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  • On 28 Jul 2014 in No BBC Video Removal Scandal After All; Evidence of Military Planes Shadowing MH, tatupu70 said:

    thunderlips11 says

    BTW, I don't discount the possibility that the DPR did shoot down the plane, but the blame is still shared with Ukraine for the ATC routing

    Do you have any evidence that Ukraine changed the flight path? thunderlips11 says

    Who is the highly placed rebel? How did AP verify his identity?

    lol---is that how it works with undercover sources? So AP is in on the conspiracy now, too?

    thunderlips11 says

    I note you do not address the radar evidence and satellite evidence presented by Russia - something the US has yet to do.

    What's there to comment on? Did they show anything other than a supposed additional plane? Again--so what? Do they have any evidence of the location of the missile launch?

  • On 28 Jul 2014 in No BBC Video Removal Scandal After All; Evidence of Military Planes Shadowing MH, tatupu70 said:

    thunderlips11 says

    Aleksandr Panteleymonov, the acting president of the National Television
    Company of Ukraine on Tuesday night. He is the man being attacked by thugs.


    But the thugs aren't just street fighters, they're led (guy with pony tail)
    by an MP.


    The MP is Igor Miroshnichenko of the Svoboda Party. The Svoboda Party is run
    by a Mafioso and was key in the recent Putsch against the democratically elected
    government.


    The US Equivalent would be John Boener going to PBS and smacking around the
    Chairman with tea party activists threatening him with bodily harm until he
    resigned.

    So what? That doesn't change the fact that the rebels shot down the plane.

  • On 28 Jul 2014 in Malaysian flight shoot-down another false flag?, tatupu70 said:

    bgamall4 says

    Apparently there were jets tailing the flight

    Jets?? Wake up, goddammit. Alien spacecraft are not jets.

  • On 28 Jul 2014 in No BBC Video Removal Scandal After All; Evidence of Military Planes Shadowing MH, tatupu70 said:

    thunderlips11 says

    Was the launcher Ukrainian or DPR?

    The article states Russian.

    thunderlips11 says

    Which are about on the same level as "Zimmerman was acting in self-defense,
    you libtards!" or "A Black Man carjacked me and then let me out without the
    children". Ukie Ministers making claims is just Ukie ministers making
    claims.

    The social media posts were made by rebels. Ukraine didn't find them or make them.

    thunderlips11 says

    Debunked. It has metadata problems with the date, and more likely refers to
    the downing of the An-26 just prior to the MH17. The An-26 was flying low, and
    reachable by MANPADS.

    Not debunked. Some questions have been raised--but certainly not debunked.

    thunderlips11 says

    That's the grainy unprovenced, unsourced, undated youtube video. There is a
    similar youtube video of a BUK with two missing missiles filmed in February.
    There are no markings on the BUK. The only thing in the video is a billboard for
    a car dealership, located well to the south of where the MH17 was shot down.

    OK--it's not a smoking gun. But it's certainly evidence.

    thunderlips11 says

    Officially, or via unnamed sources?

    I'd call John Kerry "officially".

    "We know the trajectory. We know where it came from. We know the timing. And it was exactly the time the aircraft disappeared," said US secretary of state John Kerry on 20 July. "From voice identification we know the separatists were bragging about shooting it down afterwards."

    I notice you didn't address the rebel call to the AP.

  • On 28 Jul 2014 in No BBC Video Removal Scandal After All; Evidence of Military Planes Shadowing MH, tatupu70 said:

    thunderlips11 says

    even though absolutely no evidence has been presented - only assertions made in
    social media and a quote or two from anonymous sources.

    So what counts as evidence in your world? There certainly is a bunch of circumstantial evidence. AP reporters saw a Buk launcher move into separatist territory around noon--3 hours before the crash.

    "A highly placed rebel, speaking to the AP this week, admitted that rebels were responsible. He said a unit based in the hometown of ousted President Viktor Yanukovych, made up of both Russians and Ukrainians, was involved in the firing of an SA-11 from near Snizhne. The rebel, who has direct access to the inner circle of the insurgent leadership in Donetsk, said that he could not be named because he was contradicting the rebels' official line."

    You've got the social media posts. The intercepted phone conversation. The people who saw the Buk move back into Russia missing 2 missiles.

    Then the US says it has tracked the missile launch into rebel held territory.

    None of that is evidence???

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/what-happened-the-day-flight-17-was-downed/article/feed/2151856

  • On 28 Jul 2014 in No BBC Video Removal Scandal After All; Evidence of Military Planes Shadowing MH, tatupu70 said:

    bgamall4 says

    Character assassination. You get paid to do that, slimeball?

    lol--no I do that for free.

  • On 28 Jul 2014 in No BBC Video Removal Scandal After All; Evidence of Military Planes Shadowing MH, tatupu70 said:

    thunderlips11 says

    No Shit. The Russians had a press conference on this days ago.

    When your only confirmation is Mish, then you need to take a step back and think about whether you might be on the wrong side of the issue.

