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$368/month for gas

By Vicente   Follow   Thu, 5 May 2011, 8:36am   9,576 views   93 comments
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IMO here's your "inflation":

http://money.cnn.com/2011/05/05/news/economy/gas_prices_income_spending/index.htm?source=cnn_bin&hpt=Sbin

Everything you buy, is transported all over the place. Result of "just in time" inventory is trucks rolling half-full inefficiently because we need another 50 pairs of shoes and stretch pants shipped from distribution center right now. Expect the prices on all the little items you buy (and thus notice daily) to continue creeping up.

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1. Elbow Follow Befriend 1 comments

   14   11:27am Fri 6 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   You sheeple are a bunch of whiners. If gas price is too high why dont you do something about it instead of blaming the man. The problem isn't energy use, high energy use is a sign of a growing economy, the issue is that you expect everything to always be the same. Damn entitlement mentality Yea, I am writing this from my Ipad.

2. jetbay Follow Befriend 2 comments Oakland, CA

   15   11:40am Fri 6 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   "justme" ... USA uses 4x as per capita as the rest of the western world, not only because of our less efficient vehicles but mostly because of suburban sprawl with our 1+ acre housing lots and endless strip malls. Most people in western countries live in apartments or townhouses in walkable areas without much suburban sprawl. Its either city or farm and countryside, not much in between. Many places in Europe also tax the car based on the size on the engine, or have higher gas taxes or both. I bet the tax on a 5.0 V8 is huge.

3. Rich Follow Befriend 3 comments

   16   2:40pm Fri 6 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike (1)   In 2010 I only drove 3831 miles and used 89 gallons. That is $19.58/month. It's hard to believe that's it but I keep good records. And my car has averaged 43mpg since I've owned it for the past 2 years. Since my gas usage is so small someone else is buying the rest of my average share.

4. pkennedy Follow Befriend (8) 28 threads 1,349 comments Redwood City, CA

   17   3:40pm Fri 6 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Gas taxes more than pay for the roads, infrastructure and what not. In fact, the taxes are used to fund many projects. If you pay $5/G in taxes and burn 1G you pay $5. If you pay 30 cents/G in taxes but burn up 20G, you pay more. Tire pressure effects mileage by about 5%, driving slower or less eradict can be 10-30% or more. My EPA was 28mpg on my car, but on the highway I could get 39 due to a less aggressive driving style. My new car gets about 17mpg average, and it's a small sedan. ah well, it's fun.

5. justme Follow Befriend (2) 33 threads 3,496 comments

   18   4:04pm Fri 6 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   Rich says In 2010 I only drove 3831 miles and used 89 gallons. That is $19.58/month. It’s hard to believe that’s it but I keep good records. And my car has averaged 43mpg since I’ve owned it for the past 2 years. Since my gas usage is so small someone else is buying the rest of my average share. Rich, you got me beat. I drove 4289 miles and averaged ~30mpg. My next car will be better.

6. justme Follow Befriend (2) 33 threads 3,496 comments

   19   4:33pm Fri 6 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (1)   jetbay says not only because of our less efficient vehicles but mostly because of suburban sprawl with our 1+ acre housing lots and endless strip malls. MOSTLY because of sprawl? I don't think so. I think the efficiency (MPG) is the biggest factor. I know there is a stat on Vehicle Miles Driven, and with some work maybe we can find one for European countries. Then we'll know with more certainty.

7. kiatoa Follow Befriend 9 comments Tempe, AZ kiatoa's website

   20   5:02pm Fri 6 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   pkennedy says Gas taxes more than pay for the roads, infrastructure and what not. In fact, the taxes are used to fund many projects. I couldn't find any reputable links that support your claim that gas taxes cover the costs of roads and so forth. http://www.ospirg.org/news-releases/transportation/transportation-news/myth-busted-roads-not-paid-for-by-gas-taxes Please share if you have something of interest.

