Who says the number "2" is superior to any other number.
2 is greater than 1, and less than 3. 2 is not generally called superior or inferior, unless you are talking about a vertical stack. The issue in this case was the marriage of 2 gay people had been called legally inferior to the marriage of 2 straight people, which meant the people involved must be inferior also: children of a lesser god dreaming of a lesser dream. Anyway, you can repeat yourself if you want to, or venture further from math if you want to, I'm done.
Yes, they court did say that?
What? Have you been smoking with the Captain?
But does it have to be illegal for willing adults to get married to multiple people?
It isn't illegal, but only the first marriage would be recognized. You can argue that should change, and the Moronic Cult used to argue precisely that. They lost that argument, though they can try again if they want. I express no opinion, other than it's clearly a different argument.
Different arguments can have some congruities and overlap, but also differences. 3>2, so that's a difference. You can say 2=2, but you can't honestly say 3=2. Part of the process of debate involves recognizing both similarities and differences between arguments. I recognize the 1967 SCOTUS decision upholding inter-racial marriage was not exactly the same as the 2015 SCOTUS decision upholding same-sex marriage, but I count the differences as progress in fulfilling the equal protection of the laws, i.e. 1=1 and 2=2. You can find overlap regarding commitment and religion and so on, but you can also find differences, and the overlap does not diminish the differences.
I respect the libertarian argument that the government should be minimized and ideally not even involved, but I respect more your quotation from de Tocqueville about rights being for either everyone or no one.
Ugh. They didn't redefine anything. Same-sex couples have been getting married for millenia, although the so-called "traditional" definition reflects the most common experience. Most people are right-handed and a "traditional" handshake connects the right hands of two people; some people are left-handed and there is no law precluding them from shaking hands with their left. Senator Bob Dole (R-KS) used his left hand, having injured his right arm during WWII. Two people shaking hands would still constitute a handshake, regardless of whether it involves two right hands or two left.
I don't like the consequences of this decision, further cementing marriage as a government-sponsored privilege.
You seem to misunderstand the consequences of the decision. Marriage was already a fundamental right. SCOTUS invalidated anti-miscegenation laws in 1967 (Clarence Thomas wouldn't be married to his Heritage Foundation consultant bride without that right), and subsequent decisions spanning decades recognized marriage as a fundamental right. A marriage license is not like a driver's license, which SCOTUS has called a privilege.
gays can marry
The Court said two people, who want to get married to each other, and who are otherwise qualified to get married to each other (age 18+, etc.) have the same right to get married whether they are a same-sex couple or an opposite-sex couple. The Court said 2=2, whether it's 2 men or 2 women or 1 of each.
The Court did not say that 100=2, or 5=2, or 3=2, or any other mathematical impossibility. Repeating this really obvious fact becomes a bit annoying. Each person can have one vote and one spouse. In America, nobody gets 100 votes or 100 spouses. If you would like to see the law changed so that some people get 100 spouses, and others get 100 votes, then you may of course propose that, but don't accuse the Court of being unable to count higher than 2. EVEN DOGS CAN COUNT HIGHER THAN TWO, so I don't understand why some PatNetters fail in that regard.
When there is no cultural prohibition/disadvantage to homosexuality pair bonding, the average and less well off males would quickly find out that it is much less expensive and more rewarding to pair-bond with another man than with another woman!
A wise friend explained to me once, people can only really tell you about themselves, and by listening to them you can learn all about their own insecurities and hopes and dreams.
I got married at the JP without needing the popes blessing
That's been the point all along. Religious "conservatives" claim that the only real marriages are the ones the Pope or their imaginary friend would bless, regardless of what our Constitution says, because they hate America and are in love with their imaginary friend (aka their own ego). Frankly, even though you came from South Carolina Baptists, you should know better, having got legally married to a Catholic. You know from your own experience that in America people have a right to get married without the Pope's blessing. You should be celebrating, or at least you should try to find something nice to say.
warm welcome - finally
BAO, EsC is the new screen name of the commenter formerly known as sbh. The actual person is probably happy about today's decision. As is Grumpy Cat, "because everyone deserves the right to be married and miserable."
