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Great man!

But what right does the TSA have to issue fines especially when the court ruled this free speech. Fining free speech is unconstitutional. Furthermore, it is transparently motivate by the TSA trying to avoid bad press, which makes it even more a free speech issue.

Finally, in a society where nudity is prohibited, the government should have no right to force someone to be nude whether for TSA rape scans or strip searches. The government is violating its own indecent exposure laws!

Also, the government should have absolutely no right to prevent anyone from flying commercial airlines if it restricts the creation and running of private aircraft, which it does.

If the government is given the power from the people to restrict the ability of individuals from creating and operating private aircraft in the name of public interest, then the government has the responsibility of ensuring that all citizens not currently serving sentences for crimes have the freedom and opportunity to fly without demanding the succession of any rights.

If the government finds this deal no longer acceptable, it should lose all power related to aviation.

Sooooooo

We bristle at the so called "rape scans" (a case of hyperbole if ever there was one). What are we to do? Maybe require everyone to carry heat on the plane, because apparently everyone also thinks that'll deter evil.

Hmmmm. Cede my constitutional rights to the poor guy making barely a working wage who apparently has been sitting there for 9 hours on his shift just waiting to see a pixelated blur of my johnson (and apparently is the only person who is unaware that every form of porn is free on the Internet, and in HD to boot)....

Or...I can sit in a pressurized thin tube made of fragile alloys with 123 armed idiots whose working understanding of aerodynamics comes from "Snakes on a Plane".

Choices, choices...

Randy H says

We bristle at the so called "rape scans" (a case of hyperbole if ever there was one). What are we to do? Maybe require everyone to carry heat on the plane, because apparently everyone also thinks that'll deter evil.

The rape scans wouldn't have stopped the 9/11 attacks. The plastic box cutters would go right through them. Locking the cockpit door and letting passengers know that they could fight back without spending 10 years behind bars is all that would have been needed to prevent 9/11.

Guns are already detected by metal detectors. There is no reason to sexually violate hundreds of millions of people including children.

Furthermore, if a terrorist wanted to blow up planes, he could damn easily do so simply by mailing an explosive wired to a cell phone with a GPS. Air mail is sent via commercial passenger planes. That's why it's so expensive to check items in, the airlines want to make more money per flight by using the passenger cargo space for air mail. So, when an air package containing a bomb and smart phone reaches a certain altitude, it can be made to explode. There's an app for that.

Also, security checkpoints are completely fucking worthless in preventing terrorist attacks. A suicide bomber can kill just as many people and shut down an airport simply by deteriorating his bomb in the security line. How do you prevent that? Have a security line before the security line?

Furthermore, Americans Are as Likely to Be Killed by Their Own Furniture as by Terrorism. If it's ok to infringe upon human rights by sexually violating men, women, and children in the name of safety, then surely it would ok to violate the purchasing rights of people by banning any television set over 10 lbs or 15 inches. Somehow, the government seems less concerned about those deaths. Perhaps because money is made by TSA and televisions.

It's all about proportion. While I agree with much of your logic, this issue is far out of scale with real problems we currently face. And the term "rape scan" is hyperbolic, by definition. It seriously cheapens the term "rape", which anyone who has had the misfortune of suffering through or having a loved one endure, understands viscerally. It's no better than slapping the term "Nazi" onto something political as a way to try to artificially amplify the position. It is a cheap and disgusting way to debate an argument that makes you no better than Faux News.

Randy H says

And the term "rape scan" is hyperbolic, by definition. It seriously cheapens the term "rape",

Some for of sexual violations are in fact rape because they feel like it. And this is a sexual violation. It would be like arguing that a woman can't rape another woman because she doesn't have a penis.

I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. Rape, like all evils, can be throttled, but that doesn't change the nature of the beast.

I think NAKED FLYING and "by the pound" ticket sales with no baggage is the way to go.

However, frankly I'd rather not see much of the flying public naked so I'd need blinders much of the time.

Vicente says

I think NAKED FLYING and "by the pound" ticket sales with no baggage is the way to go.

However, frankly I'd rather not see much of the flying public naked so I'd need blinders much of the time.

“Eagles are dandified vultures” - Teddy Roosevelt

I'm all for flying naked. I would even pay extra.

Seen this guy's pic? Looked damn unattractive to me. And he's a pretty average body type. If we were flying air France, then sure. But
Americans are just way too fat to be attractive naked.