8. kiatoa Follow Befriend 9 comments Tempe, AZ kiatoa's website

   21   6:01pm Fri 6 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike (1)   Vicente says You’ll pay what you must, because for most Americans the need for gasoline to continue living the burbclave lifestyle makes demand inelastic. Oh sure they’ll drive a little slower, maybe check their tire pressure and knock a whopping 1% off their usage. What makes you think Americans will consume enough less to matter? When has drops in consumer usage EVER significantly driven down gas prices? “Eagles are dandified vultures” - Teddy Roosevelt The last big oil price bubble saw large changes; bus ridership jumped dramatically (at least here in Phoenix), small car sales jumped, moron vehicles sat on sales lots and didn't move, the number of scooters, bicycles and skateboards was visibly higher. The so called inelastic demand for oil is a myth, or at most a transient effect. Given a little time people adapt quite well. We waste most of our oil, coal and gas here in the US because it is priced absurdly low.

9. common_sense Follow Befriend 34 comments

   22   6:33pm Fri 6 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Maybe this will be the resurrection of rail freight and the demise of just-in-time. Perhaps that's why Buffett bought Burlington Northern

10. common_sense Follow Befriend 34 comments

    23   6:36pm Fri 6 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   terriDeaner says justme says Let’s do the math: 368/4=92gals/month. How on earth does the *average* household manage to consume 92 gals of gasoline/oil in 1 month, even with 2 cars? That’s insane. But we knew that already. Americans consumes 4x as much gasoline per capita as the rest of the western world. I suppose by driving 92gal * 20 mpg (US avg) = 1820 miles per month or 910 miles per month per car (2) So at ~22 work days per month, assuming no driving on the weekend, this would be a 40 mile round trip (20 miles each way). I wonder what the difference in commuting distance is between the US and Germany… Europe has a robust public transportation network - no need to use a car most days. Also, little in the way of suburbs so people can walk to the rail station or to work.

11. common_sense Follow Befriend 34 comments

    24   6:39pm Fri 6 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   cc0 says I’ve been wondering what would happen if you were not allowed to trade futures. That is, you could write them, and you could buy them, but trading was forbidden. That person buying a futures contract for 10,000 barrels of oil would be forced to take delivery of the oil and sell it on the open market. You’d see the prices of everything drop about 20% within days, I bet. I agree. Commodities plummeted this week mostly due to margin calls.

12. common_sense Follow Befriend 34 comments

    25   6:49pm Fri 6 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   justme says jetbay says not only because of our less efficient vehicles but mostly because of suburban sprawl with our 1+ acre housing lots and endless strip malls. MOSTLY because of sprawl? I don’t think so. I think the efficiency (MPG) is the biggest factor. I know there is a stat on Vehicle Miles Driven, and with some work maybe we can find one for European countries. Then we’ll know with more certainty. Smaller cars in Europe too, even cute little 3 wheel cars. How much vehicle does one need anyway to pick up groceries? I drove all over the UK last year and found that even though gas cost twice as much there (after converting for litres and currency) my converted cost was the same as driving the same mileage in the US in my 1999 Toyota 4Runner. Which would make the car I rented there twice as efficient as my 4Runner...

13. Patrick Follow Befriend (54) 5,239 threads 6,173 comments 46 male Menlo Park, CA Premium

    26   7:56pm Fri 6 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   Protected   I read somewhere that more than half of gasoline is wasted as heat. Only a relatively small portion is used to actually move the car. So efficiency is a potential area for huge savings.

14. pkennedy Follow Befriend (8) 28 threads 1,349 comments Redwood City, CA

    27   8:18pm Fri 6 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   About 30% of the energy from gas gets to the tires, the rest is lost in heat, and friction elsewhere. That being said, the way engines are built, and our expectations of those engines, doesn't leave us a huge amount of room for efficiency improvements there. There are enough people out there working on that problem, that it's clearly not that easy to solve. Ford would rather invest in a better gas engine and beat the prius, than build electric cars. If they could, they would. Lighter cars, more aerodynamic, and computers that will fight bad drivers habits and "waste" would probably help the most. While I can get 39mpg on a car rated at 28mpg, many people can't even get epa. That's a pretty massive gap right there! Obviously the biggest savings would be to move slightly closer to work, play, entertainment and shopping to avoid many of the miles we drive.