  • On 28 Jul 2014 in Malaysian flight shoot-down another false flag?, tatupu70 said:

    komputodo says

    Just waiting for katie kouric to confirm

    Poor gullible sap. Wake me up when you're ready for the truth. Until then, here's a website that you should check out.

    http://www.thelizardpeople.com/2014/07/crashed-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh17.html

  • On 27 Jul 2014 in BREAKING NEWS: NEED A JOB? THE GOVT IS HIRING TROLLS Read more at http://invest, tatupu70 said:

    Quigley says

    Thanks for the validation tatupu you old troll! They should really be more selective on their hiring, maybe get some writers with talent instead of hacks like you!

    Does that Peewee Herman "I know you are but what am I?" bullshit actually even work?

    No problem Quigs. The point is that you didn't even provide a theory. Which is par for the course for all the conspiracy nuts. Never once have I seen a post from one of you guys that actually posits a theory for what DID happen. All you ever do is try to poke holes in the prevailing wisdom. Kind of like what a lawyer does when he knows his client is guilty-throw a bunch of nonsense against the wall and hope something sticks.

  • On 27 Jul 2014 in BREAKING NEWS: NEED A JOB? THE GOVT IS HIRING TROLLS Read more at http://invest, tatupu70 said:

    Quigley says

    This post will now be "debunked" by a troll in 5...4...3...

    What is there to debunk?

  • On 27 Jul 2014 in Malaysian flight shoot-down another false flag?, tatupu70 said:

    CaptainShuddup says

    Not only do I think if it wasn't an accident, then it was a 3rd party that did it.

    For once you've got something right. Like I said earlier, all available evidence points to the Aliens.

  • On 26 Jul 2014 in Malaysian flight shoot-down another false flag?, tatupu70 said:

    komputodo says

    Hmmm

    When I disbelieve anything that comes from liars and con men, it's just as bad as if I blindly believe anything that comes from them?

    That doesn't sound right.

    Probably because your statement isn't right...

  • On 26 Jul 2014 in Malaysian flight shoot-down another false flag?, tatupu70 said:

    komputodo says

    tatupu70 says

    Alternate theories that are supported by evidence and logic are fine. Ridiculous, easily disproven, conjecture is rightly treated as conspiracy nonsense.

    Evidence? That BS they tell you on CNN or any MSM outlet is evidence? If you believe it, that's fine. I'm not a believer. I quit believing when they told me Kennedy was shot by Oswald acting alone and Jack Ruby was a patriot. I just try to use logic...WHO GAINS from the plane being shot down and why?

    Well, that's your problem. When you disbelieve anything that comes from CNN or MSM, it's just as bad as if you blindly believe anything that comes from them.

    I prefer to look at the evidence and draw my own conclusion.

  • On 26 Jul 2014 in Malaysian flight shoot-down another false flag?, tatupu70 said:

    komputodo says

    Better that you gobble up bullshit from CNN and other msm sources.

    Remember, the most important thing is that we all stick together and think alike. Anyone that wants to explore an alternate explanation needs to be branded as a conspiracy theorist.

    Get with the program.

    Alternate theories that are supported by evidence and logic are fine. Ridiculous, easily disproven, conjecture is rightly treated as conspiracy nonsense.

  • On 25 Jul 2014 in Malaysian flight shoot-down another false flag?, tatupu70 said:

    Quigley says

    tatupu70 says

    It was obviously the work of Aliens that live among us.

    Nice troll post!

    Nice troll thread!

  • On 25 Jul 2014 in Malaysian flight shoot-down another false flag?, tatupu70 said:

    It was obviously the work of Aliens that live among us.

  • On 25 Jul 2014 in Fox "News" is an unhealthy (and ignorant) lifestyle, tatupu70 said:

    Reality says

    Really? You kite checks and force other people to accept them when you run
    short of money? Do they believe your promise that you will someday save up the
    money to make the checks good? instead of kiting more checks to pay past bad
    checks?

    I doubt it--he said he follows Keynesian theory. Not the way Reagan bastardized it.

  • On 24 Jul 2014 in Example of sustained right wing propaganda screwing up the country, tatupu70 said:

    CaptainShuddup says

    If Fox is screwing up the country, then Lets!

    If??

  • On 24 Jul 2014 in Kansas proves that cutting taxes doesn't create jobs but does devestate economy, tatupu70 said:

    Paralithodes says

    The key words, "...were among the largest ever enacted by any state..." provides no conclusion at all about what cutting taxes in general does to the economy or jobs. ... Except to one who is grasping for any outlier to prove their overall position.

    That's why you actually have to continue reading the remainder of the article.

  • On 23 Jul 2014 in Is this thinking wrong ? Please advise, tatupu70 said:

    Homeboy says

    Seems like you think EVERYTHING "confirms your hypothesis", whether it does or not.

    Well argued.

    Homeboy says

    Actually, that's wrong. Reagan's tax act wasn't until 1986, after that spike has already ended. What DID change in the early 80s was the Fed discount rate - see my previous chart. Hmmm...very interesting, that.

