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Obama Government Clamps Lid on Amish Milk Can

By RayAmerica   Follow   Fri, 29 Apr 2011, 8:40am   1,254 views   27 comments
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In a stunning show of force and determination, the Obama Justice Department has closed down a major threat to national security; Amish unpasteurized milk. The Feds conducted a yearlong "sting" operation in which they caught the dastardly Amish selling their milk to American citizens that wanted to buy it. Isn't it wonderful to know that the hope & change Obama Administration has its priorities in order?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/apr/28/feds-sting-amish-farmer-selling-raw-milk-locally/

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1. Vicente Follow Befriend (8) 203 threads 4,405 comments Davis, CA

   1   8:49am Fri 29 Apr 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   This is not a uniquely "Obama" initiative. Back in rural Georgia I remember sometimes hearing about people being shut down for not meeting various codes. One lady was my friend's sister, who was selling goat cheese and milk. This was a while back under a Republican administration. Technically speaking this is not originating in Justice, they are FDA operations. They are doing what they are charged with doing. But please continue looking for Commies behind every bush, it is entertaining.

2. iwog Follow Befriend (48) 273 threads 12,525 comments 47 male Lafayette, CA Premium

   2   9:08am Fri 29 Apr 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   Nice work Ray. Hundreds of children used to die from milk contamination every year before pasteurization became law. Now you want to turn back the clock and start killing people again. I'm not surprised considering you want to turn back the clock on everything else as well. I applaud the justice department and hope they continue to ignore anti-American right wing nuts like yourself. Today, just about 0.5 percent of all the milk consumed in this country is unpasteurized. Yet from 1998 to 2008, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention received reports of 85 infectious disease outbreaks linked to raw milk. In the past few months, physicians have treated salmonella in Utah, brucellosis in Delaware, campylobacter in Colorado and Pennsylvania, and an ugly outbreak of E. coli O157-H7 in Minnesota, which sickened eight people in June. Epidemiologists not only identified a rare strain of the bacteria but matched its DNA to those stricken, the cows on the farm that supplied them with raw milk, and manure smearing the milking equipment and even the animals themselves. When regulators shut down the dairy farm, supporters promptly charged them with belonging to a government conspiracy to smear the reputation of a hallowed food. It wasn't until 1914—compelled by a typhoid epidemic linked to unpasteurized milk—that New York City finally enforced a pasteurization rule. Seven years later, the city's infant death rate, which had hovered at an appalling 240 of every 1,000 live births, had dropped to 71 deaths per 1,000, a victory many credited to pasteurization.

3. MarkInSF Follow Befriend 14 threads 1,118 comments

   3   9:19am Fri 29 Apr 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Over in China they've got a big problem with rice tainted with cadmium, "a heavy metal associated with high blood pressure, fluid accumulation in the lungs and a potentially fatal softening of the bones." I'm sure Ray is all for the free market working over there too. After all, there is a willing buyer and seller, and it's the rice consumers fault for not checking their food for cadmium. http://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2011/02/16/new-food-scare-some-cadmium-with-your-rice/

4. MarkInSF Follow Befriend 14 threads 1,118 comments

   4   9:23am Fri 29 Apr 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   shrekgrinch says Then why is the Justice Department and not the FDA doing this? Man, you really don't care about facts do you? You just make up whatever twisted story fits your twisted world view and type it out.

5. Vicente Follow Befriend (8) 203 threads 4,405 comments Davis, CA

   5   9:29am Fri 29 Apr 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   shrekgrinch says Then why is the Justice Department and not the FDA doing this? Where is Obama mentioned in TFA? Police at least in my part of the country do not run their own kangaroo courts. It's been my understanding from civics which is a bit dated, that government agencies do investigations but criminal prosecutions are the province of Justice.

6. iwog Follow Befriend (48) 273 threads 12,525 comments 47 male Lafayette, CA Premium

   6   9:57am Fri 29 Apr 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   shrekgrinch says Then why is the Justice Department and not the FDA doing this? Why? Because the Justice Department is thoroughly politicized with a openly white-hating racist AG that Obama approves of and the FDA is not, THAT is why. What you really meant to say is the justice department is filled with openly altruistic and reasonable individuals who gave this farmer repeated warnings and many months to correct his violations of the LAW before finally and regrettably shutting him down so people wouldn't become sick with tainted milk. Right? Otherwise you'd come off as a screaming hysterical lunatic. We wouldn't want that would we?