15. kiatoa Follow Befriend 9 comments Tempe, AZ kiatoa's website

    28   8:24pm Fri 6 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Patrick says I read somewhere that more than half of gasoline is wasted as heat. Only a relatively small portion is used to actually move the car. So efficiency is a potential area for huge savings. True to a point, roughly 30% of the fuel from a gasoline engine actually makes you move, maybe as much as 45% with a diesel engine. The laws of thermodynamics won't let you get a lot better than that using any known combustion technology. Fuel cells could theoretically get us to maybe 80% but not for cheap. I think we are at or very near to the point of diminishing returns on improvements with automotive technology. Shoving X square meters of frontal area through the air at 120 kph takes lots of energy. Best you can do is move a lot of stuff at one time with the same frontal area - i.e. use a train!

16. terriDeaner Follow Befriend (7) 70 threads 1,151 comments

    29   10:49pm Fri 6 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   kiatoa says True to a point, roughly 30% of the fuel from a gasoline engine actually makes you move, maybe as much as 45% with a diesel engine. The laws of thermodynamics won’t let you get a lot better than that using any known combustion technology. Fuel cells could theoretically get us to maybe 80% but not for cheap. Right on... pesky thermodynamics!

17. ¥ Follow Befriend 35 threads 5,700 comments Bellingham, WA

    30   11:13pm Fri 6 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   kiatoa says So, pretty much the only thing that will save us from self-annihilation is to actually run out of oil. BTW, the solution for those who haven’t read my rants before, simply tax the oil and thus take the unearned profits and return them to the people. you sir, have a solid grasp of economics, if I may say so. . . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severance_tax jetbay says Many places in Europe also tax the car based on the size on the engine, or have higher gas taxes or both. I bet the tax on a 5.0 V8 is huge. On CR I was going on how great Norway is, as is my wont, and some guy popped up that he had a Norwegian coworker who fled here because he was unhappy with the tax regime on cars. So I went to Oslo Toyota to confirm this, and I was shocked! A fully loaded Prius is $63,000 -- a V8 Landcruiser is $270,000! kiatoa says I think we are at or very near to the point of diminishing returns on improvements with automotive technology. nah, there's still tons of stuff to do. We have yet to really economize on the stuff outside the car. Once we fully electrify things we'll be carrying less mass in motion, which is good. There's a desperate need to increase range and less battery mass. Not sure the world has enough copper to actually electrify roadways, but we might figure out something to get energy to cars better. I'm pretty sure that by the turn of the century we'll be entraining cars on every trip -- there won't be a driver in cars any more.

18. terriDeaner Follow Befriend (7) 70 threads 1,151 comments

    31   11:50pm Fri 6 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (1)   Troy says nah, there’s still tons of stuff to do. We have yet to really economize on the stuff outside the car. It surely looks like that now... but we did know how to do that in the past, and it looked GOOD.

19. Vicente Follow Befriend (8) 209 threads 4,509 comments Davis, CA

    32   6:55am Sat 7 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Patrick says I read somewhere that more than half of gasoline is wasted as heat. Only a relatively small portion is used to actually move the car. So efficiency is a potential area for huge savings. It's worse than half. The common ICE about 62% is straight out loss but not all heat, some of it is simple friction loss etc, energy expended to move fresh air in and exhaust out (sustain the cycle) and so on. I was really reminded of the waste heat the other day when after a long drive I parked my car in a cold garage. When I came out to the garage to get something from trunk a bit later it was quite warm in there as all the heat still shedding from the block & manifold made it hot and stuffy. Diesel engines are better, but here in America we hate diesels in cars for some reason.