    Is your argument that lower interest rates cause wealth disparity? I think it's probably true that stocks perform better under lower interest rate environments--but I disagree that the Fed is the cause of lower rates. The market sets the rates that matter.

    Homeboy says

    Right, and the Fed influences the stock market PROFOUNDLY, to the point that even a whisper of the notion that the Fed is planning to change any of its policies can cause wild swings in stock prices

    True--as Bill said earlier, they do have control of rates on the high side to put the brakes on an economy. Any whiff that they are raising rates to slow things down will cause stocks to fall. And, similarly, if folks are expecting the Fed to raise rates and they don't, that could cause stocks to rise.

    Homeboy says

    Right now, the Fed is holding rates so low that banks can essentially get free loans (and keeping them there for so long that it can't reasonably be considered a temporary measure anymore), and wealth disparity just happens to be at an all time high. You really don't think there's any connection there?

    I don't. Disparity has been rising for 30+ years. I don't think a condition that has only been happening for 5 years could be the cause. And, I don't see a mechanism despite all the crony nonsense that is spewed here.

  • On 23 Jul 2014 in Is this thinking wrong ? Please advise, tatupu70 said:

    Homeboy says

    Certainly the things you mention have an effect, but they cannot entirely explain what we see in this graph:

    Interesting graph. I think it confirms my hypthothesis rather than refutes it. The top 10% really takes off in the early 80s, right as Reagan takes over and mucks up the tax code, and as manufacturing begins to go overseas.

    It won't be a straight line because the top 10% earns their money from corporate stock values. Their income will go up and down based on the stock market... But as you pointed out, it's trending up while Aveage Joe is flat.

  • On 22 Jul 2014 in Is this thinking wrong ? Please advise, tatupu70 said:

    Homeboy says

    If you are arguing the other way around, you leave open the question of what caused the wealth disparity.

    I think it's actually several factors. Capital gains tax rate, estate tax rate, top income tax bracket rates have an effect. But, more important, IMO, are the effects of globalization and productivity increases in driving down the value of labor and increasing the return on investment. Real wages have stagnated, while corporate profits are increasing exponentially. This leads to the rich getting richer and the working Joe going nowhere.

    Homeboy says

    The discount rate has been at an all time low for the past 5 years, as have mortgage rates. Who sets the discount rate? The Fed, right? So how can you argue that mortgage rates and the discount rates are both reacting to other factors?

    Like Iwog said--the Fed changes the discount rate because of economic factors. And as I wrote earlier, they usually follow the market rather than set it.

  • On 22 Jul 2014 in Is this thinking wrong ? Please advise, tatupu70 said:

    Homeboy says

    I am curious as to your explanation for this: If you do admit that the Fed can influence interest rates, and we just so happen to have the lowest mortgage rates in history, for the longest period of time, precisely when the government is attempting to re-inflate the housing market, what do YOU think is the cause?

    Wealth disparity. When a few people have SO much money, there just aren't enough places for them to put it. Especially since there is so little demand that there isn't much need to build more factories or invest to increase capacity. So there is a lot of money fighting for safe havens like treasury bonds. And high demand equals low rates.

    If you look at Iwog's graph, the Fed's changes to the funds rate is just as often AFTER the mortgage rate has already changed. To me, that indicates that both are reacting to an external stimulus rather than the Fed actions influencing mortgage rates.

    Homeboy says

    I believe you're making a fundamental error. You are assuming that if the Fed could influence rates that nothing else could. But actually, there are many things that can influence rates.

    I don't think I'm making that error. I'm arguing that the Fed's influence is highly overrated and that other factors are much more important. In fact, my argument is that the Fed influences rates more than anything because investors believe they have better info than the market in general. ie, If the Fed is concerned about the econonmy, then they become concerned too. Or vice versa. The actual buying and selling of bonds is not all that important.

    Homeboy says

    Correlation does not equal causation.

    Not always. But sometimes.

  • On 22 Jul 2014 in Is this thinking wrong ? Please advise, tatupu70 said:

    Homeboy says

    Don't bother, guys. Iwog and Tatupu have their heads so far up their asses on this, they will NEVER see the light of day.

    Sorry, I can't convince someone who refuses to listen. Do you agree that wealth disparity has been increasing over the last 30-40 years? And interest rates have been generally decreasing over that same period?

    Ever think they might be correlated??

    Interest rates are set by the market. The Fed can influence them (usually for short periods of time), but they don't set LIBOR, 30 yr. treasury, etc. The fact that there is so much money with nowhere to go is why rates are low.

  • On 21 Jul 2014 in Is this thinking wrong ? Please advise, tatupu70 said:

    Heraclitusstudent says

    So a reduction in unemployment and gains in wages would increase rates, which would slow the economy and inflation, which in turn, would lower rates.

    i.e. rates will not go up much.

    Historically, that hasn't been the case as an economy comes out of recession. It's possible, if rates go up too quickly, but I'd say it's unlikely.

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