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  • On 20 Apr 2014 in The Alienation of Work, Indiana Jones said:

    What you are talking about are horrific forms of dictatorship in Pol Pot and Stalinism. This is about the people themselves having the power, which is why there are many smaller communities, and people working together within the community for the betterment of that community. Betterment does not mean profit. These communities are connected to others making a network throughout the country or world.

    Those people who cannot reign in their greed or need for control will necessitate restraint in some manner. They cannot participate because they will destroy this type of system. Maybe they can be placed together so they can terrorize one another. These people are sociopaths, and this system can not work with sociopaths involved on any level.

    I believe that because our current systems worldwide are run by sociopaths, with a few exceptions, the system is flawed and brings out the worst in us humans. Greed, envy, lying, victimization, selfishness, etc. If the new system is set up to empower the individual within the context of contributing to the well being of the community and by extension everyone else, then what can be brought out is the flip side-- care for others, generosity, honesty, equality, integrity, respect for others, etc.

    In early cultures, they would not tolerate a sociopath/psychopath in their community. Once it became clear that they were dealing with this type of person, the community would banish them.

    As far as the robots: Are we seriously going to just roll over and let the machines take over the damn place? Come on, I know you've all seen The Terminator! If you follow the logic, either we will become slaves to the machines or obsolete. If AI happens, what use are humans?

  • On 20 Apr 2014 in The Alienation of Work, Indiana Jones said:

    Obviously, I can't be the only one with this belief; it doesn't work like that. This is a group effort, might I even say a "collective" effort. All persons involved must have basic understanding of the concepts.

    BTW, comparing the personal sexual space of one human being with the resources of this earth just doesn't equate. Besides being in very bad taste.

    "If you truly believe there is no scarcity, can I move in your house this weekend? and help myself to, not only your food and clothing, but also your sexual charms? There is no scarcity, right? Why doesn't your husband share every piece of info with me, about YOU! including hands-on experience!

  • On 19 Apr 2014 in Corrupted Capitalism and the Housing Crisis, Indiana Jones said:

    Comparing the system we have now to fascist systems masquerading as communism is really no comparison. (China, North Korea, Soviet Union, etc.)

    Just because this is the "best system" mankind has had since we can remember, does that not mean we can't make a better system? Our system existed on the lie of capitalism/free markets and has slowly disintegrated into something that more closely resembles fascism.

    The "If it ain't broke, don't fix it mentality" is further away from fixing the "democractic" and "capitalistic" society than if you could turn your self around a bit and admit the system is broken. It is inherently unjust and does not represent the vast majority of humans.

    All systems that has existed so far in this world have always bettered an elite group, whatever name you give it. Right now we are seeing that dynamic accentuated. So you are right, Cuba and China do not have a better model than the USA. But this ain't working so well either. Who has a better system? No one, yet. We have to create it.

  • On 19 Apr 2014 in The Alienation of Work, Indiana Jones said:

    Too many seniors: If a particular collective did not have enough young people, then individuals from different collectives who may have an excess of a younger age would be asked to change collectives to balance out. Or move some of the seniors over to impart their wisdom and child caring abilities to another group who are lacking.

    It is about democracy on a much smaller level. Direct democracy, not the republic we have. Each community or collective is as self sufficient and balanced in age, ethnicities, professions, etc. as possible. No one person is in control, but a diverse and rotating council to provide leadership.

  • On 19 Apr 2014 in The Alienation of Work, Indiana Jones said:

    Soap. Soap to be made either by individuals in the collective or if no one knew how to make soap, the collective would acquire it from another collective that did. Your soap is not a personal decision. It is a collective decision. You no longer have 63 bottles of salad dressing to choose from. You have 4. But those four are made lovingly from food grown organically by people in your collective and our healthful and delicious. And you don't have to buy it anymore, it is part of being in the collective and contributing your work.

    Corn. If the collective wants to switch their supplier of corn, then they can contact Bob's collective to see how they can work out a trade with them for their plump corn. Or they can ask Bob how to get that plump corn and grow their own. The collectives share info with each other because they are interested in bettering lives of all and there is no need for competition. Competition is based on scarcity, and there is no scarcity.

  • On 19 Apr 2014 in Corrupted Capitalism and the Housing Crisis, Indiana Jones said:

    Okay, Free Market Worshippers-- Let's just talk about hrhjuliet as if she isn't actually reading this thread. And even though she is so wrong, that tutu thing is so darn cute! Could you BE more patronizing?

    Maybe our self-identification with being a part of the richest country isn't the summit of our measly lives. Maybe holding corporations Accountable for their ignoring the needs of the earth, animals, plants, air, water, and humans is not such a bad idea after all.

    Where does integrity come into play in this free-market? If the free market is so awesome, why are so many people struggling and unhappy with the way things are?

    And is America really rich anymore? If so, why do we have such huge debt?

  • On 18 Apr 2014 in The Alienation of Work, Indiana Jones said:

    The collective is not random or willy-nilly. It could be set up to have the basics produced. There is also trade with other collectives.

    Johnny Worthless could not belong to the collective if he didn't participate. If her is lazy, life will be hard because the collectives won't include him. If he is sociopathic, then of course that can not be allowed. The sociopaths are unable to participate in a collective due to their own selfish nature of needing to control others.

    Of course the 70 year old is not going to produce as much as younger people. This is accounted for.

    mmmarvel says

    And what if no one produced what you needed or desired? Or one or two products were valued (by the buyers/consumers) higher than other products. T

  • On 18 Apr 2014 in The Alienation of Work, Indiana Jones said:

    Non-Capitalism does not = Soviet Union

    Non-Capitalism does not = China

    Non-Capitalism does not = North Korea

    Non-Capitalism does not = Sweden

    Non-Capitalism does not = Fascist Italy or Germany

  • On 18 Apr 2014 in The Alienation of Work, Indiana Jones said:

    Soviet Union was not practicing Marxism, or Communism for that matter. It was more fascism with a communist veil. Too centralized, and way too much power in the center.