20. spudbuddy Follow Befriend 6 comments spudbuddy's website

    33   7:05am Sat 7 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   triple-take headshake: half-empty trucks guzzling like drunks, while warehouses crumble... (the ones where the jobbers used to supply retail from) - the ones that used to employ a lotta folks stuck in McJobs now. Wasteful is the new North American industry. Send in the clowns. Whoever is still making a living by selling fuel is still smilin', I'm sure. But the final kick in the pants is convincing the public that this is still, um, necessary? The whole concept of contraction brings on a tantrum of heroic proportions. That gas bill has doubled in two years (and they're still blowing smoke about a recovery.)

21. Bitcoins arent the future? Follow Befriend (1) 20 threads 174 comments Beverly Hills, CA

    34   7:53am Sat 7 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   1. The gov't says that gas does not count in inflation. So, this is not inflation, DUH. Just because you're paying more for the same thing is only half of the qualification for inflation. The other half is that the gov't must approve of calling said price increase inflation. So, write your congressman if you want to call this inflation. 2.The solution for the next 30 years will involve the decentralization of the main engine to the wheels. Rotary engines are much more efficient and lighter. They will make sure they can sell us every last drop of oil before we move to another tech. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42460541/ns/technology_and_science-innovation/

22. terriDeaner Follow Befriend (7) 70 threads 1,151 comments

    35   12:17pm Sat 7 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   Bubble Bobble says They will make sure they can sell us every last drop of oil before we move to another tech. I'd agree with this.

23. bob2356 Follow Befriend 3 threads 2,564 comments

    36   12:55pm Sat 7 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Vicente says Diesel engines are better, but here in America we hate diesels in cars for some reason. Diesel fuel in the US is taxed higher than gas. In europe diesel is taxed lower than gas, a lot lower on the order of a dollar a gallon in many countries. There are extra costs to manufacturing a diesel engine, which needs stronger crank, rods, pistons, head, starter, battery as well as a very high pressure fuel injection system. You will never make up the difference in the extra cost of the car with higher mileage in the US. They are louder, slower, and most gas stations don't have a diesel pump so why would anyone buy one if it's not going to be any cheaper? People don't hate them, it just doesn't make any sense to buy one.

24. bob2356 Follow Befriend 3 threads 2,564 comments

    37   1:14pm Sat 7 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   Bubble Bobble says 2.The solution for the next 30 years will involve the decentralization of the main engine to the wheels. Rotary engines are much more efficient and lighter. They will make sure they can sell us every last drop of oil before we move to another tech. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42460541/ns/technology_and_science-innovation/ I certainly hope the wave disk engine works out, but it's an awful long road from a proof of concept to a working production engine that will last 300,000 miles, meet emissions standards, and be produced at a price that is marketable. Many have tried to supplant the basic four stroke engine for the last 100 years and all have failed with the exception of the rotary, which is a very very thirsty little devil that has so far been limited to high performance applications that disregard fuel economy. The wave disk engine looks to me like it will have massive problems with seals and need very expensive alloys similar to turbines to be viable.

25. no2foreclosures Follow Befriend 1 threads 10 comments

    38   6:10pm Sat 7 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Mark my words: When the price of diesel hits $5 a gallon this 2011 summer, the trucking industry will grind down to a halt. Truckers that move everything from organic veggies to toilet paper to dog food will stop driving as was almost the case in late 2008 when a barrel of oil was around $150. Now, what are you doing to do? As for me, I am going to make ethanol as a clean, renewable fuel in a small scale and make food in greenhouses (veggies grown in CO2 enriched greenhouses, fishes, mushrooms, earthworms, etc.). Check this out: www.LiquidEnergyOasis.com and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qZPwBPAqks&feature=related

26. Kevin eats cheese Follow Befriend 5 comments

    39   7:44pm Sat 7 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Everything is completely affordable (you should definitely buy that second home you want honey). Everyone also needs to go on a drive for their vacation (as far as possible, yeah baby). Everything is just wonderful today....

27. Vicente Follow Befriend (8) 209 threads 4,509 comments Davis, CA

    40   8:00pm Sat 7 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   no2foreclosures, You were saying about diesel? Thimble fledge could applecart...... must be distracted by something....

