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  • On 23 Jan 2015 in I found APOCALYPSEFUCK's truck!!!, Dan8267 said:

    His dildo...

  • On 23 Jan 2015 in Smarter people use iPhones - study, Dan8267 said:

    Bigsby says

    Dan8267 says

    But hey, if you're talking return on investment, it was Google, not Apple, were you should have placed your money. Apple stock in the past decade has been shit compared to Google.

    Are you talking about since 2005?

    Sorry, my bad. Mistyped "decades". Yeah, if you cherry pick dates, you can make just about any stock look good. But if you're not timing the market, which no one can do consistently, then comparing the growth since IPO, Google beats Apple hands down. Google's compounded annualized return since IPO is 30.15% compared to Apple's just under 17%. This was on NPR recently during the 10th anniversary of Google's IPO.

    So the question is are you the type of person who thinks he can time the market. I don't even try because I figure there are too many sharks out there who do this 24/7 and have access to information way quicker than I do.

    Also, for every Apple or Google there are tens if not hundreds of Pets.com. And no one has a crystal ball to see which is which. Better to buy and hold and invest steadily in a wide range of assets over a long period of time. That's the Vanguard way pioneered by John Bogle. It may not be sexy, but half of the investments in the market, by mathematical necessity, do worse than the S&P 500 and Wilshire 5000 indices, and that's before you count the various fees and commissions you pay.

  • On 22 Jan 2015 in Smarter people use iPhones - study, Dan8267 said:

    Bigsby says

    Dan8267 says

    But hey, prove me wrong. Name at least ten seriously bad things about the iPhone.

    I'll mention a few...

    Failure, both in number and seriousness. If that's the best you can do, you're hardly being objective. I've can name more important problems that are common to both Android and iPhones.

    Here's an example. Horrendous Apple 'Keylogger' Flaw Lets Hackers See Everything You Do On Your iPhone. Key loggers have been installed by OEMs on both iPhones and Android devices. And since both run Unix as the OS, often it's the same spyware.

    Now if having your banking and personal photos compromised isn't a big deal to you then I could understand how you overlooked this. But really, are you seriously looking at your iPhone objectively if your top complaints are the ones above?

  • On 22 Jan 2015 in Smarter people use iPhones - study, Dan8267 said:

    Bigsby says

    You are over generalising and making mileage out of a ridiculous comedy video. Apple has obviously made products that people have wanted

    I've never said anything that implied Apple never made a product that people didn't want. I think you want to have a conversation that is different, and not relevant, to everything I've said. If so, please start a new thread. However, I reserve the right to not disagree with you, so it may be a damn short thread if you base it on a Straw Man argument.

    Bigsby says

    So a small group of people hyperventilate over Apple's stuff. Big deal. I find it just as strange that people who like other products get so annoyed by it.

    What we people find annoying is the false claims that Apple is the leader of innovation when every single product they ever released was a copy-n-paste of someone else's product and then given a new paint job. That's all I'm saying.

    There are technologies that truly advanced the computing industry, and that industry includes portable music players, smart phones, the Internet, etc. When people advance technology, I respect that. When people claim to have advanced technology but are simply creating a new fashion, I don't respect that. When a fan base takes a shit on everyone else while claiming their idol invented things that can be clearly traced back to the very people they just shitted on, I don't respect the people in that fan base. And that's all I've been saying.

    If you want to discuss anything else, feel free to open a thread and clearly state your point. I may or may not agree with it, but I'll give you an honest reason why in either case.

  • On 22 Jan 2015 in Smarter people use iPhones - study, Dan8267 said:

    Bigsby says

    I'm not missing the point. If someone incorrectly claims credit for something, then fine, you pull them up on it, but that has nothing to do with how the end consumer views the product they purchased

    And if that were relevant to the discussion we were having...

  • On 22 Jan 2015 in Smarter people use iPhones - study, Dan8267 said:

    Strategist says

    No, it disproves your point.

    Contradiction is not debate. Nor is it convincing.

  • On 22 Jan 2015 in Smarter people use iPhones - study, Dan8267 said:

    Sarcastic answers only serve to prove my point.

  • On 22 Jan 2015 in Smarter people use iPhones - study, Dan8267 said:

    Bigsby says

    I see a lot of the Android fans being equally childish in their criticism of Apple.

    There's nothing childish about my criticisms of Apple or their fans here. You might not like those criticisms, but that doesn't make them untrue or unfair.

  • On 22 Jan 2015 in Smarter people use iPhones - study, Dan8267 said:

    hanera says

    Is hard to explain to others who don't appreciate the beauty of Apple design and it-just-works UX.

    All the software I've ever written my entire life "just works". I've seen Apple's OS crash and show a bomb icon -- that wouldn't fly today.

    As for aesthetics, that's completely subjective and is typically preferred based on what a person is used to and, in the case of Apple users, whether or not it's an Apple product. Take the logo off an Apple product and slap on a Microsoft logo and the Apple fan base will call it ugly and stupid. Take the Microsoft logo off a product and slap an Apple logo on, and the base will call it the greatest invention ever.

    Apple fanboys are like Fox News. It doesn't matter what the product or policy is: Apple/Republican good, everyone else bad. Look at how many of Obama's policies are identical to the ones Fox News praised under Bush but attack because now they got black cooties on them. Apple fanboys are no different.

    But hey, prove me wrong. Name at least ten seriously bad things about the iPhone.

  • On 22 Jan 2015 in Smarter people use iPhones - study, Dan8267 said:

    Bigsby says

    Why? It's of no real concern to the average consumer.

