salary by 40k over those 5 years by applying to new roles.
Should I complain about how terrible life is, was or can be without a COLA?
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HousingWatcher says
LMAO....great comedy. Love the snarky tone to it...that about sums up what we are facing. I still wont complain as the opportunity is out there to get 11 cookies at another company by leaving the company where there is only 1 cookie available. Also, you and I can get access to 250 cookies by broadening our horizon's and searching for national openings where they offer more compensation.
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shrekgrinch says
Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding!!!!!....another blow struck by the hammer.
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Zlxr says
Now, speaking for CA this is against the law as you have to make reasonable accomodations for these exact purposes. These are laws the unions of the 20s, 30s, and 40s fought for and it is well appreciated. I cant speak for Alabama, Tennessee and Texas laws.
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ChrisLA says
Can't argue with this. We all know that's what really goes on with those union govt jobs, right ? No accountability, slacking off all day long. Yep that sums it up pretty well.
ChrisLA for President !!
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Zlxr says
I dont see the spin on what he said as being either good or bad...what did you read into this?
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Zlxr says
I agree 100% that we are probably taxed around 38-42% in real earnings.
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Clarence 13X says
And you know she didn't work hard how ?
Many jobs start at a relatively low pay, and if you have skills and an ability to learn and work hard your pay goes up a lot in a short time. That's how the corporate world works, and I am speaking from experience. I got a 25K raise in two years in a software company I worked for back in 2000. That was because I took a low pay to get in the door, and my pay went up a lot when I worked hard and showed how I could progress.
Your view of your mother inlaw is highly biased. You actually have no willingness to consider that she may be good at what she does.
It's quite natural to set up pay structures so that it's low when you come in, but if you can perform it goes up pretty quickly (although 22k in 10 years isn't that great). Her complaint is that people doing exactly the same job she does were paid the same as she is 10 years ago. This makes sense. And basically you are wrong to frame it the way you are, at least in my opinion.
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Here is my story, non union though:
I worked 3 years ago for the county delivering a Windows 2000 project about 10 years ago. As a consultant I was to deploy 1500 desktop computer upgrades to all the county employees. Generally, our mornings were very slow with not much work being performed. Plus, the processes we put in place stretched out the project by 2 years allowing us to earn top dollar for far longer. While the consultants did all the work, generallly, the non-union employees who managed us did nothing on their computers all day. We were all really bored actually as we had scoped out the entire project the first 3 mos of its initiation and the remaining 2 years were spent deploying about 50 computers per week. We had a team of 5 individuals so it came out to be about 10 computers per week per consultant. All this work was being performed at a rate of $150/hour. For about 4 of the 5 days I was bored out of my mind. One day I asked why so many of the employees were sitting around and why there were so many of them. I was told that the department revenues were extremely high and no one wanted to risk losing the funds that were brought in by downsizing the group. I am not for downsizing this specific department (which i wont name) as its services paid for the salaries and it was a profit center for the city, state, etc.
This was the scene I witnessed first hand in almost every department. With 1500 employees simply sitting around to do 1 or 2 things per week I was extremely put off by the complaints of both the union and non-union employees who were ranking in millions off pensions funded by tax dollars.
YES, there are good hard working union employees but half the time the job descriptions just dont allocate for them to do much outside of warm a seat IMO. Private organizations cannot afford to do this as they are not funded on the tax payer dime.
With all the federal laws protecting workers and all the waste invested into federal, state and city pensions I cannot support any of these groups any longer whether union or non union.
To hear about a union striking over negotiations to lower a companies costs is insane to me, but if I were to hear a story about a union striking over an employee who was fired for having children I would be all onboard for the strike.
Most of what we hear is of unions striking over lost pensions that are partly funded by tax payer dollars.
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justme says
Start another post and we will gladly share our stories there. I am not saying corruption and greed only exist in union environments. Do it, start a post...
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ChrisLA says
You will get put on a PIP unless you work for the union....who will come in and tell the HR department the manager did not follow proper protocol in documenting your situation.