7. RayAmerica Follow Befriend (9) 120 threads 2,591 comments Burbank, CA

   7   10:06am Fri 29 Apr 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   iwog says Nice work Ray. Hundreds of children used to die from milk contamination every year before pasteurization became law. Now you want to turn back the clock and start killing people again. More hyperbole from our Daffy Duck. Check this out Ducky and find out the facts regarding Real Milk (which I don't drink but see no problem providing it to American citizens that want to drink it). By the way, please cite your source that proves "hundreds of children" died every year because of NON-PASTEURIZED milk. Thanks in advance Ducky. http://www.realmilk.com/why.html

8. Vicente Follow Befriend (8) 203 threads 4,405 comments Davis, CA

   8   10:20am Fri 29 Apr 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Raw milk is such a "hippy" thing it amazes me Ray/Shrek are so interested in it. Some people pay up to 10-12 times the price of pasteurized just to get their fix. Historically the center of raw milk production has been California, we even defined 3 grades of it. I find your sudden granola conversion hilarious.

9. RayAmerica Follow Befriend (9) 120 threads 2,591 comments Burbank, CA

   9   10:48am Fri 29 Apr 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Maybe all those FEMA Concentration Camps were constructed to hold all those Amish milk producers? This issue appears to be far deeper than I thought. Obvioiusly, if these Amish are out to kill people as ... iwog says Hundreds of children used to die from milk contamination every year before pasteurization became law. Now you want to turn back the clock and start killing people again. ... then by all means, throw the Amish into Concentration Camps and waterboard them using their own milk of course. Talk about poetic justice.

10. bob2356 Follow Befriend 2 threads 2,497 comments

    10   10:50am Fri 29 Apr 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   RayAmerica says iwog says Nice work Ray. Hundreds of children used to die from milk contamination every year before pasteurization became law. Now you want to turn back the clock and start killing people again. More hyperbole from our Daffy Duck. Check this out Ducky and find out the facts regarding Real Milk (which I don’t drink but see no problem providing it to American citizens that want to drink it). By the way, please cite your source that proves “hundreds of children” died every year because of NON-PASTEURIZED milk. Thanks in advance Ducky. http://www.realmilk.com/why.html Your realmilk ad says that back in the 20's when real milk was available diseases were rare. That's interesting, why was the average lifespan half of today's then? I don't understand the issue Ray. You are all for law and order, unless Obama does it. Americans are perfectly free to buy unpasteurized milk in the 10 states that allow it. Seems to me the people want to buy it elsewhere should be doing something about changing the state laws involved, not complaining about the FDA doing it's job. The only reason the Federal government is involved is the transactions are across state lines, not because of some nefarious plot by the Obama administration. That's supposedly the whole point of the Federal Government, interstate commerce. Get a life.

11. iwog Follow Befriend (48) 273 threads 12,525 comments 47 male Lafayette, CA Premium

    11   10:51am Fri 29 Apr 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   RayAmerica says More hyperbole from our Daffy Duck. Check this out Ducky and find out the facts regarding Real Milk (which I don’t drink but see no problem providing it to American citizens that want to drink it). By the way, please cite your source that proves “hundreds of children” died every year because of NON-PASTEURIZED milk. Thanks in advance Ducky. It's called HISTORY Ray, you should read it sometime. http://www.slate.com/id/2260389

12. RayAmerica Follow Befriend (9) 120 threads 2,591 comments Burbank, CA

    12   11:04am Fri 29 Apr 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   bob2356 says complaining about the FDA doing it’s job. The FDA is doing such a wonderful job. Take food labels for just one glaring example: Food producers are allowed by the FDA to use a very misleading labeling system when it comes to disclosing fat in a product. The FDA allows fat to be labeled by percentage against the weight of a product. In order for the consumer to get the real percentage, they have to look at the calories per serving and the amount of calories of FAT per serving, then do long division in order to determine the REAL percentage of fat for the product. Example: if a product has 100 calories per serving and has 50 calories of fat per serving, the product is 50% (artery clogging) fat. And yet, the product may state that it is "97% fat free." Don't believe it? 2% Milk is thought to contain only 2% milk fat, when in reality, it typically contains 120 calories per serving with 45 calories from fat ... making it 37.5% fat. Yet the American people have been duped into believing they are consuming milk that is 98% fat free. This is true for practically every food label that contains fat ... and the FDA is "doing its job." LOL