    You're missing my point. Whether or not you care about how technology evolves does not change they way in which technology evolves. One important and meaningful measure of the success of a technology is whether or not later technology is built on top of it.

  • On 22 Jan 2015 in Smarter people use iPhones - study, Dan8267 said:

    hanera says

    Thank you for the discourse, have to stop replying you for reason you should know.

    My only conjecture is this is your way of getting the last word. If that's important to you fine. I don't follow the dumb philosophy that the person who gets the last word "wins". I find the person with the best reason and evidence to be the most convincing. Then again, I'm a PC user, not a MAC user, so it's not surprising that I value substance over fluff.

  • On 22 Jan 2015 in Smarter people use iPhones - study, Dan8267 said:

    hanera says

    As an investor in AAPL since 1997, happy to let it be.

    People have made fortunes off of coal companies and wars. If that is your measure of success, fine, but it's irrelevant to this discussion.

    We're not talking about whether or not people could make money off of Apple stock. That's an entirely different issue. I own Apple stock. It's in the S&P 500. But that has nothing to do with the op or with the spun-off conversation about which platform is better.

    But hey, if you're talking return on investment, it was Google, not Apple, were you should have placed your money. Apple stock in the past decade has been shit compared to Google.

  • On 22 Jan 2015 in Smarter people use iPhones - study, Dan8267 said:

    Bigsby says

    Does that make you an Android fan boy?

    Here's the difference between fanboys and rational people. I can go into detail about what I like and dislike about Windows and what changes should be made to it. I praise Microsoft when they do something right, which happens quite a bit, but I also criticize Microsoft when they do something wrong, which happens even more often.

    The same goes for Android although I haven't had time to play with that platform enough.

    In contrast, to Apple fanboys, Apple can do no wrong. Ask them about how Apple sucks and they can't give you a reason. This has always been true. Even when shown side by side the disadvantages of an Apple product, they can't accept that it is inferior in any way. Of course, once Apple finally adopts the technology that everyone else has used for years, the fanboys cheer how innovative and cutting edge Apple is.

  • On 22 Jan 2015 in Smarter people use iPhones - study, Dan8267 said:

    Peter P says

    However, Apple runs an extremely effective religion

    Exactly. And that's why I do not respect the opinion of their disciples. It's not based on knowledge or understanding.

  • On 22 Jan 2015 in Smarter people use iPhones - study, Dan8267 said:

    hanera says

    Your post #29 quoted many Apple failures

    I'm sure there are plenty of failures after Jobs left. I just don't keep up.

    hanera says

    Mac's market share has been increasing for the past recent quarters.

    Mac's current market share is 0%.

    hanera says

    If include iPad as the same category as Mac and PC, market share of iPad/Mac is way higher than PC-Windows/Android tablets.

    If you include dogs as cats than cats make great pets...

    However, you are still wrong on your stats.

    According to Apple Insider, Apple has sold a total of 170 million iPads. That's quaint. Meanwhile, over four billion PCs have been sold where PC is defined as carrying an Intel x86 processor. And that's not including virtual PCs, which would increase the number by a factor of ten.

    Of course popularity does not imply the best platform. Beta-max was superior to VHS, but lost that war. But if you're going to quote numbers, you need to get them right.

    And if you are going to evaluate the success of a technology, you have to look at what technologies today's tech is based on. When you do video editing on a iPad, your using the MMX and XMM instructions that Intel built into their processors. It would not be possible to do any real video editing without those instructions. When you run two programs at once, you're using preemptive multitasking, again brought to you by Intel. You are also using multithreading, which first appeared in OS/2 and then Windows, and only much later in Unix, and never in an Apple OS. There are millions of such examples.

    Thank the PC, OS/2, Windows, Unix, and Palm OS for everything you like about iPhones and iPads.

  • On 22 Jan 2015 in Even Faux News is against anti-vaxers, Dan8267 said:

    tovarichpeter says

    Even Faux News is against anti-vaxers

    Yes, but I'm sure for the wrong reasons like cutting into health care provider profits.

  • On 22 Jan 2015 in Smarter people use iPhones - study, Dan8267 said:

    Bigsby says

    I know a lot of fans of Apple

    We all do. They are very vocal.

  • On 22 Jan 2015 in Smarter people use iPhones - study, Dan8267 said:

    Bigsby says

    I thought he just demonstrated

    Apple fanboys believe that Apple invented
    - the Internet
    - the smart phone
    - tablets
    - the graphical user interface
    - round corners

    Truth is, Apple has invented nothing. Apple fanboys will believe anything positive about Apple.

  • On 22 Jan 2015 in Smarter people use iPhones - study, Dan8267 said:

    hanera says

    Dan8267,

    Still living in the past? Is 2015 already. Current CEO Apple is Tim Cook. Steve Jobs returned in 1997, and everything change. Sadly, he left us in 2011.

    Sorry, I don't recall mentioning that Steve Jobs in this thread. You must have me confused with someone else.

    I'm well aware that the wicked witch is dead.

  • On 22 Jan 2015 in Smarter people use iPhones - study, Dan8267 said:

    hanera says

    Dan8267 says

    Finally, Android will be the winner of the Android-iOS war just like the PC won the PC-MAC war and for the exact same reasons.

    Seeing what happen to Compaq, Dell, HPQ, INTC and MSFT, really love that history would repeat similarly for iOS. HPQ, INTC and MSFT are still trading below ATH established in 1999/2000. Can't find tickers for Compaq and Dell :(.

    Yet every server on the Internet is a PC, save one in a million. Every smartphone you touch is talking to a PC to get its data. There are more PCs being sold today than at any other time in history.

    Don't confuse the demise of specific companies with the demise of the PC.

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