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marcus says
Exactly how much do you expect a motherlovin assistant to get paid with an high school education? 45k, 55k, 75k, 85K?
My 20 year old niece can do this job. Although, it is effortless and thankless. Being an assistant requires only entry level skills (Word, Excel, Powerpoint) with a great amount of organization and responsibility. Paying an assistant as much as a professional is silly IMO.
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marcus says
But did you complain about not getting a motherlovin COLA? Or about how your pensions were no longer being funded by tax payers?
Hell, I guess this is a moot point for some. The IT Industry is being outsourced to India, Mexico, Canada right now. We complain about how the jobs are leaving and the wages are going overseas leaving us with contract positions, no benefits. We have put a lot of effort into certifications and degrees that built up high level skills. All she did was learn how to use a motherlovin computer and sit on her toosh.
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It's nice to see intelligent comments mixed in every now and then.
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ChrisLA says
That sounds like a description of Wall St, not a description of public employees.
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marcus says
Answer my question, did you complain about not getting a COLA after you increased your salary 25%?....I think that was a fair question.
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Zlxr says
Good point, I failed to realize this viewpoint in my rants. I think this has a lot to do with why so many complain....in both private and public sectors. I digress on my views a bit.
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Zlxr says
Good point, they will probably start hiring all their relatives creating an environment free to competition for the jobs we all apply for. I have seen this many times where husband and wife teams bring in friends and family. But this goes on in all orgs.
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Clarence 13X says
Answer this one to Mr. Marcus....your not the only one here with intelligence.
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Clarence 13X says
I know that. I understand that you're rated genius level on some IQ test. That puts you above me, because I don't consider myself a genius.
But I recognize intelligence when I see it, and zlxr's comments above are the most intelligent addition to this thread.
I don't know Clarence. IT just sounds to me like you have major issues. Sometimes assistants and clerical people gain a lot of institutional knowledge in their field and experience in how specialized tasks are done. The reason why this sounds so weird to me is that I don't understand how you can know so much about how easy your mother inlaws job is.
So you say that after all of her promotions, it's still just an entry level job. I just don't know. Her pay seems very reasonable to me. 57K, 10 years in to a job, depending on the city isn't all that high. But in any case, I'm not that fascinated by the topic of trying to figure out how difficult or how overpaid your mother inlaw is or isn't.
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Maybe it's the title of "assistant" that is confusing you. There are many people with that title in the corporate world making 6 figure salaries, 150K or more, and earning it. Some of them don't have college degrees.
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marcus says
Yes, he used a very tactful approach in his answer.
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marcus says
I posted this piece to get different viewpoints, not to proclaim how smart I am. My frustration is with the fact that here is a person that has obviously worked their way up the ladder whom is still aggrivated with their pay scale. If she wanted to make 100k/year she is probably in the wrong field as 57K is at the mid to high end of the scale for assistants.
Please, when responding to me keep the insults to yourself...thats not my style any longer. I am not looking to come here to berade or engage in unnecessary banter. I was looking to learn from your viewpoints.
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marcus says
These are possibilities that are slim and few for assistants. These type of assistants are actually capable of handling multiple large scale projects, hold degrees and can run a fortune 500 company while the boss is out.
My mother is law is not capable of any of that, she simply takes requests to transcribe meeting notes. She can get to that level by obtaining a higher level of education, which would open doors for her to apply for higher level assistant roles but I doubt anyone over the age of 50 is going to do that.
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Clarence 13X says
No, you posted it to passively attack unions. I keep saying it, the main problem i have with you guys is you can't ever simply be honest about anything.
How smart you are is not actually of any interest to me, personally, but I am actually curious of your age.
You want union stories? Okay, here's one. My stepfather is a VP in charge of Personelle & a negotiator for a large company. He deals with unions pretty much every day and he hates the rules that allow employees who continually screw-up to remain employed. He hates that guys can literally fall asleep at the job and the union will defend them, to the end. But this doesn't signal to him - or to me - that unions are baaaaaaaad and that they should be broken and disbanded, it signals to me that there is need for reform within the unions, that like any institution there are policies that should be considered and amended, to create an institution that better serves the company and the people who don't screw-up. But then creating a better institution that better serves the people and the company isn't your objective is it?