28. michaelsch Follow Befriend 21 threads 581 comments South Pasadena, CA

    41   4:30pm Mon 9 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Well, put it in a perspective. $400/Month for a household with two relatively new cars. Is it really much? Two mid-size cars cost on average 45-$50K. They are usually replaced by a middle class family more often than after 5 years. This is about $4500 a year. On top of this there are $2000-$3000 (much more than that in California) spent on insurance, maintenance, interest on car loans, licenses, fees, parking, tickets, etc. It all adds up to more than $7000/year or about $600 a month. So gas prices are still less than 40% of car expenses. To become the majority of the transportation cost they must jump to $6-$7/gallon. IMO, gas is still dirt cheep.

29. kapone Follow Befriend 5 threads 93 comments Rockville, MD

    42   10:26pm Wed 11 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   jetbay says “justme” … USA uses 4x as per capita as the rest of the western world, not only because of our less efficient vehicles but mostly because of suburban sprawl with our 1+ acre housing lots and endless strip malls. Most people in western countries live in apartments or townhouses in walkable areas without much suburban sprawl. Its either city or farm and countryside, not much in between. Many places in Europe also tax the car based on the size on the engine, or have higher gas taxes or both. I bet the tax on a 5.0 V8 is huge. While the whole concept of "endless strip malls" and "burbs" is a probably a topic for another time... :) Lemme throw in a contrarian view. Yes, we have our 1 acre lots vs close in apartment buildings and townhouses. Why shouldn't we? This IS America, lest we forget. Living in the world's foremost economic power has its pros and cons, but let's not forget that there IS a difference between America and a third world country. It's fairly evident. Now, between Europe and America? That gets a bit more fuzzy...but I'll leave with you a parting thought. While the average person in Europe (or certain parts of it) may feel "happier" overall, their lifestyle is not the same as the average American, who may be "unhappier", but has a different (for better or worse) lifestyle. I'll pick a cheesy example. Who in Europe or America wouldn't wanna drive nice V8 powered sports car? How much does it cost on both sides of the Atlantic? :) You have your answer. While there is a lot of "brainwashing" in America, Europe's not a whole lot better either.

30. Vicente Follow Befriend (8) 209 threads 4,509 comments Davis, CA

    43   10:42pm Wed 11 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   kapone says let’s not forget that there IS a difference between America and a third world country. The peasants here are deluded that the streets are paved with gold?

31. kapone Follow Befriend 5 threads 93 comments Rockville, MD

    44   11:00pm Wed 11 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   Vicente says kapone says let’s not forget that there IS a difference between America and a third world country. The peasants here are deluded that the streets are paved with gold? “Eagles are dandified vultures” - Teddy Roosevelt I would say, unlikely, but I think they do believe that we won't get invaded/attacked anytime soon. Does that happen now and then? Yes. But compared to the rest of the world, America is relatively much much safer. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not expounding that everything is "right" with the US, but where I'm going is that there quite a few "rights" (vs wrongs) that exist in US, vs the rest of the world. There's a price to pay for that. Now, that being said, I do think quite a few folks in DC need to be publicly shot/beheaded to hold them accountable. Greenspan comes to mind as the first candidate....

32. Vicente Follow Befriend (8) 209 threads 4,509 comments Davis, CA

    45   11:14pm Wed 11 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   kapone says I think they do believe that we won’t get invaded/attacked anytime soon. According to quite a few people I know the invasion is already over with. Socialists and "brown people" run the show. Oh wait I forgot gays.

33. kapone Follow Befriend 5 threads 93 comments Rockville, MD

    46   11:17pm Wed 11 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Vicente says kapone says I think they do believe that we won’t get invaded/attacked anytime soon. According to quite a few people I know the invasion is already over with. Socialists and “brown people” run the show. Oh wait I forgot gays. “Eagles are dandified vultures” - Teddy Roosevelt That may be, but that doesn't mean that the average person on the street lives in fear of being killed. Go to parts of middle east, Asia, Africa, Europe, former Soviet Union and what not, and people live with "real" fear. Not imagined or economic or anything, but real fear that they may get killed anytime.

