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And Dan says Atheists are not religious.

CaptainShuddup says

And Dan says Atheists are not religious.

Maybe because by definition they aren't.

The Religious right burns all the Oil,
And create middle east turmoil
then they profit off of their plight,
they make you pay rent to the one percent,
Then give them tax breaks and then serves them cake
But they alwasy say grace before they eat

Because hell
Hell is for Libruls
And you know that their Athiest lives
can become such a deviant mess
Hell Hell is for Libruls
And you shouldn't have to pay for your Votes
With your Hope and your Change

The party's corupt, I know it's fucked up
They down size your job and then put in debt.
But you're a good christian republican, so you do what you can
Get right with the Lord and vote Gerald Ford
All you'll get to heaven some day

Because hell Hell is for Libruls
And you know that their Athiest lives can become such a diveiant mess
Hell Hell is for Libruls And you shouldn't have to pay for your Vote With your Hope and your Change No,
hell is for Libruls
Hell Hell is for hell Hell is for hell Hell is for Libruls
Hell Hell is for hell Hell is for hell Hell is for Libruls
Hell Hell is for hell Hell is for hell Hell is for Libruls
Hell is for Libruls
Hell is for Libruls

You're a very sad individual.

Greatest I am,
Glad to know that you are Omniscient & therefore know all God's
limitations.

If you are going to comment on something, you should read the literature first.

Nowhere does the Bible say that God has sinned.

He does have total control over demons, they even fear His name:
Mark 5:12
The demons begged Jesus, “Send us among the pigs; allow us to go into them.”

He cannot reproduce true/enjoy sex? Do you know everything? Just because it isn't mentioned doesn't mean it isn't true or doesn't exist. Or that it is even necessary or desirable. God made man in His image, that is reproduction.

He created Heaven before Satan.

Can a dog live without needs? Can you live without the aforementioned needs?

He cannot accept a soul that doesn't have Jesus because he is a just judge. If you committed a crime, the just judge wouldn't care how many good deeds you have done, you would have to pay for the crime you committed. The only way to escape payment would be if someone was punished in your place. Jesus paid your ransom. We are all sinners against a holy God who cannot bear sin and so the punishment was wrought upon Jesus and we are free to go in Jesus' name.

The knowledge of God is built into your system, but you refuse to believe it because you do not want to be held to account, you enjoy your life of sin too much and instead believe it's easier to say that God doesn't exist.

You can walk onto a freeway and say you don't believe in semi-trucks, but it won't change reality. God doesn't believe in atheists. The only limits God has are the ones non-believers place on Him as well as His own restraint.

Are You a Good Person?
http://www.youtube.com/embed/TCSUKIhjevo&feature=player_embedded

Claiming to Be Wise, the Atheists Become Fools
http://www.youtube.com/embed/MsexS0n5CmY&list=UUzpl6CJP6lo5vjsEAeIHnsg&index=2&feature=plcp

Atheist Saved by The Truth of The Sovereign God
http://www.youtube.com/embed/YkrIIN752Uk&list=UUzpl6CJP6lo5vjsEAeIHnsg&index=1&feature=plcp

I actually agree about evangelizing ridiculously arrogant religious atheists (such as Dan).

But your "poem" is far more pathetic.

"You shouldn't have to pay for for vote with "hope and change."

You sad little clown. You can't even entertain the idea that possibly Obama meant it. And that he was just naively wrong with his own hope of solving problems and his hope of being an instrument of change ?

If you honestly consider how conservative his policies are and how moderate he truly is, then you would understand why it was that he personally had hope of bridging the partisan mess that is Washington DC.

CaptainShuddup says

Because hell
Hell is for Libruls

Really? Let's hope you've been smoking that wacky weed again.

Well either the religious right are right, and there is a God, and a subsequent heaven and hell. Which would mean most Liberals are going to Hell, they lived out side the Lord because of their hatred of the Republicans. Screwed by their own smug sanctimonious indignation. Donald Trump will be at St Peters gate, with Obama's fake birth certificate. as the Big guy itemizes the bad marks.

OR!

The Liberals are right, and there is no God, or Heaven and Hell, but they are robbed of the eternal "I told you so"

It's Win-Win for the conservative right.

Let me get this straight.

There's an invisible man who created the entire universe, and he and his Jewish Carpenter really give two shits who, how, when and why I screw, what I eat or don't eat, etc.

The only evidence of this is claims made by some goat-roasters from 2000 years ago that were written down on a goat-skin scroll.

All the crap attributed to demons we now know is either mental disorders or some kind of food poisoning or fungus infestation.
The more people reject this invisible man, the better life gets.

Yeah, excuse me if I don't buy the bull.