    What if there were no corporate owned "supermarkets"? And instead collectives that worked together to produce their own food for a smaller group? While others in the group produced other goods the group needed? You could be connected directly to your own work and production.

    dublin hillz says

    The alienation present in the soviet union was actually very monstrous

  • On 10 Apr 2014 in Economic recovery now equals housing unaffordability, Indiana Jones said:

    mmmarvel says

    Indiana Jones says

    You got to feel for the young people though.

    That guy is FUNNY - and rings with a HUGE note of truth. I looked at a couple other of his videos, I like him.

    Yep, his honest commercials video is hilarious!

  • On 9 Apr 2014 in Economic recovery now equals housing unaffordability, Indiana Jones said:

    You got to feel for the young people though.

  • On 4 Apr 2014 in 1 in 3 homes is unaffordable and a bubble is forming, Indiana Jones said:

    MALIBU POLICE CHIEF
    Mr. Treehorn draws a lot of water in this town. You don't draw shit, Lebowski. Now we got a nice, quiet little beach community here, and I aim to keep it nice and quiet. So let me make something plain. I don't like you sucking around, bothering our citizens, Lebowski. I don't like your jerk-off name. I don't like your jerk-off face. I don't like your jerk-off behavior, and I don't like you, jerk-off. Do I make myself clear?
    THE DUDE
    [after a pause] I'm sorry, I wasn't listening.

    JH says

    Um, ever been to Malibu? It's cash, celebrities, etc. Not unlike the fortress up north. Nothing goes for 1/2M in malibu!

  • On 3 Apr 2014 in Following more than 100 aftershocks, Californians fear The quake from Hell, Indiana Jones said:

    I meant the Loma Prieta earthquake in 1989, not Coalinga. I was in a mall food court in Fremont with a huge glass skylight overhead. We were eating and once the earthquake didn't stop after a couple of seconds, we got under the flimsy table (as everyone else did in the food court) and hoped for the best. I remember this earthquake to not be a trembling sensation, nor sharp and jarring, but a huge rolling feelings, like ocean waves underneath you. From the sprinklers on the ceilings all the metal roundings came down, and although I was afraid the glass skylight would could down on us, I was more afraid we would fall down into the 1st floor. As soon as it was over, we ran through the darkened mall and through Mervyns, I believe. The store was dark and it was a complete mess, shelves knocked over and clothes, shoes, everything on the floor. We had to hop over stuff, and sales clerks running around totally confused. After we got into our car the parking lot was in chaos, and we almost got hit by a few other cars. People were in shock and driving crazy and all the street lights were out, no radio. Got home and found my roommate had been injured while sleeping through the earthquake. Her headboard had been leaning against a wall and had fallen over on her -- she was wearing a neck brace for a while after that. That was the only person that I knew firsthand that was injured. Two of my sister's co-workers who worked for the pac bell yellow pages were killed in the Cypress structure.

  • On 3 Apr 2014 in 97% Owned - Economic Truth Documentary, Indiana Jones said:

    indigenous says

    Saving that when the banks fuck up DO NOT BAIL THEM OUT. That way the debt is required to die with the last person holding the debt. This has huge implications. If you are interested ask me why.

    Saving that require a consistent reserve ratio. And a consistent interest rate. As these two are disingenuous tools of cronyism. If you are interested ask me why.

    Why?

  • On 3 Apr 2014 in 97% Owned - Economic Truth Documentary, Indiana Jones said:

    spydah_hh says

    I also stated the same similar message in this post http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1240638&c=1070937#comment-1070937.

    If we do not have true capitalism now, did we or any other country in the world ever have it?

  • On 3 Apr 2014 in 97% Owned - Economic Truth Documentary, Indiana Jones said:

    It seems like the players are the central bank, the private banks and the government. Are they all just in cahoots with each other? Are they all old fraternity brothers doing favors for each other? Or did one of them start this process, and then infiltrate the other? Was it that the central banks were so powerful, then infiltrated the top government positions and private banks? Or government wanted to create money to resolve debt, take over another country or some other issue, and got the central bank and private banks to be complicit?

  • On 2 Apr 2014 in Following more than 100 aftershocks, Californians fear The quake from Hell, Indiana Jones said:

    I was in the 1989 Coalinga earthquake. I thought the world was going to end, because it just kept going longer than any other earthquake I'd experienced.

    California earthquakes don't scare me. All my life I've heard the predictions we were going to fall into the ocean. Whatever.

    What freaks me out are hurricanes, tornados and more recently the sinkhole phenomenon.

  • On 2 Apr 2014 in 97% Owned - Economic Truth Documentary, Indiana Jones said:

    This is a shorter version which I haven't seen:

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d3mfkD6Ky5o

    Here is the trailer:

  • On 30 Mar 2014 in Obama Says The Constitution Is Out Dated- International Law Is Supreme, United N, Indiana Jones said:

    SoftShell says

    Say Hello to the Declaration of Socialism, worldwide edition.

    How about Declaration of Fascism, New World Order Edition?

  • On 28 Mar 2014 in Bankrupting America - Top 5 Things To Know About Social Security & Medicare..., Indiana Jones said:

    humanity says

    My recommendation would be to read, the well known, "The Road Less Traveled," by Scott Peck.

    I've read this. Maybe you need to reread it.

    When there is no recourse, and you are backed up against the wall, call the other person "crazy". Another Boomer tactic. If the Boomers could have all the Gen Xers that are calling them out on their shite institutionalized, I believe they would.

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