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Patrick.net Suggestions

By someone else following x   2012 Apr 2, 7:09am 22,922 views   60 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


This is the place to make suggestions for how Patrick.net can be most helpful to you and to discuss them.

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41   someone else   ignore (0)   2016 Nov 25, 2:19pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

smaulgld says

Some idea, suggestions

To Get Users You used to send out emails once a week of curated stories. That probably drove decent traffic to the site. Maybe start that again

Actually reading and selecting stories (which I did for years) turned out to be so much unpaid work that I gave up. I could send out an email of the top-liked or top-commented links pretty easily though.

Monetization: having anchor advertisers would help sell the site as well as google adsense (which sounds like is gone as an option)

How would I get anchor advertisers? Maybe I should just sell Patrick.net swag instead: cups, hats, shirts Even if sold cheap, it's good advertising.

Adsense revenue kept declining, so I gave up on it too.

Small Design Change- keep current layout but perhaps have a bar that lists say the top 5-8 general topics, US Politics, real estate etc that opens and shows only those posts, let people subscribe to topics (see above)

Yes, I do want to customize the site so the people can get tabs for topics they are interested in, and subscribe by topic. Just haven't done it yet.

Add share buttons

I have my own share button, but no one uses it. Literally no one! Not sure why. Maybe because it asks for an email address to share with.

Add real estate widgets- home valuation etc.

I did have my own valuation calculator, but others do it better, esp NY Times rent vs buy. Anyway, I want to really be a discussion forum more than anything else.

Write another book! I bought the first one

Need inspiration! Thinking of something like "Ten Politically Incorrect Truths".

42   curious2   ignore (1)   2016 Nov 25, 3:07pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Patrick says

Need inspiration!

The Medical Trap

Patrick says

Thinking of something like "Ten Politically Incorrect Truths".

That seems, perhaps paradoxically, too many and too few.

Please just keep in mind that while truth (meaning factual accuracy) is a complete defense to defamation, caricatures tend not to be truth. Technically correct may be the best kind of correct, but cherry-picking and confirmation bias can make a badly tendentious book.

43   c1561490   ignore (0)   2016 Nov 25, 3:20pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

please put links to the next/previous/etc page in a thread at both the top and bottom of the page.

44   c1561490   ignore (0)   2016 Nov 25, 3:32pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Patrick says

@anonymous

Sadly, Turtledove was helping me by telling me about some error in the Javascript console on her browser on Windows, but now I can't ask her about it anymore.

Consider using one of the js error collection services. When js errors occur, they get automatically sent to a service for logging, where you can then go and view them. I can't recommend any as I've always written my own due to corporate intranet policy, but I never build web apps without js error collection anymore - there's always errors you're unaware of, and collection lets you find them. Users will rarely ever tell you about your bugs, especially if they don't happen often/repeatably, so being proactive yields much higher quality webapps.

Here's a list of what I'm talking about:

https://www.slant.co/topics/2615/~javascript-client-side-error-logging-services

They can automatically collect many errors via using the browser "error" event handler, so it's really easy & unobtrusive to install and use. But you get better results if you can wrap your code in special exception watching functions.

45   popsicle10   ignore (0)   2016 Nov 25, 3:55pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Oh the Don has changed his hair colourDan8267 says

Trolls do well not to piss off admins. This must be a new species of troll: suiciders.

46   someone else   ignore (0)   2016 Nov 25, 4:43pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Ironman says

I'm on Windoze and I don't have any problem with the "quote" function. I'm also using Firefox. Is it a problem only with Internet Explorer?

Thanks! Maybe it is only IE. That would be typical.

If you get a chance to check quoting on IE or Chrome, I'd be grateful.

47   someone else   ignore (0)   2016 Nov 25, 4:48pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

c1561490 says

Consider using one of the js error collection services. When js errors occur, they get automatically sent to a service for logging, where you can then go and view them.

Thanks @c1561490 this is a great idea. Then I won't have to ask people about errors in their particular browser.

48   anonymous   ignore (null)   2016 Nov 25, 5:02pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Personal anecdote... when there is a post at the top of the page, that has the UNREAD icon signaling me to click it to pick up the conversation where i left off, and one of the new posts is by a user that has me on ignore, it sends me to the OP. Which is kind of annoying. You've toyed around a bit with the ignore feature, not sure where the bright idea came from for the user ignoring someone posts are not visible.

49   curious2   ignore (1)   2016 Nov 25, 6:00pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

errc says

not sure where the...idea came from for the user ignoring someone posts are not visible.

IIRC, that originated with Typhoid Marcus, who (mis)uses Ignore as part of a dysfunctional game of tag, even using another browser to check the comments of Users (s)he pretends to Ignore. As one would expect from that troll, combining "Ignore" with "Hide from" was a sily idea producing nothing but dysfunction and annoyance, which was the goal.

50   someone else   ignore (0)   2016 Nov 26, 2:35pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

c1561490 says

please put links to the next/previous/etc page in a thread at both the top and bottom of the page.

@c1561490 your wish has been granted.