Though I don't watch Fuckus News my guess is that you do and that its is going off on unions these days, and this has narrowed your focus to this fine little point, this week.
By the way, total aside, I think you should take that image of Malcom X off your avatar, you don't deserve it.
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My union story: While attending school, I worked at a large union supermarket chain. The union had negotiated as part of their contract an increase in the hourly wage for any employee that was attending college. Over a lengthy period of time, I never received the increase in pay. After numerous failed attempts with my employer to pay the increase, I filed a grievance with the union. My employer owed me several thousand dollars (a substantial amount of money back then), however, the union from the start attempted to strong arm me into accepting a settlement that was substantially lower than the amount owed. The union clearly was "working" much harder to maintain a relationship with the supermarket chain than with its member. I never forgot that lesson. Unions often have cozy relationships with businesses, but are very adept at maintaining an opposite front for their dues paying members. That was a long time ago. I don’t get the impression that things have improved much since that time.
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kentm says
@RAYAMERICA, BAP33, SHREKGRINCH
Did KentM on the low call me a Replublican with his comment about me watching Fox News? After you 3 have on numerous occasions outed me as a Liberal for some of my policies?
THis is why I can no longer support the Democratic or Republican Party. If you disagree with their Unions then all of a sudden you are Pro-Republican or if you disagree with the War in Iraq you are liberal.
@KentM
Just what am I if all I want is a better future for my children?....free of the 1% rule, free of silly union gripes, free of offshoring.
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...somehow these debates always lead back to a argument over right vs left policy. I dont ever remember citing the unions as pro-Democrat but I guess it is always implied.
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kentm says
I think I was outright attacking the Unions inability to reform and cease the gripes about how badly paid they are...not the laws passed by the unions in the 50s, 60s, and 70s.
We just dont need them any longer due to the Federal laws we have in place.
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Clarence 13X says
Unclear on the concept. If one of the unions primary functions is to negotiate pay for large groups, it's only natural that they sound like they are always complaining about their pay. You're familiar with the concept of negotiation right ? What do you think, they should say, our pay is pretty good, in fact maybe it's too good, would you like to lower our pay ?
Of course in these recent times, that's not that far from what they are saying. But in all those past years what you heard as gripes, was them doing their thing. As for reform, it will happen. How can it not. But it is a little slow.
Clarence 13X says
That is a very right wing view, and in my opinion...kent is right, you should stop listening to fox news or talk radio. I would feel like a wuss if I was always kissing the ass of the rich and corporate overlords. What, you think they are going to reward you for your loyalty ?
Self interest is the fascinating part of this. You do understand how different you would feel if you were in a union, like the teachers union, or any of the other major public unions. OF course you can say the reverse about me, accept I didn't have problems with unions before I was in one. Pretty much just had problems with
abuses and inefficiencies, which I still have.
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marcus says
I have never watched Fox News in my lfie, I generally listent to NPR, CNN and read articles on the web to make up my own opinions. Unions have no frontier left to fight for as all the major pieces of work are now covered by federal legislation.
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shrekgrinch says
Really? Do you have proof that he NEVER listened to Fox or talk radio?
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"This is just one of many examples of I have of how entitled union employees are, and how arrogant they are with their rights as a worker. She recieved a 22K increase over a 10 year period and has the gall to complain about how the 3% COLA increases have been placed on hold due to the"
How can one be arrogant with their rights ? That makes no sense. If you have rights, then you have rights. Why is that considered a bad thing these days ? And what is wrong with someone being successful and getting promoted and all ? Good for her - it seems like you are confusing the very high paid government admin people with the working folks. Here is a good one - school district is going broke - layoffs happening everywhere - no more college for you or anyone else in the community - yet the administrators give themselves raises in this environment - that is what the truth is