Welcome to our world....
Indeed, one may fairly describe equality as a mixed blessing, but the equal protection of the laws is a requisite of being a whole person within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. Arlo Guthrie joked in "Alice's Restaurant" about how two guys together could avoid the draft without fleeing to Canada, but that wouldn't work anymore. It reminds me of Winston Churchill on democracy being "the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried."
I have wondered why religious "conservatives" fight against equality so strenuously, and I think it comes down to the question of whose world is it: they believe in a hierarchy where their personal imaginary friend (really an extension of their own ego) makes the rules, and the government follows them, and they can look down on anybody they say their imaginary friend doesn't like. As Lyndon Johnson said, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
Restoring the OS partition takes fifteen minutes and you don't have to baby sit it either.
What about all the updates that need to be downloaded and re-installed, often requiring a series of restarts?
And I couldn't be bothered.
This is where Apple succeeds and Microsoft fails: "When you come to a fork in the road, take it."
Apple chooses to make hardware and software that work simply. Customers love it, especially customers who do not want to get dragged into the technical details.
Microsoft tries to copy Apple by making Windows appear simple, but that over-simplification causes endless problems. Microsoft has forgotten the directness of DOS and has failed to incorporate fully the practicality of the Internet: Windows produces countless obscure error messages, and does not even let users copy and paste those errors into a search engine. (Windows may occasionally offer to search for help on the Internet, but in my experience that fails every time. I laugh out loud when it suggests "phone a friend," like a game show on TV.) I had to create a DOS batch file to get Windows "Device Manager" to show all devices, because Windows insisted on creating duplicate entries and hiding them from view, and then getting lost among them. DOS and Windows through 3.11 worked for people who were interested in taking apart their computers and making everything work, then from 95 onwards MSFT over-simplified the GUI while making the underlying OS exponentially more complex with registries and multiple user accounts on each personal computer.
As the market shifted to smartphones, which people can't take apart, AAPL has surpassed MSFT. Ironically, MSFT has actually accelerated that shift by producing oversimplified (and thus really difficult) operating systems that drove people away from desktops. (The HDD duopoly of Seagate and WD hurt too, raising the cost of the destkop's storage advantage.) Due to the problems in the desktop space, people are buying either smartphones or Arduino/Raspberry or a combination.
a different viewpoint than errc's
I think a plant-based diet is usually better, but I respect errc, who is often right about dietary matters that most Americans (including most government proclamations) get wrong.
I don't agree with errc about pork, at least not the factory-produced pork that dominates supermarket shelves. Looking at which religions survived can (ironically) provide insights into evolution at work: shunning pork is one of the few things that both Jewish and Muslim fundamentalists agree on. Although their reasons predate the germ theory of disease, that dietary restriction may have conferred a significant survival advantage. Pigs are biologically too similar to humans, and too dirty, causing a perennial risk of disease transfer. (In the KJV, Leviticus calls pork "abomination", meaning unclean.) As the 1918 influenza pandemic showed, and as recent episodes of swine flu have reminded us, keeping pigs and humans in close proximity can have disastrous consequences. Today, factory farming has added some distance, but produced terribly toxic consequences of its own, e.g. effluent poisoning streams and ground water. With modern understanding of disease, it may be possible to produce pork safely, but worldwide the market is dominated by dangerous practices (either 3rd world pig farmers living with their pigs, or 1st world factory farms). Eating pork is an oversized version of driving SUVs, which are both more dangerous for their occupants and much more dangerous for everyone else on the road: the lives you save by avoiding both pork and SUVs may include your own, and are even more likely to include others in your community.