Links to other pages of comments are now at both the top and bottom of a thread (aka a post):

"« First « Previous Comments 15-54 of 54 Last »"

51   someone else   ignore (0)   2016 Nov 26, 6:36pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

errc says

Personal anecdote... when there is a post at the top of the page, that has the UNREAD icon signaling me to click it to pick up the conversation where i left off, and one of the new posts is by a user that has me on ignore, it sends me to the OP. Which is kind of annoying.

@errc OK, now that should be fixed. Thanks for pointing it out.

Here are the actual code changes, in case you're into that sort of thing:

https://github.com/killelea/patrick.net/commit/2a13bdda46f344d96ad29e422c668ddd9a5fcba9

52   anonymous   ignore (null)   2016 Nov 26, 6:42pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

@patrick nice, thanks

What is the reasoning behind having a person who's on ignore, being blocked from seeing the posts of the poster that ignored them?

Seems all #Safespaceish

53   someone else   ignore (0)   2016 Nov 26, 7:05pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

errc says

What is the reasoning behind having a person who's on ignore, being blocked from seeing the posts of the poster that ignored them?

Ah, there is a reason!

I talked to a friend who worked at Facebook about this, and concluded that people are not comfortable with one-sided ignore. The problem is that if you ignore someone, but they can still see what you wrote, then they can respond to your writing with mockery and insults, and you will not easily be able to reply to them. Or even know that they are mocking you in public.

So it seemed that the best thing to do was to make ignore mutual. If you ignore someone, you simply disappear from their radar and they disappear from yours. If you really can't get along, that means one side or the other is not trying to get along, and so the best thing is just to chill out and not talk for a while.

54   anonymous   ignore (null)   2016 Nov 26, 7:23pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Meh, you blow up any semblance of Free Speech forum by conveying that kind of power to any one special snowflake. Personally, I'd fade anything I gleaned from anyone even loosely associated with Facebook.

And just because some pussy is afraid of what I have to say, doesn't automatically mean that I couldn't benefit from something that they have to say. Besides, with your approach, it's quite obvious that anyone so infantile as to engage in that crap here, can work up a two second work around. And your left with a less than working resolution.

55   c1561490   ignore (0)   2016 Nov 27, 12:02am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Patrick says

c1561490 says

please put links to the next/previous/etc page in a thread at both the top and bottom of the page.

@c1561490 your wish has been granted.

Links to other pages of comments are now at both the top and bottom of a thread (aka a post):

"« First « Previous Comments 15-54 of 54 Last »"

Thank you!

56   someone else   ignore (0)   2016 Nov 27, 5:39am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

errc says

Meh, you blow up any semblance of Free Speech forum by conveying that kind of power to any one special snowflake. Personally, I'd fade anything I gleaned from anyone even loosely associated with Facebook.

And just because some pussy is afraid of what I have to say, doesn't automatically mean that I couldn't benefit from something that they have to say. Besides, with your approach, it's quite obvious that anyone so infantile as to engage in that crap here, can work up a two second work around. And your left with a less than working resolution.

No special snowflake has any more power than any other user. Well, I myself can edit whatever, but unlike the Reddit CEO I don't do that.

Ignores are only person-to-person. The important thing is that no one user A has the power to block user B from talking to everyone else.

Yes, you can still view the comments of someone who has you on ignore by logging out, and you could reply by creating a new identity with a new email, but that is inconvenient. And that's the point. I'm just trying to slow down bad interactions, like the lead bricks they use in nuclear power plants to prevent the thing from blowing up.

57   BlueSardine   ignore (1)   2016 Nov 27, 6:59am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

This is not completely true if the ignored cannot see or post to the ignorer's thread.
Maybe ignore should just apply to individual comments and not thread viewing/commenting?

Patrick says

Ignores are only person-to-person. The important thing is that no one user A has the power to block user B from talking to everyone else.

58   BlueSardine   ignore (1)   2016 Nov 27, 5:00pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Nice compromise. Be interesting to see how it works out...

59   anonymous   ignore (null)   2016 Nov 29, 12:13pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

@patrick

Doesn't seem to work at all. A thread pops to the top of the front page, I click either the icon that marks a new comment has been made, or the hyperlink to the last comment, and I'm directed to the Original Post. Tsk tsk, Patrick. Your "solution" is stifling Free Speech.

I'm forced to censor what I post, or risk offending some feeble minded sissy, because you empower other users to alter my experience.

If you want to enable the Anti-American Free Speech haters to have a Safe Space, you're going to lose more users. If you must assist those too weak to simply scroll past the comments of someone they do not like, then keep the ignore feature simple: if User A ignores User B, then User B comments are hidden from User A view. The End

No stupid suggestions from some Facebook loser about empowering the anti-free speech crowd, to adversely affect those of us who value Free Speech.

60   anonymous   ignore (null)   2016 Nov 29, 12:16pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Or, have all comments posted anonymously. No user names, No icons. Just words and thoughts. That way, there is no chance of those from the shallow end of the gene pool, cluttering the forum with personal attacks.

Isn't that kinda what reddit does?

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