Social effects of the bubble


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Per Jamie's request

What kind of social impact do you think there has been by the bubble? Are people any different because of the wealth effect? What about the social impact on people who have not bought into the RE market? Do you think what we are seeing is predictable human behavior that will occur again in the next bubble?

Is there a social impact we haven't discussed yet?

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  1. surfer-x


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    544   3:52pm Mon 17 Oct 2005   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    JuJu, or Phoung, dude, learn some freaking grammar! Perhaps spending some of that equity to hire an english tutor might be your best investment ever!

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    545   3:59pm Mon 17 Oct 2005   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    House party on the social effects thread! Surfer-X, you bring the forty-ounce.

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    546   4:32pm Mon 17 Oct 2005   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Don't let the smooth taste fool ya.

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    547   8:10pm Mon 17 Oct 2005   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Peter P, you bring the sushi. Sacto, you bring the phat ride. I'll bring da music...I've got a Parliament album around here somewhere.

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    548   10:24pm Tue 18 Oct 2005   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    so they must make fun of people who already own and is set for life.

    I feel so sorry for you, I think you meant, "so they must make fun of people who already own and are set for life".

    You really really should consider improving your 8th grade English skills.

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    549   10:27pm Tue 18 Oct 2005   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    You are interesting group of people. As soon as somebody disagress with you and you no longer can argue with logic you start to use word like “fuck” and “asshole” and all other profanities and you accuse them of being a same person…

    Please do not use broad generalizations. Most people here do not insult anyone who disagrees, we choose to refute the arguments with the vast amount of information out there that backs up our point of view. You can choose to disagree, but when you're arrogant and insulting, you're going to get the feedback you object to.

    Many people here have zero debt and investments in other places than RE. To assume that we're jealous seems to be a defense mechanism on your part and makes you seem insecure about your RE ownership. I can't help but wonder if your loans are adjustable, and maybe you're worried.

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    550   11:18pm Tue 18 Oct 2005   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    juju, phuong, phoung, punk, whatever you wanna be called...nobody here gives a rat's ass about you. Come or go, who cares. But if you try to put on some sorts of makeup, disguises, making up stories about properties you don't have, etc., please do everyone a favor and make those stories more believable next time. Okie dokie.

    I can't believe I work my ass off just to make about $10k a month, stock and bonuses, zero debt, while juju just sits tight, looks pretty (ok, maybe not pretty, but, well, it's juju, what can you say), carrying close to $600k in option ARM, and makes 70% of my income a month off the same roof he's living under. God, yeah, I'm just soooooooooooo jealous :-)

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    551   11:24pm Tue 18 Oct 2005   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    >but it is very difficult to get more information without court order. I >have tried it in the past. Almost got in trouble once because they >told me that it is invasion of privacy. but if you do it secretly, you >should be ok.

    Bull excrement.

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    552   10:28pm Wed 19 Oct 2005   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Juju

    I can't help but feel you're missing the point somehow. I hope you don't get burned, I really do. There are times to rent and there are times to buy. Just because you got lucky doesn't mean you're bulletproof, or a genius. The market will most definitely not take off in the spring. If you take your own advice and buy, then you will get screwed and then I won't feel sorry for you because then you will have just made a stupid move against all signs to the contrary.

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    553   11:02pm Wed 19 Oct 2005   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    juju, I find your so-called "logic" hilarious. It's easy to go back in time and tell someone "you should've done this" and "you should've done that". Too bad I don't own a time machine. If I did, boy oh boy, how I would show ya.

    By your logic, I could tell you that you should've bough SUNW in 1998 and sold on January 2000, and you would've been set for life. Unless you're too dense to be observant, the housing market has reached its peak and is in its decline. Talking about making 70% of my income a month, while having the Sword of Damocles of option ARM hanging above your head is not sound investment. Thank you very much. I'd rather work my ass off at Adobe, making $10k a month with no debts, and maybe buy some stock at this time rather than trying to be as "smart" as you are.

    What does my employer have anything to do with this? Did Adobe fire you for not "fitting in"? You're the one that tries to pass off as a Vietnamese guy working at Adobe. Why, what for? Nobody gives a damn. But since your stories have never checked out, you've turned out to be a nuisance, and your sole purpose in this blog has been self-defeating.

    I'll never take an investment advice from someone who can barely write, with multiple mediocre disguises, and talking about basic stuff like IP addresses as if it were some vewy, vewy complicated topic. You're also mixing me with surfer-x too, that's another amazing feat.

    Do me a favor, buy another house, with optional ARM! We'll love to hear more from you a year from now.

    See? No insulting, just best wishes.

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    554   12:26pm Thu 20 Oct 2005   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected  

    You are set for life because you can either sell the other house or just let the bank take it.

    Sorry, you lose the non-recourse protection in cash-out refinances. If something looks too good to be true, it is actually too bad to be bearable.

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    555   12:27pm Thu 20 Oct 2005   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected  

    Must feed the troll. Must feed the thread bubble...