34. Cypher Follow Befriend 4 comments

    47   11:48pm Wed 11 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Maybe if Americans can ween themselves off of gas guzzling SUVs they wouldn't whine so much when gas prices fluctuate. Americans have always invented a need in their minds for bigger. No sympathy from me.

35. TechGromit Follow Befriend (6) 85 threads 971 comments 44 male Egg Harbor City, NJ

    48   1:29pm Thu 12 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   The average MPG for American automobiles is about 22 MPG, while it true some cars get much better gas mileage and other gets get much worse mileage, the overall average is 22 MPG. Not too bad huh, compare that to the overall average of 43 MPG in Europe, the United States is lagging far behind in conservation. So if 178 million gallons of gasoline is consumed every day, and we import 65% of that, switching over to more fuel efficient cars like Europe, we could cut our consumption by almost 50%!

36. Sean7593 Follow Befriend 5 threads 62 comments Mammoth Lakes, CA

    49   5:49pm Thu 12 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   I drive a diesel pickup that gets about 15 mpg. I just bought new tires for it ($835) and am driving more slowly, and not accelerating so quickly, to maximize my mpg and tire life. I think fuel prices are still pretty cheap. I have been trying to cut out the waste in my lifestyle, which costs me a lot more than the recent increase in diesel. For example, I don't like washing the dishes, and would buy new ones when the old ones got dirty. I have something like 28 teflon-coated frying pans because of that. Not to mention plates and bowls and utensils. There is a lot of waste in our society, and many opportunities for us to cut out waste and inefficiencies.

37. terriDeaner Follow Befriend (7) 70 threads 1,151 comments

    50   10:37pm Thu 12 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Sean7593 says For example, I don’t like washing the dishes, and would buy new ones when the old ones got dirty. I have something like 28 teflon-coated frying pans because of that. Not to mention plates and bowls and utensils. There is a lot of waste in our society, and many opportunities for us to cut out waste and inefficiencies. Kudos to you! BTW - you probably saved yourself some money by not wasting wash water on all of those dirty dishes anyhow. Here's another tip on how to save money on your water bill: try to stop pooping. Start by gradually eating less every day, until you are no longer consuming any food. Less waste all around = greater efficiency. Bonus: cheaper food bill!

38. American in Japan Follow Befriend (28) 149 threads 1,398 comments

    51   2:55am Fri 13 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   >"So if 178 million gallons of gasoline is consumed every day, and we import 65% of that, switching over to more fuel efficient cars like Europe, we could cut our consumption by almost 50%!” I think most Americans won't have it (switiching to better mileage cars). Many Americans are willing to change presidents because of the price of gasoline alone!

39. seaside Follow Befriend (3) 34 threads 696 comments Alexandria, VA

    52   7:07am Fri 13 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   TechGromit says the overall average of 43 MPG in Europe I know they're working on efficiency and the stuff though, I can hardly believe they some how able to archieve almost twice the efficiency. 33MPG? I can take it, but 43... well... can that MPG possible even w/ hybrid? Or is that 43km/gal or something?

40. ih8alameda Follow Befriend 7 threads 36 comments

    53   7:33am Fri 13 May 2011   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   seaside says TechGromit says the overall average of 43 MPG in Europe I know they’re working on efficiency and the stuff though, I can hardly believe they some how able to archieve almost twice the efficiency. 33MPG? I can take it, but 43… well… can that MPG possible even w/ hybrid? Or is that 43km/gal or something? I think you are forgetting that their cars are much smaller physically and have much smaller engines. They were running smarts, minis, Benz a cars, Honda fit/jazz light years before it became available in the states. Many models sold in the us actually have larger seats than the same models in the restbof the world, larger seats people, please stop eating like pigs and go out and exercise!!

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