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New Court Filing Reveals How the 2004 Ohio Presidential Election Was Hacked

By marcus follow marcus   2012 Aug 28, 12:01am 34,036 views   128 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


http://truth-out.org/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=2319:new-court-filing-reveals-how-the-2004-ohio-presidential-election-was-hacked

If the shoe were on the other foot, I wonder whether Fox news would run with this story?

I had a was watching the election "market" IEM and in the afternoon (ca time) andKerry's chances of winning were over 90% based the money and based on Ohio exit polls. But then...

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89   xrpb11a   ignore (1)   2012 Aug 29, 8:33am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I didn't see the "misleading and inaccurate"" statements by both parties. If that's the case, then I need a new 'counterpoint'...

rooemoore says

xrpb11a says

The link below states otherwise...

rooemoore says

xrpb11a says

Counterpoint.

http://www.thecuttingedgenews.com/index.php?article=691

A Heritage Foundation sponsored study from 7 years ago that has been dismissed as misleading and inaccurate by both parties?

90   rooemoore   ignore (1)   2012 Aug 29, 8:41am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

xrpb11a says

I didn't see the "misleading and inaccurate"" statements by both parties. If that's the case, then I need a new 'counterpoint'.

http://www.truthaboutfraud.org/pdf/06-11-07%20Former%20Voting%20Section%20Staff%20Letter.pdf

dems and pubs signed this. enjoy reading it.

91   msilenus   ignore (0)   2012 Aug 29, 8:42am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

> It shouldn't be a partisan issue, it should be an opportunity to make sure everyone has free and fair access to ID.

Arguing that voter ID laws motivate better access to ID is completely shitbat backwards. Universal ID might motivate voter ID laws, by reducing the evil of voter ID laws. It doesn't run the other way. Once you get these voter ID laws, one party suddenly has an interest in certain kinds of ID being difficult to obtain. They'll argue that status quo is reasonable and doesn't need fixing. They'll opine that people too lazy to get ID --that they don't otherwise need for any purpose whatsoever-- shouldn't get to vote, secure in their knowledge that their own electorates have a smaller percentage of nondrivers than their opponents'. If you don't think these sorts of political perverse incentives are difficult to quash, consider how long we've been living with gerrymandering.

You're putting a cart before a horse, as the cliche goes. And it's one big motherfucking granddaddy of a horse!

One many of your fellow citizens would rather not have chewing up their lawn, by the way. Some of us like the idea that we ostensibly live in a society where we don't need to carry our papers to participate in civil life. Good civic hygeine, that.

But even that aside: what the hell do you say about the interim? The time between passage of these voter ID laws, and universal papers dissemination laws? You seem like you're on the up-and-up, but you've been taken in by people more cynical than you. "We'll accidentally steal just this one election, and that's it, baby. You can trust me. Just the tip, baby. Just the tip."

92   david1   ignore (1)   2012 Aug 29, 8:52am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

xrpb11a says

People with no income will not pay federal income tax, thus would not be eligible for voting for federal offices.

So stay at home mothers can't vote?

93   marcus   ignore (10)   2012 Aug 29, 9:15am     ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

It's stupid, but even more so if you wouldn't count payroll taxes (social security) and medicare taxes.

94   xrpb11a   ignore (1)   2012 Aug 29, 9:48am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Give em an exemption...

david1 says

xrpb11a says

People with no income will not pay federal income tax, thus would not be eligible for voting for federal offices.

So stay at home mothers can't vote?

95   xrpb11a   ignore (1)   2012 Aug 29, 9:52am     ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

The basic premise is that if you pay into the system, you earn the right to vote on how the system is run.

All the test situations offered up so far are just details that would be worked out.

It appears stupid to you because apparently you do not possess the capacity to work out the details.

marcus says

94   Wed, 29 Aug 2012 at 4:15 pm   SHARE   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Delete  
It's stupid, but even more so if you wouldn't count payroll taxes (social security) and medicare taxes.

96   marcus   ignore (10)   2012 Aug 29, 11:27am     ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

xrpb11a says

It appears stupid to you because apparently you do not possess the capacity to work out the details.

No it's stupid because it's not what democracy is about.

How do you propose to explain how fair it is for the guy with no job but inherited and invested wealth to vote, but not the long term unemployed person ?

This is nearly the opposite of what our founding fathers had in mind.

97   futuresmc   ignore (1)   2012 Aug 29, 11:36am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

xrpb11a says

The basic premise is that if you pay into the system, you earn the right to vote on how the system is run.

