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INTELLIGENT REPUBLICANS; A QUESTION FOR YOU

By marcus follow marcus   2012 Jun 29, 4:28pm 39,961 views   134 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


No, "intelligent republicans" is not an oxymoron. THere are intelligent republicans. Or at least there used to be.

Here's the question.

Republicans are promising to repeal and redo "ObamaCare," while preserving pre-exisitng conditions coverage, and all of the other favored aspects of ObamaCare, but killing the mandated coverage of everyone (or penalty (tax if you prefer)for not being covered).

Can you explain how this will be paid for or how it even makes sense ?

If there's no mandate but there is preexisting condition coverage, what's to prevent me from waiting until I'm sick to get insurance ? In other words being covered by a subsidy from your insurance.

I don't think being able to buy insurance accross state lines is any great shakes. I'm sure that could somehow be done on top of ObamaCare as easily as it could as part of a redo.

This is a topsy turvy world when republicans are upset by a good, business friendly, conservative policy, just because it was championed by a democrat.

#politics

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95   CL   ignore (0)   2012 Jul 5, 3:37am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Reader says

You cannot be serious? Transparency tells me otherwise.

Transparency tells you what? That the GOP doesn't spend more than the Democrats?

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/03/obama-most-fiscally-conservative-president-in-modern-history/254658/

96   evilmonkeyboy   ignore (0)   2012 Jul 5, 4:24am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Bap33 says

Maybe all the talking snakes, or the people that spoke snake, were allowed to die off in the flood? Next.

By the way, I did not say one must believe the Bible to be a Holy book, or even to be true in any way, to see my point about Joe Smith's fairy tale. I said what I meant to say. Anyone with a clear head that read the Bible would see the the plagerism of Smith's tale.

LOL... you crack me up. For some reason in your head it is completely okay for a snake to talk to a person if it happened before the "flood". I can't wait to here why it's okay to believe that a donkey talked to Saul/Paul after the "flood" in the NT.
So my statement stands as well:
Anyone with a clear mind would not believe a book with talking animals to be true.
Thus, people with a clear mind don't waste their days reading the bible.

97   freak80   ignore (4)   2012 Jul 5, 4:30am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

My apologies, I thought you were serious.

I also thought you lived in a kid's closet in Quahog, RI. When did you move to San Jose?

98   evilmonkeyboy   ignore (0)   2012 Jul 5, 5:19am     ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

wthrfrk80 says

I also thought you lived in a kid's closet in Quahog, RI. When did you move to San Jose?

Yeah, there was just no money in that. Moved out to SJ about two years ago.

99   freak80   ignore (4)   2012 Jul 6, 9:56am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

JodyChunder says

this is becoming a very trendy way of saying 'a fucking shitload more.'

We'll see that term being used more in scientific journals:

"The Higgs-Boson particle is a fucking shitload larger than we anticipated..."

It might be like in the movie Idiocracy.

100   thomas.wong1986   ignore (3)   2012 Jul 6, 10:00am     ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

CL says

Reader says

You cannot be serious? Transparency tells me otherwise.

Transparency tells you what? That the GOP doesn't spend more than the Democrats?

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/03/obama-most-fiscally-conservative-president-in-modern-history/254658/

no, Obama isnt spending because of gridlock from GOP, which is a good thing!

101   CL   ignore (0)   2012 Jul 6, 10:31am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

thomas.wong1986 says

no, Obama isnt spending because of gridlock from GOP, which is a good thing!

Why didn't the GOP keep spending down when they ran all branches of Government, but had no fiscal crisis to thwart?

Their reputation as fiscal conservatives is imaginary, unless it benefits them politically.

102   Bap33   ignore (7)   2012 Jul 6, 10:34am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

agreed 100%. GOP does not equal conservative.

103   Bap33   ignore (7)   2012 Jul 6, 10:36am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

evilmonkeyboy says

a donkey talked to Saul/Paul after the "flood" in the NT.

never seen Shriek? lol

104   JodyChunder   ignore (3)   2012 Jul 6, 1:53pm     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

wthrfrk80 says

The Higgs-Boson particle is a fucking shitload larger than we anticipated..."