Update: one User Disliked this comment before I even had time to add links. I assume good faith, but certain industries have their boosters (either paid or addicted or both).
@curious2 actually eating less fat isn't recommended. Here's an extremely recent study whose conclusions are leading to a revolution in dietary thinkin with regard to fat.
@Quigley, if you had read the link in my comment before replying to it, you would have seen it was about people who have bile problems, e.g. possibly HydroCabron.
"The Building Trades Council – usually stalwart supporters of new development – voted to oppose the 274-unit rental housing project at 2000 Bryant St. in the Mission in part because developer Nick Podell hasn’t committed to hiring a unionized firm for every construction contractor role."
IMO, Win7 remains better, largely due to compatibility. Win7 can run most stuff built for XP, but Win8 cannot. I prefer the Win7 GUI also, but I could accept Win8.1 if it worked better. Perhaps MS hoped incompatibility would induce everyone to abandon their old gear and buy a Surface, but it hasn't worked out that way.
trying to feed the baby to the dog?
What breed of dog is that? I've seen too many reports of children getting mauled by a family pit bull. That dog might be thinking, "patience, jaws not big enough yet to maul this punk, must wait until its parents aren't watching..."
The mother of a child whose son got mauled to death said, "I have no regrets about that day." T. Gondii reproduces only in cats, but can also infect mice; it evolved the ability to make infected mice attracted to cats, which helps the cats and the parasite, but has obviously disastrous consequences for the mouse. Infection can also cause mental illness and self-destructive behavior in humans. Other parasites might explain why parents choose to feed their children (or neighbors) to dogs.
Their website tried to run too many scripts so I didn't read all the details but I suspect the packages might require an annual subscription, in which case the total cost would exceed $100. The cellular industry has become notorious for deceptive pricing and misleading marketing and PR, and of course the more they are allowed to get away with, the more emboldened and ambitious they become.
Again, for anyone who hasn't, please check TOB/rootvg's "website" and comment history.
@EBGuy, I've been thinking about your comment about TOB's misogyny:
I also place more weight on ToB hates women to differentiate him from rootvg.
The issue is, Mrs. rootvg knows about the rootvg account, so he doesn't mention misogyny there. She might not know about the TOB account.
As for the timing of TOB/rootvg's June 18 thread, I can think of at least three possibilities.
1) President Obama was in SF June 19&20, so the Secret Service may have decided (prudently) to check on TOB/rootvg at his "well fortified" house.
2) The childless Mrs. rootvg may have figured out why rootvg withholds his precious bodily fluids from her. If she has figured that out, then she may decide to move on before her bio-clock winds down. Involuntary acquaintance with the divorce laws of any state can destabilize even a normal person, producing in TOB/rootvg the potentially lethal reaction stated in the OP.
3) a pharmacy error or Rx change may have upset TOB/rootvg's brain (im)balances.
Any or all of the above, or any combination, could light the fuse of rootvg/TOB. People who knew Dylann Roof probably regret now that they failed to speak out sooner.
The icracked service seems limited to Apple and Samsung products. Also, the linked article says, "With iCracked Advantage, customers pay $7 per month to be part of the program and then pay $25 each time they need a repair. So, the minimum cost would be $25+$7=$32, plus maybe tax.
He looks a little bit like Clint Eastwood, and he's even selling empty chairs.
If Clint had whipped out a chain saw at the GOP convention and sawed the chair in half, or karate chopped it in half with his bare hands, the audience might have cheered.
has the unenviable task of rationalizing whatever the Vatican wants them to say, and their "study" compared children of intact two-parent heterosexual couples to children of divorced parents, single parents, and foster parents. They presented their results as (of all things) an attack on gay parents, in order to provide a flying buttress for the Vatican position on marriage. As your first link showed, actual studies that compare children of same-sex couples to similarly situated children of opposite-sex couples find they do equally well.