13. marcus Follow Befriend (5) 168 threads 5,071 comments

    13   7:10pm Fri 29 Apr 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   I can't tolerate dairy well, but I'm sympathetic with the raw milk consumers. They want quality milk, and they are getting it, but it is maybe slightly risky. For the big milk producers the standard is much lower (I'll spare you the disgusting details) so with the lower quality mass produced milk, that has god knows what in it, it must be pasteurized for safety reasons.

14. mikey Follow Befriend 72 threads 693 comments

    14   9:46pm Fri 29 Apr 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   The human body does not make the enzyme lactase after about age three. Lactase is necessary to digest lactose. (milk sugar in dairy products) No mammal produces lactase after it weans. This seems to indicate that consuming milk and dairy products is virtually unnatural, not to mention the obscenely elevated and problematic fat content. Lactose intolerance has been known to cause painful intestinal bleeding in some individuals. Got indigestion?

15. elliemae Follow Befriend (25) 413 threads 6,979 comments Saint George, UT elliemae's website

    15   10:31pm Fri 29 Apr 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   mikey says Got indigestion? If I do, it's clearly the President's fault. ;)

16. Nomograph Follow Befriend (1) 104 threads 2,851 comments

    16   7:02am Sat 30 Apr 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Now that the whole Birther thing blew up in their faces, the Ray, Shrek, and the rest of AM talk radio crowd seem a bit testy. I don't think they'll get much mileage out of Pasteurgate, but it is interesting to watch them race from one distraction to the next.

17. RayAmerica Follow Befriend (9) 120 threads 2,591 comments Burbank, CA

    17   7:56am Sat 30 Apr 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   iwog says Hundreds of children used to die from milk contamination every year before pasteurization became law. Now you want to turn back the clock and start killing people again. Maybe we should "pasteurize" the medical community, being they kill about 225,000 every year in America due to malpractice, wrong medicine, etc.?? How about "pasteurizing" the alcohol industry? Every year on America's highways 20,000+ innocent people get slaughtered due entirely to drunk drivers. What do you think Ducky?

18. Nomograph Follow Befriend (1) 104 threads 2,851 comments

    18   9:41am Sat 30 Apr 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   RayAmerica says Maybe we should “pasteurize” the medical community, being they kill about 225,000 every year in America due to malpractice, wrong medicine, etc.?? How about “pasteurizing” the alcohol industry? Every year on America’s highways 20,000+ innocent people get slaughtered due entirely to drunk drivers. I don't think Conservatives have any real ideas anymore.

19. iwog Follow Befriend (48) 273 threads 12,525 comments 47 male Lafayette, CA Premium

    19   9:55am Sat 30 Apr 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   Nomograph says I don’t think Conservatives have any real ideas anymore. I think that's exactly right.

20. bob2356 Follow Befriend 2 threads 2,497 comments

    20   10:10am Sat 30 Apr 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   RayAmerica says bob2356 says complaining about the FDA doing it’s job. The FDA is doing such a wonderful job. Take food labels for just one glaring example: RayAmerica says Maybe we should “pasteurize” the medical community, being they kill about 225,000 every year in America due to malpractice, wrong medicine, etc.?? How about “pasteurizing” the alcohol industry? Every year on America’s highways 20,000+ innocent people get slaughtered due entirely to drunk drivers. What do you think Ducky? What possible relevance does this stuff have to the post about the Amish violating the law in DC against selling raw milk? It's a simple concept that even you should grasp Ray. The Amish knowingly violated the law. The FDA/Justice department upheld the law. What part don't you understand? You can't have it both ways. If the FDA had allowed this to continue with impunity then you would have screamed "OBAMA DOESN"T ENFORCE THE LAWS". Your 24/7 obsession with Obama just isn't healthy. Using swat team tactics on an Amish farm is pretty silly, but that seems to be the modus operandi for all forms of law enforcement actions no matter how trivial in the US these days. A leftover mentality from the neocon Bush/Cheney years that I had hoped Obama would do something about. Hey Ray, why don't you post on Obama's failure to do anything about heavy handed law enforcement and all pervasive government obsession with keeping public records secret. That's a real failing (one of many) of the Obama administration. Naw, never happened. Conservative love secrecy and heavy handed law enforcement.