But if you don't pay into the system, you're still subject to the system's laws. You still get effected by the decision sof those in the system. No, everyone who meets the citizenship, residency, and age requirements should be able to vote. Stop trying to disenfranchise your fellow Americans because you don't agree with their lives and choices. We're a country, not a high school party. The cool kids and the nerds all have equal rights.

98   xrpb11a   ignore (1)   2012 Aug 29, 1:47pm     ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

If he invested his wealth, and it is producing capital gains that are taxed, then he can vote.
If his investments produce no taxable income, he forfeits the right. Too bad.

Regarding the founding fathers, times change. people change. rules change.
moot point.

marcus says

How do you propose to explain how fair it is for the guy with no job but inherited and invested wealth to vote, but not the long term unemployed person ?

99   xrpb11a   ignore (1)   2012 Aug 29, 1:48pm     ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

By your own choice. You can always move to canada.

futuresmc says

xrpb11a says

The basic premise is that if you pay into the system, you earn the right to vote on how the system is run.

But if you don't pay into the system, you're still subject to the system's laws.

100   xrpb11a   ignore (1)   2012 Aug 29, 1:53pm     ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

Fine.
Stop trying to disembowel the american worker with excessive taxation designed to redistribute one's hard earned income to lazy good for nothing sons of bitches who don't give a shit about society and only exist to drain the government of resources.

futuresmc says

Stop trying to disenfranchise your fellow Americans because you don't agree with their lives and choices.

101   freak80   ignore (4)   2012 Aug 29, 11:12pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says

This is nearly the opposite of what our founding fathers had in mind.

Really? Our "founding fathers" were mostly slave-owning scumbags.

102   Tenpoundbass   ignore (15)   2012 Aug 30, 4:05am     ↓ dislike (3)   quote   flag        

The Petrified forest is not a nature preserve.

103   freak80   ignore (4)   2012 Aug 30, 4:12am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

What has Obama done to fix any of this? Nothing.

The Democrats talk a good game about fixing the abuses of Big Business, but instead they just do the bidding of far-left fringe groups. That further alienates folks who are more conservative on social issues, who then vote Republican in reaction. The Republicans talk a good game about stopping the far-left fringe groups, but then they just further cement the power of the aristocracy and Big Business.

That's pretty much a summar of how American politics works every election cycle.

Both parties have their "useful idiots" that actually believe the promises. Personally, I refuse to be a useful idiot any longer. I'm through playing their game.

104   Bellingham Bill   ignore (5)   2012 Aug 30, 7:08am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

freak80 says

The Democrats talk a good game about fixing the abuses of Big Business, but instead they just do the bidding of far-left fringe groups.

wat

105   Bellingham Bill   ignore (5)   2012 Aug 30, 7:09am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

freak80 says

I'm through playing their game.

Enjoy the Romney/Ryan administration then. I know I will, from 7 time zones away.

106   freak80   ignore (4)   2012 Aug 30, 7:10am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Bellingham is only 3 time zones away from Corning, right? ;-)

107   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (43)   2012 Aug 30, 7:43am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

CaptainShuddup says

We need national election holidays, if not a week of voting festivities.

I love it!

ELECTION ORGY WEEK!

The whole week off - everyone gets shitfaced and fucks in the streets and goes to the 24 hour polling stations and gets a beer when they leave.

Pat, can we get a PatNet endorsement for this idea?

108   Tenpoundbass   ignore (15)   2012 Aug 30, 7:52am     ↓ dislike (4)   quote   flag        

How about political caroling.

freak80 says

Because Fox News and AM Radio told him to, that's why.

NPR buddy, I get my horses shit straight from the Jack Ass.

109   thomaswong.1986   ignore (5)   2012 Aug 30, 11:29am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Call it Crazy says

Looks like you won't have to show your card in Texas this year...

Federal court rejects new Texas voter photo ID law
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hzfjUGyXNWMFPtOXJx1U86P7R_Dg?docId=9df1409a2b2740bd91f62251a590eac2

From the article.. seems that the ID law is indeed lawful, a uniform standard is certainly viable, legal and enforceable.

Tatel called the Texas law "the most stringent in the nation." He said it would impose a heavier burden on voters than a similar law in Indiana, previously upheld by the Supreme Court, and one in Georgia, which the Justice Department allowed to take effect without objection.