CaptainShuddup says

Which would mean most Liberals are going to Hell, they lived out side the Lord because of their hatred of the Republicans. Screwed by their own smug sanctimonious indignation. Donald Trump will be at St Peters gate, with Obama's fake birth certificate. as the Big guy itemizes the bad marks.

You have to laugh.

Greatest I Am,

Your name implies YOU are God, right? Why don't you just tell your creatures your limitations.

Thunder,

You don't enjoy a good Red Bull and roasted goat now and then? It's a tasty combo...

CaptainShuddup says

there is a God...
OR!
... no God

*YAWN* common Shuddup... do you really not know that Pascal's Wager is fraught with flaws?

You better start covering your bases, and practicing every religion out there that you can.

Cause.... you-know... they might be right...

Yep. Even if you accept Christianity purely on Pascal's Wager, a billion Muslims say you're going to Hell for not worshipping Allah.

Greatest I am says

How then can Christians say that God omnipotent, all-powerful and without limits when he clearly has many?

A lot of your items listed have been answered by various christian factions. Mormons for instance have taught that we are literal children of god; that god fucked Mary to get her pregnant; and one day -- if we "follow the plan" -- will "grow-up" to become gods of our own.

Anyway, you could have used the good ol' standby...

"Can god make a rock that is so heavy even he can not lift it?"

wthrfrk80 says

Yep. Even if you accept Christianity purely on Pascal's Wager, a billion Muslims say you're going to Hell for not worshipping Allah.

Yeah, Pascal's Wager is actually a poor argument for Christianity. To hedge your bets on getting into heaven (or where ever) you need to follow as many religions as possible. Christianity is a very mutually exclusive religion that, depending on your flavor, even may view other christians as heretics. To stick with the Mormon example they view all other christian denominations as abominations -- along with every other religion.

So, you are much better off taking the wager and following eastern and polytheistic traditions that are not mutually exclusive to each other.

HEY YOU says

Greatest I am,

Glad to know that you are Omniscient & therefore know all God's

limitations.

Christians fathom the unfathomable God and I do not.
If wrong on my view, I await correction.
Your chastisement without correction just shows the hate in your heart.

Do you also spank your children without correcting them of telling them why?

Regards
DL

Greatest I am says

HEY YOU says

Greatest I am,

Glad to know that you are Omniscient & therefore know all God's

limitations.

Christians fathom the unfathomable God and I do not.

If wrong on my view, I await correction.

Your chastisement without correction just shows the hate in your heart.

Do you also spank your children without correcting them of telling them why?

Regards

DL

Wait a second here....

Maybe you are an Omniscient god as HEY YOU suggests.

I think that before this discussion can continue you first need to prove that you are not a god trying to trick us.

Savethepopulation

“If you are going to comment on something, you should read the literature first.

Nowhere does the Bible say that God has sinned.”

Actually, it says he does.

Before I get the quotes. A quick question for you.

If I place a lie in someone’s mind and they pass on that lie, am I culpable of lying?
Would God also be culpable for doing the same thing?

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“He does have total control over demons, they even fear His name:”

If so, why did he allow Satan or the talking snake access to his new proto-humans A & E?

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“He cannot reproduce true/enjoy sex? Do you know everything? Just because it isn't mentioned doesn't mean it isn't true or doesn't exist. Or that it is even necessary or desirable. God made man in His image, that is reproduction.”
That is creating. Not reproducing.

If in his image and we have a strong reproductive drive, then he would have the same. Do you see any other non-half breed Gods about?

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“He created Heaven before Satan.”

Ok. That does not take away that he could not keep perfection before creating the earth.

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“He cannot accept a soul that doesn't have Jesus because he is a just judge. If you committed a crime, the just judge wouldn't care how many good deeds you have done, you would have to pay for the crime you committed. The only way to escape payment would be if someone was punished in your place. Jesus paid your ransom. We are all sinners against a holy God who cannot bear sin and so the punishment was wrought upon Jesus and we are free to go in Jesus' name.”

So a just judge is concerned with someone’s beliefs and not their actions.
Sick.

Are you saying you would let an innocent man be punished in your stead?
Good morals there friend. God will send you to hell for trying to profit from him having his son needlessly murdered.

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“you refuse to believe it because you do not want to be held to account,”

I know that I am accountable for all that I do and see that you do not think you are as you line up to profit from the murder of an innocent man and put your accountability on his back.
Rather pathetic and blind of you.

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“it's easier to say that God doesn't exist.”

I am not an atheist but thanks for the assumption.

Our difference is that the Godhead I know has morals while yours does not.

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It was God's plan from the beginning to have Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit. This can be demonstrated by the fact that the bible says that Jesus "was crucified from the foundations of the Earth," that is to say, God planned to crucify Jesus as atonement for sin before he even created human beings or God damned sin.