Tying this back to the OP, the biggest risk of moving to TX would seem to be the influence TX culture might have on teens, who can be more influenced by their peers than by their parents. Some of the young tech workers moving to TX for what seem to be greener pastures might want to be very careful about building and maintaining a community, because it takes a village to raise a child. If the village is governed by Rick Perry, then the risk is god, guns, and derp. Texas elected a fine governor in Ann Richards, but voters replaced her with GW Bush following a Rovian whisper campaign claiming (falsely) that Richards was a secret lesbian; gun control was also an issue, something about whether you could carry a concealed AK everywhere IIRC. Nobody wants their kid to become the next Dylann Roof.
Following the links in the Wikipedia article, San Antonio has a non-discrimination ordinance including sexual orientation.
As for the rest of Texas, much of it is in some ways similar to where most of America was 40 or 50 years ago. People have to live somewhere, and some have additional family ties. If you're from San Antonio, and your family live there, you don't necessarily move to Wisconsin for legal rights. If you get married to someone from San Antonio and have kids, and at least half the grandparents are in San Antonio, and you can buy a house with bedrooms and a yard, then it might be the best option. The risk of discrimination is only one risk among many; midwesterners say (between tornadoes) they're afraid of CA earthquakes and wildfires, a friend in NY feared FL's hurricanes, etc.
Really? How did they come up with that stat?
If you follow the links, they lead to a study of Census data, but something seems to have got lost in translation: "Using new census data, the Williams Institute at UCLA found that 34% of same-sex couples in San Antonio are raising children under 18." IOW, UCLA didn't say that San Antonio has more gay parents than SFBA, only that among gay couples in SF, the % who are also parents is lower than in San Antonio. That is consistent with other demographic measures: people in SF (gay or straight) tend to be younger and are less likely to have kids; once they do have kids, they tend to move someplace where extra bedrooms and outdoor yards cost less, e.g. San Antonio. If money were no object, they would probably stay in SFBA.
BAO, thanks for the linked article, which puts the non-mortgage cost at $6,100/year in Houston and $4,600/year nationally, a difference of more than 20%. Other costs in a city might be lower compared to other places, for example if you can find an area where you don't need a car.
The issue with Houston and Austin is they're in Texas, small islands of sanity surrounded by a deep swamp of Rick Perry. Their medical situation is a disaster, as Texas law provides even less consumer protection than California. Even (especially) with Obamneycare, a single emergency might bankrupt most people. Part of that disaster results from a pre-existing cynical culture of "tort reform" and entrepreneurial "overtreatment...driven to maximize revenues" especially among people too ignorant and frightened to question it, and most of it results from the religious insistence on empowering ignorance and fear over evidence and reason.
grain fed cattle and hens
Subsidizing corn and certain other grains has caused disastrous dietary consequences. Cows don't naturally eat corn, if they have a choice, and they have their reasons for that. Alas in a CAFO lot it's mostly what they get, along with the pulverized remains of other cows and a lot of manure dust. The result is unhealthy "food" and unhealthy people getting fat on it, and increasingly miserable, so they reach for more PhRMA pills to treat their depression, but the pills only make it worse.
You can safely translate 80% of requests to change yourself as....
I must add this to my list of reasons why PatNet gets overrun by trolls. HydroCabron has one of the worst troll scores on PatNet: almost every post is bitter bile coughed up onto a screen, and yet any evidence suggesting he should change gets lost in translation. Different people have different dietary needs, and some should actually consider eating less fat.
The reason rents go up is due to a shortage of homes available for rent.
If they want to make housing affordable, they will need to allow enough construction to meet demand. That does not happen in SFBA, because policy is driven by current vested interests: current owners and, in SF, current tenants. Rent control has very little effect on total supply, but protects the current crop of tenants at the expense of others. Each faction blames the other: landlords blame tenants (rent control), and tenants blame "greedy" landlords. Any time somebody proposes the only real solution, i.e. more construction, the local response is NIMBY!