    Oops, did I say b.... There is no thread bubble!

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    556   12:35pm Thu 20 Oct 2005   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    I concur there is no thread bubble.

    Sword of Damocles of option ARM

    Nice, very very nice.

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    557   2:04pm Thu 20 Oct 2005   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Must feed the troll. Must feed the thread bubble…

    Oops, did I say b…. There is no thread bubble!

    Lol

    This is one occasion where feeding the troll works to our advantage.
    Here's to the neverending thread!

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    558   10:28am Fri 21 Oct 2005   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Yes, bull excrement does tend to pass. Too funny Newsfreak.

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    559   9:41am Sat 22 Oct 2005   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    There is no Fuchs and no thread bubble. Long live Mr. Fuchs, long live the thread.

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    560   4:57pm Sat 22 Oct 2005   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    let me tell you about difference between stocks and real estate.

    Don't they offer English courses in Troll-Ville? If so, perhaps you might want to explore actually learning how to compose a literate sentence.

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    561   8:37pm Sat 22 Oct 2005   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    if i have 2 houses than it will be paid off sooner because i can refinance one to pay off the other.

    I just love your logic, ok here goes, I have two houses, each are "valued" at 200K, each goes up by 200K, I refi the first and take out 200K and pay off the second, well now I owe 400K on the first. How exactly does this pay the houses off any quicker? Oh, now I get it, you are going to sell the second house to someone you know and default on the note, as home loans are no recourse, you defraud the bank and walk with 400K. Great, now you can afford some fucking English lessons.

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    562   11:29pm Sat 22 Oct 2005   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Juju

    You claim your arguments are logical, but come on! Only an idiot would buy right now. But hey, go ahead and prove us wrong. Buy as many properties as you can as soon as possible. Take out as much equity as you possibly can and buy the biggest property you can find. After all, the bigger it is, the bigger the profit. Right?

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    563   9:52pm Sun 23 Oct 2005   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    refinance again in 5 years to take another 400K out. do you understand now? but you may sell if you want. there is no tax on it for $500K profit

    You are a fucking idiot, here let me explain it to you in broken Enrish so maybe understand you will, if take equity loan, money not yours, money banks, debt not same as wealth, own nothing you do, bank own, you owe. If get equity loan, not free tax, Uncle Sam mad at you.

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    564   10:13pm Sun 23 Oct 2005   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    you rent out the house with the mortgage and have people like you rent it out and pay for the mortgage. that way you can refinance again in 5 years to take another 400K out. do you understand now? but you may sell if you want. there is no tax on it for $500K profit. not bad considering that when you buy that house, you only put in 10 to 20%. you make money off bank money and you pay no tax on it. there is very little down side.

    I think you're just baiting us now. There is no way you could possibly believe this. You cannot buy a house now and get enough rent to cover the mortgage unless you put a ton of money down on the house, and you're still paying waaaaaaaay too much. Millionaires are not buying houses right now, they know better. The speculators in the market at this moment are Johnny Come Lately's who don't know any better. Ring a bell? The downside is coming whether you choose to believe it or not. But please, buy more properties, I'm begging you.

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    565   1:14am Mon 24 Oct 2005   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Juju, I appreciate your good-hearted nature. In the world of blogging, you advise perfect strangers like us the best and fool-proof way to make money, which is to pour money into buying houses at the peak, with 0% down, by using home equity and optiona ARM loans. Fantastic. And you share with us your success stories without asking for anything in return. If making money out of real estate ALWAYS works the way you preach, why isn't everyone doing it? Are the rest of the world dumb, and there's only you who are the smart one?

    Nah, that doesn't sound right to me. How about this alternative theory: I think you're a pissed-off realtor(tm) who's getting really desperate recently. Your houses have been listed for at least three months, with no takers, and the sellers insist on selling them over $700k. You beg and beg and beg, and they lower them to 3% less. You know that it won't help because if people can barely afford houses at 4% Option ARM's, they can't afford buying at 6% Option ARM, even the sellers are "flexible" enough to give a 3% discount.

    So, you've decided to come (back) here, posting nonesense, hoping to convert some people. Well, the two guys you have converted may actually be someone in your family (stupidity is hereditary), so you may as well end up shootin' yourself in the foot.

    Keep entertain it. Some of us will come back and give you some good hurtin' whenever we feel we need some more entertainment.

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    566   10:21am Mon 24 Oct 2005   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Juju

    Here's an article you should read. It proves the point that RE investors who know anything are getting out of the market right now. You'd be wise to pay attention.

    http://money.cnn.com/2005/10/21/news/newsmakers/barrack/index.htm?cnn=yes

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    567   10:44pm Mon 24 Oct 2005   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected  

    Juju, we love you!

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    568   10:45pm Mon 24 Oct 2005   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected  

    Juju, we love you!

    Huh? Why did I say that. By the way, the "Huh?" thread has surpassed this one in terms of kommet count. Let's blow that thread b... balloon instead.

    Bye juju.