I see football field used as a metric in scientific periodicals and journals often enough (and yes, JC reads science ..the high desert ain't all fun n games all the time)

105   JodyChunder   ignore (3)   2012 Jul 6, 2:01pm     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Bap33 says

never seen Shriek? lol

That sentence doesn't make sense on any planet in our solar system, Sorry, but you live in America! Learn the language!!

106   someone else   ignore (0)   2012 Jul 7, 5:12am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Bap33 says

you dipshit

Comment deleted for directly insulting another user.

Repeated offenses will get your whole account deleted.

107   Bap33   ignore (7)   2012 Jul 7, 5:19am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

dang ... you know what, my mistake. I was lost in the moment. Wont happen again.

108   JodyChunder   ignore (3)   2012 Jul 7, 2:35pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Bap33 says

dang ...

I am working on my first million little man. What kinda big deals you got lined up?

109   Bap33   ignore (7)   2012 Jul 7, 4:24pm     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

just your sister

110   JodyChunder   ignore (3)   2012 Jul 7, 5:59pm     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Bap33 says

just your sister

My sister is a 200 pound diabetic whore. You can have her bub.

111   jjmcdonald   ignore (0)   2012 Jul 8, 1:10am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Hi Marcus,

I'm a lifelong Republican. You make a good point. It is not possible to just repeal the mandate and have a financially sound system. However, I don't think the system is financially sound as passed either.

Pre-existing condition coverage is fine for those with diseases that cannot be avoided. However, the overwhelming amount of cost for "pre-existing" condition coverage is going to go to those who are obese, abuse drugs or alcohol, or make risky life choices. Obamacare is ultimately a big tax on those that have discipline in their food and lifestyle choices. Thus I think it is unfair and taxing people even more who make good choices is not good for the economy.

Republicans rarely talk about the 2nd major problem with Obamacare and that is the new insurance company 15% limit on profit minus non-medical expenses. The net effect of this part of the law will cause insurance companies to merge, effectively eliminates any new competition in the medical insurance business, and then turns the remaining insurance companies into pseudo-government controlled entities. This is why the medical insurance company stocks have soared since the passage of Obamacare. The wealthy investors really like the idea of companies with guaranteed customers by the government, 15% profit limit, and no new future competition, and big mergers upcoming with very low cost debt to finance the mergers -- a much better deal than T-bills or muni bonds.

On the mandate - I suspect that Democrats will offer cash payments to folks so they opt in. If they don't the youth are going to find themselves that much further behind financially. It is quite ridiculous that the youth who already get screwed with the massive wealth transfer to the elderly and federal employees are going to get screwed again.

Cheers

112   CL   ignore (0)   2012 Jul 8, 1:17am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

"Obamacare is ultimately a big tax on those that have discipline in their food and lifestyle choices. Thus I think it is unfair and taxing people even more who make good choices is not good for the economy."

Who paid for those people BEFORE Obamacare? Who's paying for them today?

113   JMcDonald   ignore (0)   2012 Jul 8, 2:36am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Hi Marcus,

I'm a lifelong Republican. You make a good point. It is not possible to just repeal the mandate and have a financially sound system. However, I don't think the system is financially sound as passed either.

Pre-existing condition coverage is fine for those with diseases that cannot be avoided. However, the overwhelming amount of cost for "pre-existing" condition coverage is going to go to those who are obese, abuse drugs or alcohol, or make risky life choices. Obamacare is ultimately a big tax on those that have discipline in their food and lifestyle choices. Thus I think it is unfair and taxing people even more who make good choices is not good for the economy.

Republicans rarely talk about the 2nd major problem with Obamacare and that is the new insurance company 15% limit on profit minus non-medical expenses. The net effect of this part of the law will cause insurance companies to merge, effectively eliminates any new competition in the medical insurance business, and then turns the remaining insurance companies into pseudo-government controlled entities. This is why the medical insurance company stocks have soared since the passage of Obamacare. The wealthy investors really like the idea of companies with guaranteed customers by the government, 15% profit limit, and no new future competition, and big mergers upcoming with very low cost debt to finance the mergers -- a much better deal than T-bills or muni bonds.

