Nice try Dan....
Err, you just proved his point. An undergrad degree allowed them to sign. The vast majority of those who signed do not have qualifications that relate to climate change. How many of those who signed actually do any research in the field? Are published? Respected?...
Strange, isn't it, how a guy how can't punctuate an English sentence to save his life, thinks that claiming victory, without any evidence thereof, makes any substantive progress toward the claim.
That's a touch unfortunate.
You need to edit your title.
I believe he said that there would be a major crash in 2017 or so. He predicted a short-term pull-back when he sold his stock, didn't he? If he sold his stock before October, then..., but hey, paint me as stunned that CiC was all over this thread like a rash.
"b" contradicts "a"
No, it doesn't.
Some "contributing factors" are irrelevant.
By definition, they aren't. And your example is hardly comparable to invading a couple of countries, causing, both directly and indirectly, the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, and in the process, triggering a great deal of instability in the region. Those are actual contributing factors, not some stupid once upon a time, many centuries ago, someone invented this, so... argument.
Ask yourself....If they were Buddhists would this kind of violence have taken place?
You mean like the murderous rampages that have happened on a number of occasions in Sri Lanka and that seem to be increasingly happening in Myanmar?
That is the extent of your ability to express your opinion?
Perhaps he should have added the word mutt after the hahaha.
a. That doesn't make him what you claimed.
b. The world was a rather different place back in the 6th Century.
We as Americans contributed to nothing that makes Muslims go berserk. It was all Islam. We strike back at Afghanistan after 911 and according to you they are so devastated, so tormented, that they start killing each other with bombs. Really, that is our fault? No responsibility on their part? It's like saying - Oh, my wife told me to go to the grocery store, so the accident I had was all her fault even though I went through 3 red lights.
So you think invading that country made no difference? And Iraq? Last I checked, most of the problems seem to be occurring around that area. And who said there was no responsibility on their part? Do you actually understand the words 'contributing factors'?
A third are probably apologists for Islam at various levels. Almost all of them tend to be liberals who mindlessly and continuously criticize the US and the West for anything that goes wrong in the world. And it's always the same fucked up excuse. We stole their land, we attacked them for their oil. We created them because we trained them. It's our fault - it's all our fault- it's all our fault.
And you mindlessly ignore all that as CONTRIBUTIVE factors to what is currently happening. You should read SBH's comment again as apparently it flew clean over your head.
Nice video. I have noticed Islam apologists tend to go silent when Muslims or ex Muslims criticize Islam. The usual excuses of being racist, not having read the Koran, not understanding Muslims or it's all our fault simply don't apply. :)
You can criticize any religion, they lay themselves open for that, but to say their prophet 'was the most brutal barbarian ever to walk the earth' just makes you look like a fool with an agenda.
Mohammad who founded Islam was the most brutal barbarian ever to walk the earth.
You are embarrassing yourself with comments like that.
People like you who steadfastly stand up for this sick religion in the West are only contributing to the problem, should be ashamed of themselves.
I'm not standing up for it. I'm an atheist. I have no fondness for any religion. I'm pointing out that we are the ones that have contributed substantially to the rising conservatism, and that your sweeping generalizations about Muslims as a whole are just that and entirely inaccurate for most of the adherents of that religion.
How many Muslims do you know, let alone are actually friends with?
But you will never be able to prove that Islam is a brutal and barbaric religion.
I thought that was what you were trying to prove.
Your stone fast arguments sympathizing with Sharia laws are disgraceful at best. Sharia laws are much too barbaric for humanity.
You don't half post some cobblers. Where did I sympathize with Sharia law?
So - did we "oppress" the Saudis when we pressured them to stop legalized slavery just a few decades ago? Did we oppress the Saudis by giving them the technology to become gazillionaires?
Did the British oppress the Indians when they told them they could no longer burn their widows alive next to their dead husbands?
That is a ridiculous comment. I guess from that your forefathers didn't oppress the native Americans because your country later allowed them to build casinos.
Keep making excuses for them.
I guess we are to believe majority of Egyptians and Pakistanis think it's cool to murder apostates because of western meddling?
Has NOTHING to do with Islam - right?