110   kentm   ignore (0)   2012 Aug 30, 11:32am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CaptainShuddup says

Can we please, pretty phucking please with a mango on top, stop worrying about hacked elections, and all of the other non sense.

we sure as phuck can not.

why are you so comfortable with the idea that criminal behavior and lies seem to be the only way the republican party maintains any viability? You go on and on about morality but when it comes down to it all you want is for your "team" to win, any way any how. So much for the great "American Way" of honesty and morality and decency you go blather on about.

phucking pathetic.

111   kentm   ignore (0)   2012 Aug 30, 11:34am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Call it Crazy says

Want to vote in a presidential election? Go look at your IRS 1040.... if you paid federal income taxes, you get to vote, if that line has a zero on it, so sorry, better luck next election cycle!!!

so that means Mitt Romney doesn't get to vote?

112   thomaswong.1986   ignore (5)   2012 Aug 30, 11:39am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

CaptainShuddup says

We need national election holidays, if not a week of voting festivities.

I would make it start at Thursday nite say 5pm after work hours into all day and night Friday (Holiday) and end by Saturday midnight making it 50+ hour window.

113   thomaswong.1986   ignore (5)   2012 Aug 30, 11:42am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

kentm says

so that means Mitt Romney doesn't get to vote?

http://www.taxhistory.org/www/website.nsf/Web/PresidentialTaxReturns

what do you think ?

tax bill 2010 $3M
est payments made $4.6M YES PAID EVERY QUARTER
Refund... $1.6M

114   kentm   ignore (0)   2012 Aug 30, 11:47am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I don't believe in them. I'm a "Returner".

115   thomaswong.1986   ignore (5)   2012 Aug 30, 11:50am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

kentm says

I don't believe in them. I'm a Returner.

do you believe in Obama's tax return preparer.. Micheal Solheim, CPA per Obama's tax return?

do you believe in PriceWaterHouse, CPAs who prepared Romneys return ?

116   mdovell   ignore (2)   2012 Aug 31, 1:23am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CaptainShuddup says

If you think about it, most people with a job can't vote.

Absentee ballot is legal in all states

You can register to vote in about five minutes at any DMV in the country

Some states allow for time off to vote. Employers cannot prevent you from doing so.

We also usually have ballots in other countries and it is not mandatory. Frankly it is easy to vote. It is harder to get free samples of tide in the mail.

117   rooemoore   ignore (1)   2012 Aug 31, 1:47am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Call it Crazy says

kentm says

so that means Mitt Romney doesn't get to vote?

You really are clueless!!!

And you are gullible. It was a joke.

118   xrpb11a   ignore (1)   2012 Sep 1, 6:02am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

No.
It means he gets 1000 votes to your 1.

2010 Tax Return for Romneys

Here are details of the 2010 tax return filed by the Romneys:

Income: $21,661,344
Capital Gains Income: $12,573,249
Dividend Income: $3,327,678
Adjusted Gross Income: $21,646,507
Itemized Deductions: $4,519,140
Charitable Donations: $2,983,974
Taxes Paid: $3,009,766
Effective Tax Rate: 13.9%
Estimated 2011 Tax Return for Romneys

Here are details of the estimated 2011 tax return for the Romneys:

Income: $20,908,880
Capital Gains Income: $10,700,179
Dividend Income: $1,905,753
Adjusted Gross Income: $20,901,075
Itemized Deductions: $5,688,179
Charitable Donations: $4,020,572
Taxes Paid: $3,226,623
Effective Tax Rate: 15.4%

kentm says

Call it Crazy says

Want to vote in a presidential election? Go look at your IRS 1040.... if you paid federal income taxes, you get to vote, if that line has a zero on it, so sorry, better luck next election cycle!!!

so that means Mitt Romney doesn't get to vote?

119   curious2   ignore (0)   2012 Sep 1, 6:32am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

APOCALYPSEFUCK is Shostakovich says

I love it!

ELECTION ORGY WEEK!

The whole week off - everyone gets shitfaced and fucks in the streets and goes to the 24 hour polling stations and gets a beer when they leave.

Wait, what's this about AF making love and not war?!?

How about this: we do the weeklong festival, but at the start the Budweiser people hand out free samples of beer, and the NRA people hand out free samples of assault weapons and ammunition. Initially, the NRA members will slaughter their unarmed political opponents. Then, over a disagreement about whether Mitt Romney or Newt Gingrich is the One True Prophet (tm), the remaining prospective voters slaughter each other. At the end, the sole surviving voter is a little old lady in Dubuque who is hard of hearing and thus never learned of the festival. She casts her lone vote, writing in FDR as she has for the last 70 years, and thus Mr. Roosevelt is elected unanimously to a fifth term as President of the United States.

And that's the way it was.

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