On the mandate - I suspect that Democrats will offer cash payments to folks so they opt in. If they don't the youth are going to find themselves that much further behind financially. It is quite ridiculous that the youth who already get screwed with the massive wealth transfer to the elderly and federal employees are going to get screwed again.

Cheers

114   marcus   ignore (10)   2012 Jul 8, 5:01am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Thanks for the thoughtful reply Jim.

JMcDonald says

However, the overwhelming amount of cost for "pre-existing" condition coverage is going to go to those who are obese, abuse drugs or alcohol, or make risky life choices

I don't see this. First off I don't see this as the most expensive part of preexisting conditions coverage. If someone is obese or an addict without coverage now, they end up getting expensive care anyway, usually too late (maybe more expensive), often starting in the emergency room, and paid for by the rest of us anyway. It needs to be paid for in the same way all health care is paid for, which is more transparent and will lead to hospitals being more accountable for what they charge.

Meanwhile the diseases of children or adults that end up being covered because of pre-existing conditions coverage are hugely important, and I believe they should be covered as do a majority of people. The same is true for ending lifetime caps.

There isn't enough talk about the fact that without everyone insured, pre-existing condition coverage makes no sense. Otherwise everyone would wait to be sick to buy insurance. Romney understood this in Massachusetts. This is not even to mention paying for it, which the mandate helps with.

As for consolidation of ins companies, I don't know about that. I was for single payer and still am. Medicare for all with optional supplemental policies seems to me to be a no brainer. Medicare is already set up to pay for the most difficult and costly end of life care for everyone (with supplemental ins ).

It's an indictment of our political system and the degree to which it's owned by corporations that this solution couldn't even get serious consideration.

As for the youth question. It does seem a little unfair, that this generation of say 28 year olds are forced to buy something that previous generations did not. I don't like that but it's part of the problem's solution. This type of thing often happens when a new system starts.

115   Elwood P Dowd   ignore (0)   2012 Jul 8, 6:37am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

evilmonkeyboy says

Bap33 says

Maybe all the talking snakes, or the people that spoke snake, were allowed to die off in the flood? Next.

By the way, I did not say one must believe the Bible to be a Holy book, or even to be true in any way, to see my point about Joe Smith's fairy tale. I said what I meant to say. Anyone with a clear head that read the Bible would see the the plagerism of Smith's tale.

LOL... you crack me up. For some reason in your head it is completely okay for a snake to talk to a person if it happened before the "flood". I can't wait to here why it's okay to believe that a donkey talked to Saul/Paul after the "flood" in the NT.

Just out of curiosity, where does Paul's donkey talk to him?

There is a talking donkey in Numbers somewhere, some prophet off to curse Israel, donkey gifted w/speech by an angel equipped, IIRC, with a flaming sword. (Never understood that whole flaming sword business. I mean if you're an angel, shouldn't a plain old ordinary sword be enough for you to do what needs doing?) After the flood, but still in the OT, not NT.

116   Bap33   ignore (7)   2012 Jul 8, 7:22am     ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

marcus says

It needs to be paid for in the same way all health care is paid for, which is more transparent and will lead to hospitals being more accountable for what they charge.

not being a nitpick marcus, but this sentence really caught my eye. All health care is paid for by people that pay in more tax than they take out. About 5% of the tax base. I would rather see the medical complex have to charge prices that can be paid - a market price, for lack of better terms. It seems that most medical fees and wages are just made up from whatever number those who choose them feel they can get (a little bit like teacher wages .. normally 200% of the average wage in their area). There is no market at work, is there? Anyways, I am all for making the medical complex explain their fees if I have to pay for everyone's care.

117   freak80   ignore (4)   2012 Jul 8, 7:37am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Elwood P Dowd says

Just out of curiosity, where does Paul's donkey talk to him?

There is a talking donkey in Numbers somewhere, some prophet off to curse Israel, donkey gifted w/speech by an angel equipped, IIRC, with a flaming sword. (Never understood that whole flaming sword business. I mean if you're an angel, shouldn't a plain old ordinary sword be enough for you to do what needs doing?) After the flood, but still in the OT, not NT.

Yeah I was wondering about that too. I never remember anything about St. Paul talking to a donkey from my days in Sunday school.

But it seems we have two different conversations going on in this thread.

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