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Occupy vs. SOPA strike


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2012 Jan 20, 3:11pm   3,670 views  7 comments

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SOPA strikers successfully redirected outrage.
Occupiers are just becoming outrageous.
SOPA strikers came off as heroic. Occupiers don't, anymore.
There's nothing heroic about breaking into the Cathedral Park hotel, or clogging downtown during the first major storm, or the public expense involved in raising this awareness.

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1   Dan8267   2012 Jan 20, 3:30pm  

OWS has been utterly ineffective like everything the Millennials do. The only thing OWS has accomplish is getting the federal government to pass the NDAA to stop OWS and similar protests.

The problem with the Millennials is that they are looking to the wrong generation for inspiration. The Baby Boomers accomplished nothing. They protested the Vietnam war for over ten years and didn't stop or even shorten it. They failed to change the government policy of fighting undeclared wars. Their communal living experiments failed. They couldn't even get weed legalized after forty years. The Baby Boomers accomplished nothing.

The Millennials should instead look towards the progressive generation, those that lived in the early 1900s. That generation gave us the 40 hour work week, the right of labor to organize, the middle class, and woman's suffrage. They actually accomplished something. Until the Millennials realize that the 1960s were nothing but bullshit, they will never accomplish anything.

2   futuresmc   2012 Jan 20, 4:26pm  

Dan8267 says

The problem with the Millennials is that they are looking to the wrong generation for inspiration. The Baby Boomers accomplished nothing. They protested the Vietnam war for over ten years and didn't stop or even shorten it. They failed to change the government policy of fighting undeclared wars. Their communal living experiments failed. They couldn't even get weed legalized after forty years. The Baby Boomers accomplished nothing.
The Millennials should instead look towards the progressive generation, those that lived in the early 1900s. That generation gave us the 40 hour work week, the right of labor to organize, the middle class, and woman's suffrage. They actually accomplished something. Until the Millennials realize that the 1960s were nothing but bullshit, they will never accomplish anything.

Firstly, I think you are overly critical of boomers. They are flesh and blood human beings. They made mistakes but they had their successes. Our culture has changed over time due to their influence. Some changes, like lessening the strictures of gender roles, was good change. Others, like trickle down economics were bad. But nobody gets it right all the time.

As for Millenials looking to boomers, they don't. Most now see them as competition for scarse resources.

The problem with following the progressive generation is that none of them are alive to give advice. Boomers are still here and still active.

3   Shaman   2012 Jan 20, 9:55pm  

If the WWII era adults were the "Greatest Generation" then the boomers are the whiniest generation. They started off protesting inequality (when it was them on the short end of the stick) and finished by creating inequality by spending the antecedent generations into a hole, being careful to pad their retirement pensions in the way out the door. The ironic thing is that the very same people who were against war and for weed are now against weed and for endless war.
If, that is, it doesn't affect their taxes or investment properties.

4   TPB   2012 Jan 21, 1:47am  

The fundamental difference is the SOPA protest had a clear and decise plan of action, and tangible enemy and they weren't afraid to drop names.

Where as the OWS movement, was a Liberal front to sway public opinion to make the 1% the enemy. Of course no names were ever mentioned, as to be very careful not to sling shit on the Wealthiest Liberals in Washington and America.

The SOPA protest message was send "Washington" a clear message. (Democrats and Republicans)

OWS message was Republicans are rich, and they should be taxed, then all of America's problems will go away.

5   bg1   2012 Jan 22, 12:01am  

So, I have a love hate reaction to the OWS people. I am super socially liberal. I believe the freedom of speech. I think the media does not do us a service with regard to real-estate or income disparity. It is criminal the way they fail us. So, I think OWS did something good in bringing that to the awareness of the sheeple. That said, in my mid thirties, I the liberal chick that I am, fell in love with a kind, gentle, loving, handsome man who turns out to be a police officer.

He happens to be a police officer in the Bay Area who has to get involved with all of these protests. I see the other side of that now. His officers come home with concussions inflected by "peaceful protestors". Sure, 80% of the protestors out there aren't sociopaths, but 20% are. They throw rocks, they taunt, incite, hold hostage, intimidate and terrorize. They chant peaceful protest while they do it. So, I would have to agree. SOPA protest has been 100% better than the OWS protest.

My heart is with the cause of OWS, but completely opposed to the methods. I have written several letters to my representatives about SOPA. CL provided a graceful tool to facilitate that.

6   bg1   2012 Jan 22, 12:03am  

The GOP says

OWS message was Republicans are rich, and they should be taxed, then all of America's problems will go away.

I am not sure that it is spelled out as republican. Just the rich should be taxed. Our country is suffering from the disappearance of the middle class. I suppose if you are republican and rich it might feel you are singled out. IMO, it is anyone rich who isn't paying enough taxes. I don't care what party they are from.

7   Dan8267   2012 Jan 22, 1:33am  

futuresmc says

Firstly, I think you are overly critical of boomers.

Perhaps, but as a Gen Xer, I reserve that right. Generations are judged by those that come after them. You'll find a lot of Gen Xers have negative opinions of Boomers.

futuresmc says

Our culture has changed over time due to their influence.

Correction: Our culture has changed over time in order to accommodate the Boomers at every stage of their life. In the 1950s, everything revolved around making kiddies happy. In the 1960s and 1970s, i.e. when the Boomers were young, poor, and horny, the country was liberal, sex was free, and the middle class still had disposable income.

When the Boomers hit their 30s in the 1980s and started buying houses and purchasing stock, the country became conservative very quickly and then accepted that "greed is good" just when the Boomers were in their peak career days. And now that the Boomers are retiring, they are writing policies that are in effect a Going out of Business Sale for America: outsourcing jobs, selling citizenship with American land, indebting our country, and selling the infrastructure of the Internet to China and India.

And don't even get me started on how the Boomers have destroyed all rights from the Magna Carta to the Constitution to international laws on human rights.

For the past 60 years this country has rearranged itself for the benefit of the Boomers at the expense of every other generation. Not that all Boomers are bad, just most of them.

futuresmc says

As for Millenials looking to boomers, they don't. Most now see them as competition for scarse resources.

If that's true, then it's a good thing. Before the Second Great Depression, the Millennials were naively trusting of corporations, and they thought life would be easy for them. The one good thing about the Second Great Depression is that ii has permanently changed the Millennials.

futuresmc says

The problem with following the progressive generation is that none of them are alive to give advice.

I wouldn't call that a problem with the progressive generation. I would say that's a problem with the generations that came after them. We should have written down their stories in detail before they died. Details like how they pulled it off. Still, what has been recorded should be the basis for OWS.

Quigley says

If the WWII era adults were the "Greatest Generation" then the boomers are the whiniest generation

The WWII era young adults were not the greatest generation by far. However, the boomers are still the whiniest, even worse than Gen X, which has reasons to whine.

Remember, WWII was pretty much entrench in racism and xenophobia. But the worse thing the WWII generation did was spoil their kids. I understand why the did it. They grew up in the depression and had to sacrifice a lot during WWII -- even those not fighting in WWII had to make due with heavy rationing. So when the economy was good, they wanted to make life as happy as possible for their kids. They didn't want their kids to have to want for anything like they had to during the depression. The problem is that they overcompensated and raised the most spoiled, self-centered generation ever.

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