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    569   10:12pm Tue 25 Oct 2005   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    "Juju, we love you!

    Huh? Why did I say that."

    Because it has such a nice ring to it?

    Because Juju needs to feel the love?

    Because there is no thread bubble?

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    570   11:34pm Wed 26 Oct 2005   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected  

    This thread is petering out. Huh? is still strong. Perhaps this is a case of rolling thread boom?

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    571   12:32pm Fri 28 Oct 2005   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Phong Nuygen Says:

    October 4th, 2005 at 9:49 am e

    Is it just me or does anybody else notice that practically all response to my posts come in bunches, within few minutes of each other… under a different name.

    I still content that there are only 2 to 4 posters on this board.

    juju Says:

    October 27th, 2005 at 9:08 pm e
    i guess i am not surprised since you are the one that has 3,4 or all identity on this board. We should meet together someplace and just talk instead of you pretending to be multiple people.

    Despite your protests to the contrary, you've outed youself as your own multiple personalities. (Funny that you love to accuse others of doing the same) You have successfully proven to be the troll we all thought you were. Nothing you say has credibilty and you are no longer worth the effort to talk to. Find someone else to bother. Better yet, keep talking to yourself so you don't bother anyone else.

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    572   2:51pm Fri 28 Oct 2005   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    SactoQt, we're reaching 865 posts now. Please let juju keep posting and talking to self, and soon, it'll reach 1,000.

    Then at that time, juju will proudly proclaim that he/she owns this thread, and got in when it had only 500 posts.

    But then, no one else is interested to take the troll bait anymore. juju will be alone and start giving him/herself lessons in real estate investment.

    Hey, juju, why hate me so much? I just stated the fact that you just can't keep up with your own lies. If you can't even follow through with your bs, how can you revive this housing bubble? You're useless.

    The thread bubble, keep it coming :-)

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    573   12:41am Sat 29 Oct 2005   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected  

    SactoQt, we’re reaching 865 posts now. Please let juju keep posting and talking to self, and soon, it’ll reach 1,000.

    "Huh?" has passed the 1300 mark!

    We can edit juju's comments (blanking them out) without affecting comment count. We make the thread market! There is no thread bubble!

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    574   12:43am Sat 29 Oct 2005   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected  

    >>>> Millionaires are not buying houses right now
    :) … you are so dumb. look at the sales of million dollar houses in california. it has skyrocketed this year! enough said.

    Huh? Buying a million dollar home will make you a millionaire? Perhaps I should buy one. Where is my realtor's phone number. I lost his number. :(

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    575   7:36pm Sat 29 Oct 2005   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    as an Econ major here at UCSB

    or as we like to call it, Chico South.

    I believe “phoung”, “peter”, “brightc”, “surfer-x” are all one in the same.

    And I believe you are a cum drunk sorority whore.

    if it goes back to $100,000, chances are that the economy has completely collapsed and nobody can afford it at $1,000,000. This still bolds well for the real estate holder as real estate is worth what it is worth at any given time and the chances are that the person who could afford it at $1,000,000 has lost money in his/her other investments as well.

    Your parents need to go to the registrar and get their money back.

    Look up the stats you vapid trollop and then explain why housing has diverged from over 100 years of data. Real estate tracks inflation, period. Good luck on your cock hunt tonight, but isn't that every night in Isla Vista.

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    576   11:02pm Sat 29 Oct 2005   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Also, based on what I’ve read and the writing patterns I’ve been able to identify on this thread, there really is only 2 poster. I believe “phoung”, “peter”, “brightc”, “surfer-x” are all one in the same.

    You lost any possibility of having any credibility by posting this. Maybe you need to go back and take some English classes, as your ability to detect "patterns" in the writing is pretty sad.

    Come back and post when you've actually committed some $$ in RE (not your parents $$ either) then we'll talk.

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    577   11:25pm Sun 30 Oct 2005   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected  

    I believe “phoung”, “peter”, “brightc”, “surfer-x” are all one in the same.

    I am also Czar Peter the Great.

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    578   11:27pm Sun 30 Oct 2005   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected  

    I see. If group of people come to similar conclusion than they must be one person. All Democrats is one person and All Republicans is one person.

    You mean they are not? :)

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    579   1:11pm Mon 31 Oct 2005   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    There...is...no...thread...bubble!

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    580   2:32am Thu 3 Nov 2005   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected  

    Experience rolling thread boom in huh!

    Huh 2000!

    There is no thread bubble!

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    581   2:33am Thu 3 Nov 2005   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Protected  

    bye bye … hee hee. i will go now to collect my rent from my loser tenant .

    Lobster salad is best with white truffle oil.

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    582   6:18pm Wed 9 Nov 2005   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    Blog on, social effects!

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    583   10:33pm Wed 9 Nov 2005   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike  

    I'm paying only a small fraction of my landlord's mortgage as rent. If you count property tax, maintenance and depreciation, the faction is even smaller. I'm getting a good deal. My landlord is not.

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