21. RayAmerica Follow Befriend (9) 120 threads 2,591 comments Burbank, CA

    21   10:23am Sat 30 Apr 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   bob2356 says Hey Ray, why don’t you post on Obama’s failure to do anything about heavy handed law enforcement and all pervasive government obsession with keeping public records secret. That’s a real failing (one of many) of the Obama administration. Great idea. But I have posted repeatedly on Obama's lack of transparency http://patrick.net/forum/?p=500645 ... something he repeatedly campaigned on. As far as "heavy handed law enforcement," I would say, to use your words "using swat team tactics on an Amish farm" would constitute heavy handed law enforcement, wouldn't you agree? Another point you might consider; Obama's war expansion tactics in the Middle East. The Left contantly attacked Bush for the same tactics, but fell strangely silent when Obama took over and kept the same Neocon policies.

22. bob2356 Follow Befriend 2 threads 2,497 comments

    22   10:42am Sat 30 Apr 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   So back to my original question. The Amish knowingly violated the law, FDA/Justice stepped in and stopped it. Why is that some kind of failing for the Obama government? I have no trouble imagining what would you have posted if the "Obama government" had ignored a clear violation of the law. You can't have it both ways. Where are your posts about the lack of transparency in the "Bush government"? You don't even begin to see the problem with your obsession with criticizing Obama for doing many of the same things that you approved of Bush doing do you? They are both pretty poor presidents in my opinion. Bush marginally worse just because his entire administration was so secretive, vicious, and mean spirited.

23. MarkInSF Follow Befriend 14 threads 1,118 comments

    23   12:30pm Sat 30 Apr 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   bob2356 says Using swat team tactics RayAmerica says I would say, to use your words “using swat team tactics on an Amish farm” would constitute heavy handed law enforcement, wouldn’t you agree? How in the world is a surprise inspection, followed by going to court a "swat team" tactic?

24. iwog Follow Befriend (48) 273 threads 12,525 comments 47 male Lafayette, CA Premium

    24   12:32pm Sat 30 Apr 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected   MarkInSF says How in the world is a surprise inspection, followed by going to court a “swat team” tactic? Don't forget the violent letter telling them to knock it off.

25. elliemae Follow Befriend (25) 413 threads 6,979 comments Saint George, UT elliemae's website

    25   12:57pm Sat 30 Apr 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Well, some people are mad as hell and simply aren't gonna take it any more. They're not sure what "it" is, but a quick search can turn up anything. Obama's responsible for gas prices (even tho they were higher under Bush's second term, even without factoring in inflation), the recession (created long before Obama took office), bailouts (Bush era), the extensions of bush era tax cuts to the super wealthy, and many, many more. Personally, I blame Obama for the lousy cell service in rural areas. Of course, I shall now add to my list of Obamatravesties all things milk related, including that I can't find Strawberry Quick on the shelves of my grocery store. That's simply not acceptable. Trolls are angry little buggers who simply want to say nasty stuff so that they can create drama - and when they're unoriginal and unable to begin a thread that people will post to, they hijack others. If they're placed on "ignore" and truly ignored, the forum is a lot more fun. Or we can continue to respond to silliness. 'sup to ya'll.

26. RayAmerica Follow Befriend (9) 120 threads 2,591 comments Burbank, CA

    26   3:51pm Sat 30 Apr 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   MarkInSF says How in the world is a surprise inspection, followed by going to court a “swat team” tactic? You'll have to ask "Bob" that one. LOL

27. bob2356 Follow Befriend 2 threads 2,497 comments

    27   4:15pm Sat 30 Apr 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   MarkInSF says bob2356 says Using swat team tactics RayAmerica says I would say, to use your words “using swat team tactics on an Amish farm” would constitute heavy handed law enforcement, wouldn’t you agree? How in the world is a surprise inspection, followed by going to court a “swat team” tactic? The article I read originally about this, I don't remember who published it, said that they went in with a police team, which I thought was pretty surprising. It would appear that was incorrect information. Mea Culpa. Hey Ray, want to answer my original question?