Except I said that Western meddling had contributed to the rise in conservatism, which isn't the same as '...majority of Egyptians and Pakistanis think it's cool to murder apostates because of Western meddling. Has NOTHING...,' is it?
The only thing that remotely civilized the Muslim/Arab world was European colonialism. And that certainly wasn't a complete success as we call all attest.
We didn't civilize them, we oppressed them and/or used them as part of the power struggles in the region.
There is no way the Muslim/Arab world is going to modernize by itself in our lifetime. Or several lifetimes. If anything it's regressing right now. Larger percentages are more religious now with more women in Afghanistan, Iran and Egypt wearing full burqas now than they did in the 1970's.
And why do you think that's the case? The meddling of the West this century and last has stoked exactly that.
FFS - you can compare Christianity around the planet from the Catholics, Evangelicals, Eastern Orthodox from Europe, South America to Asia and you will find NOTHING as extreme as the beliefs in terms of large percentages about killing apostates and other extreme beliefs commonly found in the Muslim/Arab world. Not even remotely the same league.
You don't have to go that far back to have exactly those sort of views expressed (and enforced) in Christianity. Remind me again how many centuries older Christianity is compared to Islam. There is that difference in age and that the West went through the enlightenment. Many parts of the Muslim world are little changed culturally to how they were centuries ago. That outlook needs to change and hopefully it will, but what is happening now is hardly going to encourage that. It is also more difficult in Islam because the Quran is viewed as the literal word of God. Christians ceased viewing the Bible like that centuries ago.
The majority of world's Muslims live in poor and backwards societies. Some could even argue that it is specifically Islam that is holding them back.
Some or you?
Does Saudi Arabia represent "true Islam".
How about Egypt and Pakistan?
You answer it yourself. Everywhere is different. What's true Christianity? A good number of your Bible belt hold views abhorrent to Europeans for example.
"Majorities of Muslims in Egypt and Pakistan support the death penalty for leaving Islam"
That doesn't make it a religion of terror. It simply shows that those are very conservative and religious societies, something that is reinforced by the poor educational standards and levels of poverty there.
Does the intolerant and hateful stuff preached in numerous UK mosques represent "true Islam"?
Your religious right also spouts hateful and intolerant stuff and has hardly had the kind of forces at play pushing the more outspoken radicals to the forefront. You also have youth in Western countries caught between the conservatism of their families and the liberalism they see around them in day-to-day life. Like many young, they can be led by people manipulating them and playing on their anger at the perceived injustices done to Muslims. The internet has made that process far easier.
Several of my clients are Iraqis and Kurds who fled Saddam in the 1990's. One of them was finally able to move back home to be with his family in 2008 when things were peaceful.
All were supportive of overthrowing Saddam.
Of course they were. They fled Saddam. And Iraq was hardly peaceful in 2008.
And I somehow doubt those people would serve to reinforce Strategists perception of Islam as a religion of terror. A good number of Kurds are actually very socialist in their outlook...
Like I said, a bit of contact with some clients is hardly much experience of Muslims, and I'd guess that is more than many on here.
So, I take it that your answer would be none? Or were the questions too hard for you to answer?
No, they were just too stupid to bother answering.
I ask you again....
My question to you Bigsby, is, do you believe Islam is a peaceful religion? I await an honest answer.
You seem to want to argue that because a few tens of thousands of Muslims are creating chaos that Islam is somehow a religion of war? Is that what you are saying? Which countries have created the most chaos on the planet during human history? What religion was practiced in those countries? Is Christianity a peaceful religion then?
The vast majority of Muslims live in peace. That is a simple and obvious fact, so on that basis, Islam is a religion of peace to the vast majority who practice it.
Hmmm... How many blacks have you seen lately beheading people??
How many black have been suicide bombers lately?
For that matter, how many Germans behead people this month? Any Irish people do some beheadings?
How many Italians over-ran and took over cities in Iraq the past year?
A typically idiotic post from you. What a surprise.
Here are some facts....
99.99% of suicide bombers are Muslim.
There isn't a nation, that has Muslims, does not experience their terrorism.
The tens of thousands that rushed to join ISIS were ALL MUSLIMS.
My question to you Bigsby, is, do you believe Islam is a peaceful religion? I await an honest answer.