Dan8267 says

Randy H says

And the term "rape scan" is hyperbolic, by definition. It seriously cheapens the term "rape",

Some for of sexual violations are in fact rape because they feel like it. And this is a sexual violation. It would be like arguing that a woman can't rape another woman because she doesn't have a penis.

I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. Rape, like all evils, can be throttled, but that doesn't change the nature of the beast.

Still not rape. Sorry. If you had a family member who had been truly raped, perhaps you'd pull in the ideology a bit and respect the crime for the horror it is.

Randy H says

Still not rape. Sorry. If you had a family member who had been truly raped, perhaps you'd pull in the ideology a bit and respect the crime for the horror it is.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=353_1202062436
[Even YouTube won't show the video on the above newslink without you logging in.]

http://www.youtube.com/embed/CgixrRZ-Avg

Yes, it's rape. Some of us don't have to personally experience something to have empathy. That's not ideology. It's empathy. Can you honestly watch those videos and say it's not rape because a penis didn't penetrate the vagina? For all practical purposes, it's rape. It doesn't matter if the attackers don't get off, it's what the victim goes through that counts.

I don't expect to convince you otherwise, but as far as I'm concern, what those cops did was rape, and if I were on the jury, I'd convict their asses.

And that has what to do with the TSA scanners, exactly? Fail. You're reversion to non sequitur arguments in a desperate attempt to prove your point welcomes you to my ignore list.

Randy H says

And that has what to do with the TSA scanners, exactly? Fail. You're reversion to non sequitur arguments in a desperate attempt to prove your point welcomes you to my ignore list.

The counter-argument you made was that strip searches cannot be rape. The police in the video above were performing a strip search, which evidently you do not wish to argue is not rape. Ergo, strip searches can be rape. TSA scanners are strip searches. The only difference between one and the other is degree.

As I stated above, rape like all evils can be throttled, but that does not change the nature of the beast. This is not a hard concept to follow. Do I need to go into more graphic detail? OK, let's do that.

If the criteria you propose for distinguishing rape from what the TSA does is the loud horrific screaming of the women in the above video, then consider this. A bunch of teenage boys drug a 15-year-old girl with roofies and proceed to have sex with her while she was unconscious. This actually happened.

Is it less of a rape because the girl was unconscious and not "suffering" during the sexual assault? What if the girl had no memory of the event? Would it still be rape then?

How much emotional suffering does on have to endure for you to admit that the TSA scanners and molestations have a similar emotional scarring effect as forced penetration? I'm not arguing nomenclature. I'm arguing effect.

And here's the effect. 'She molested me... somebody help me!': Woman passenger cries for help at airport security after 'invasive' search by female TSA agent.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/ZZdp13LFtOY

http://www.youtube.com/embed/QLf9hs9bfSA

http://www.youtube.com/embed/hA4o6AI_LA0
That won't fuck up the boy emotionally.
It was basically worse than going to the gynecologist.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/w5fPdozaI30
I have power! I have power!

Rape is forced and unwanted. It's about power, not sex. A rapist uses actual force or violence — or the threat of it — to take control over another human being.

- http://kidshealth.org/teen/safety/safebasics/rape_what_to_do.html

I had to completely take my pants off.

- Member of the Chicago's Children's Choir and cancer survivor who's leg was amputated because of the disease.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/eeFhehcUPBc

http://www.youtube.com/embed/uX8IgzKIVcs
Words from 3-year-old girl:

NO! NO! NO! STOP TOUCHING ME!

How much more traumatizing can a pedobear be? We put people in jail for life for doing this shit to 3-year-olds.

From a woman:

I feel more physically molested than if some random guy came up and molested me. It's more intrusive than even that.

And don't tell me that Susie Castillo didn't feel like she was being raped. Here's her story in her own words.
http://www.youtube.com/embed/14mKoAptaiw

http://www.youtube.com/embed/z_vtPH95dko

You can thank the underwear bomber for this one.

- exactly what a heartless rapist would say

And all this shit does not increase security one bit. No one, including you, have ever come up with a single way all the TSA molestation and rape scans would protect the public from ANY of the scenarios I described above. Not one single bit of security comes out of all these human rights violations.

It's not even a tradeoff between human rights and security. There is NO FUCKING SAFETY gain from these human rights violations.

But feel free to ignore me, but you won't be able to ignore the TSA when they rape your mother, wife, daughter, or son.