If God had not intended humans to sin from the beginning, why did he build into the Creation this "solution" for sin? Why create a solution for a problem you do not anticipate?

God knew that the moment he said "don't eat from that tree," the die was cast. The eating was inevitable. Eve was merely following the plan.

This then begs the question.

What kind of God would plan and execute the murder of his own son when there was absolutely no need to?

Only an insane God. That’s who.

The cornerstone of Christianity is human sacrifice, thus showing it‘s immorality.

One of Christianity's highest form of immorality is what they have done to women.
They have denied them equality and subjugated them to men.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/jqN8EYIIR3g&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/embed/9dspWh9g3hU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/embed/9c0RFxXrYzg&feature=related

Regards
DL

CaptainShuddup says

Well either the religious right are right, and there is a God, and a subsequent heaven and hell. Which would mean most Liberals are going to Hell, they lived out side the Lord because of their hatred of the Republicans. Screwed by their own smug sanctimonious indignation. Donald Trump will be at St Peters gate, with Obama's fake birth certificate. as the Big guy itemizes the bad marks.

OR!

The Liberals are right, and there is no God, or Heaven and Hell, but they are robbed of the eternal "I told you so"

It's Win-Win for the conservative right.

And all that while busy with their minds on pussy.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/4iMBUoxLOmA

Regards
DL

wthrfrk80 says

Greatest I Am,

Your name implies YOU are God, right? Why don't you just tell your creatures your limitations.

The Godhead I know in a nutshell.
I was a skeptic till the age of 39.
I then had an apotheosis and later branded myself a Gnostic Christian naturalist.
Gnostic Christian because I exemplify this quote from William Blake.

“Both read the Bible day and night, But thou read'st black where I read white.”

This refers to how Gnostics tend to reverse, for moral reasons, what Christians see in the Bible. We tend to recognize the evil ways of O T God where literal Christians will see God’s killing as good. Christians are sheeple where Gnostic Christians are goats.
This perhaps why we see the use of a Jesus scapegoat as immoral, while theists like to make Jesus their beast of burden. An immoral position.

During my apotheosis, something that only lasted 5 or 6 seconds, the only things of note to happen was that my paradigm of reality was confirmed and I was chastised to think more demographically. What I found was what I call a cosmic consciousness. Not a new term but one that is a close but not exact fit.

I recognize that I have no proof. That is always the way with apotheosis.
This is also why I prefer to stick to issues of morality because no one has yet been able to prove that God is real and I have no more proof than they for the cosmic consciousness.

The cosmic consciousness is not a miracle working God. He does not interfere with us save when one of us finds it. Not a common thing from what I can see. It is a part of nature and our next evolutionary step.

I tend to have more in common with atheists who ignore what they see as my delusion because our morals are basically identical. Theist tend not to like me much as I have no respect for literalists and fundamentals and think that most Christians have tribal mentalities and poor morals.

I am rather between a rock and a hard place but this I cannot help.

I am happy to be questioned on what I believe but whether or not God exists is basically irrelevant to this world for all that he does not do, and I prefer to thrash out moral issues that can actually find an end point. The search for God is never ending when you are of the Gnostic persuasion. My apotheosis basically says that I am to discard whatever God I found, God as a set of rules that is, not idol worship it but instead, raise my bar and seek further.

My apotheosis also showed me that God has no need for love, adoration or obedience. He has no needs. Man has dominion here on earth and is to be and is the supreme being.

Regards
DL

leoj707 says

Greatest I am says

How then can Christians say that God omnipotent, all-powerful and without limits when he clearly has many?

A lot of your items listed have been answered by various christian factions. Mormons for instance have taught that we are literal children of god; that god fucked Mary to get her pregnant; and one day -- if we "follow the plan" -- will "grow-up" to become gods of our own.

Anyway, you could have used the good ol' standby...

"Can god make a rock that is so heavy even he can not lift it?"

Not enough sex to draw a Christian crowd with.

Regards
DL

leoj707 says

Wait a second here....

Maybe you are an Omniscient god as HEY YOU suggests.

I think that before this discussion can continue you first need to prove that you are not a god trying to trick us.

If you read post 22 then you will note that I think we are all God WIP's.

All the omni's are man made just like all the supernatural Gods.

About half the atheists I know accept me as our morals are about the same and I hvae no dogma to sell.

The other half will argue that the Godhead that I know as natural is part of the woo and supernatural but since I do not push something that I cannot prove, it just takes them longer to cotton to me.

Careful on your reply because if negative, you will know in advance that either way, here in Canada,--------it's

http://www.youtube.com/embed/X4NKYn4A3mg

Regards
DL

GIA,

You hang around with ArtimusMaxtor much?

wthrfrk80 says

GIA,

You hang around with ArtimusMaxtor much?

No. Don't know him.

Regards
DL