Suicide bombings have been used during other conflicts as well. It strikes me as an act of desperation by a very small number of extremely fucked up/brainwashed/coerced people. It's Muslims who are fighting, so they are Muslim suicide bombers...
Most Muslim countries have had very few acts of terrorism in their borders. The countries that have the biggest terrorist problems also have the biggest problems in general.
Yes, Muslims joined a Muslim force. Remarkable. Why do you think these young people have been radicalized? What have they been exposed to over the last 15 years?
I don't believe Islam is particularly different to any religion. They can all be manipulated any way you like. It's people who are not peaceful. And if you create the circumstances for unrest, then you will get unrest, and it doesn't take very many radicalized/psychotic/murderous... people with guns to drag everyone down with them. You can take a look at plenty of non-muslim countries over the centuries to see how quickly things can fall apart.
So why blame America?
Oh FFS, who do you think completely destabilized Iraq? Who disbanded the Iraqi army? Who put in power a leader who utterly sidelined the Sunni population in favour of the Shias? etc. etc.
LOL. That does not make Islam any less barbaric.
You may as well say every religion is barbaric. It's people who are barbaric.
Still defending Islam. Absolutely disgusting. OK, it's a free country, we won't take off your head for disagreeing.
WTF are you talking about? Its not an issue of defending Islam. It's an issue of looking at how situations have arisen from all aspects rather than simply jumping up and down and shouting 'It's Islam's fault. It's Islam's fault.'
@bigsby why are you so supportive of Islam. It puzzles me. I have seen some of the arguments you have made on conspiracy theories. You seem to be an intelligent liberal. But why do you guys defend Islam so much? Do you think the Sharia laws meet your liberal morals? Do you? It makes no sense at all.
It's not an issue of defending Islam. It's an issue with the fact that so many people on here and elsewhere seem to have turned a completely blind eye to why things have deteriorated so badly and so quickly and simply want to blame Islam for that. Muslims seem to be filling the role of the new blacks for many. How much experience do people on here have of Muslims, their way of life, the beliefs that they adhere to in day-to-day life? Too many people seem all too willing to tar all with the same brush when the extremists causing all this havoc wouldn't even fill an average size Premiership football stadium.
And yes, I hear that all the time about Sharia law. What do you actually think the implementation of Sharia law amounts to in the majority of Muslim countries? The actual (rather than theoretical) implementation isn't nearly as problematic as you seem to think in most countries as they employ a mixed system. Obviously full Sharia law is extremely problematic to me, but then it isn't my culture or religious background and there seem to be a great deal of people in those countries unhappy about its reach. Muslim people are an incredibly diverse lot. The dumbing down of what it is that those people actually believe into one great monolithic entity is just foolish.
When we invaded Iraq, we installed a soft puppet who could bring democracy to the region. We fail to understand that the Mid East Muslims are not ready for democracy. They will only take advantage of any democracy to install Islam and it's disgusting sharia laws. This created a vacuum, and Islam being the evil it is, quickly dominated.
Simplistic in the extreme. Maliki divided that country on sectarian grounds, totally isolating the Sunnis in favour of the Shias. Why do you think the tribes in the Sunni regions thought rule under ISIS was more favourable to that of Maliki?
And you can't just plonk democracy on nations that have never experienced it, and most certainly in nations that have been under the boot of the kind of rulers Iraq, Syria, Libya and Egypt were subjected to, and suddenly expect everything to run smoothly.
You seem to conveniently forget the genocide that is well documented in the thousand years leading up to that partition massacre. You also forget the terrorism that took place in India by Muslims since then.
You mean when one nation invades another and commits atrocities? And obviously such atrocities never happened when Christian countries invaded other nations. And exactly what constitutes genocide to you?
You seem to have forgotten the acts of terrorism that have taken place in India by Hindu nationalists and the like.
I notice you did not address the Russian and Phillipine terrorism that I mentioned. Why?
So I have to address every single point, do I? Many regions of the old USSR have been destabilized by what has gone on post break up. The trouble in those regions isn't solely down to the fact that, for example, the Chechens did it 'because they are Muslim,' is it? As for the Phillipines, I don't know the historical details of that insurgency so perhaps you'd care to inform us of its background.