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Mass shooting thwarted in San Antonio with virtually no coverage


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2013 Jan 8, 12:46pm   7,629 views  27 comments

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The perp was shot by an off duty cop carrying a concealed weapon in a movie theater. One can only speculate as to why this didn't make more waves in the news.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Two-wounded-in-theater-shooting-4122668.php#photo-3904002

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1   nope   2013 Jan 8, 1:07pm  

I'm going to guess that its because no innocent people were murdered. A cop shooting a bad guy isn't news, its how things are supposed to work.

2   pdh   2013 Jan 8, 1:36pm  

Not sure how people having easy access to guns made this situation better.

3   Vicente   2013 Jan 8, 3:24pm  

On the other hand, a notorious firearms buff apparently wasn't quick enough on the draw in another case.....

http://gawker.com/5974187/well+known-youtube-weapons-expert-found-dead-police-suspect-homicide?ha=ha

Most people have never really considered the Teuller Drill. I had a CCW permit in Georgia for over 20 years, and did carry it. But unlike most people I had no illusions. I was perfectly aware there were a variety of scenarios in which I might not have time enough to understand what was going on and react, and would end up dead anyway.

4   MMR   2013 Jan 9, 4:26am  

Kevin says

I'm going to guess that its because no innocent people were murdered. A cop shooting a bad guy isn't news, its how things are supposed to work.

It's a "bad guy" in a theater opening fire who wouldn't have been stopped in a no-gun zone. Obviously worked wonders in Aurora CO.

5   leo707   2013 Jan 9, 4:39am  

Vicente says

Most people have never really considered the Teuller Drill.

Yep, and that is why is is legal to shoot someone who is within 21 feet of you and menacing you with a knife.

Vicente says

I was perfectly aware there were a variety of scenarios in which I might not have time enough to understand what was going on and react, and would end up dead anyway.

A coworker just had a friend mugged by someone who walked up and first thing out of the blue tased her in the face. Fortunately that was the extent of the assault, but she lost her bag and no gun would have prevented that. A few years ago I saw a similar thing happen, but it was a guy punching a woman on the side of the head from behind--she went down like a sack of potatoes, and was still punch-drunk when the guy was long gone.

6   Vicente   2013 Jan 9, 3:34pm  

leo707 says

A coworker just had a friend mugged by someone who walked up and first thing out of the blue tased her in the face.

Exactly.

Many people who have a pistol, have a fantasy that it will be like High Noon. Both parties will square up and DRAW! The party with the fastest draw and deadest aim wins.

I participated in IPSC competitions, which are setup as pistol combat courses. However unlike a great many of my fellow competitors I didn't delude myself I'd be a John Woo hero in a real gunfight. It's startlingly common among people with carry permits. Perhaps because a great many of them have not studied any other martial arts.

The reality is more like Columbine. Multiple officers on scene in minutes, however they are dealing with hundreds of screaming people exitting, which one of THEM might be the shooter? Confusion and paralysis and disbelief are more common reactions in these sorts of massacres.

7   Peter P   2013 Jan 9, 4:38pm  

One must exercise vigilance all the time. When I am walking around, I constantly evaluate the threats surrounding me. I also use fashion profiling.

People-reading may be important too.

But then I find many people suspicious, especially if they are dressed in anything less than business casual.

8   Peter P   2013 Jan 9, 4:39pm  

Vicente says

Confusion and paralysis and disbelief are more common reactions in these sorts of massacres.

This is true. It is difficult to judge chaos sitting on an armchair.

9   Shaman   2013 Jan 10, 1:11am  

I think the more cogent argument reinforced by the situation in the link is that bad guys with guns require good guys with guns to stop them. In this case the good guy wasn't even a guy, but a police woman off duty but still carrying. If she hadnt been there, it sure looks like there would have been a repeat of Aurora.
The only way to refute this argument is with wishy washy dreaming about a society without guns or violence where crime never happens and everyone solves their differences by throwing unicorn shit.

10   FortWayne   2013 Jan 10, 1:19am  

Because that doesn't fit their agenda. Try to call NPR during their debates, they won't put you on if your point is too smart and goes against their sales pitch.

11   Moderate Infidel   2013 Jan 10, 2:18am  

Ironically, the Theater was on Southwest Military Drive.
Also there is no indication in the article that there was a potential for "mass shooting". It indicated the shooter had one person in mind as a target, his co-worker.

12   Homeboy   2013 Jan 10, 3:57am  

You beat me to it, but just for emphasis, where in that article does it say it was a "mass shooting"? The title of this thread should be changed. Actually, come to think of it, there's really no point in this thread even existing.

13   zzyzzx   2013 Jan 10, 4:06am  

APOCALYPSEFUCK is Shostakovich says

You need to have a big fucking gun, already drawn and ready, safety off, at eye level, elbows locked and ready to rock and roll for it to really be a deterrent.

That's why I prefer to carry one of these everywhere I go:

14   zzyzzx   2013 Jan 10, 4:08am  

Moderate Infidel says

It indicated the shooter had one person in mind as a target, his co-worker.

Article fails to mention if the shooter worked at the post office.

15   TechGromit   2013 Jan 10, 5:31am  

APOCALYPSEFUCK is Shostakovich says

Exactly when concealed carry doesn't work.

When you don't know who your shooting at. Lets look at it this way. A criminal is firing a gun at police, two people carrying concealed weapons pull there weapons and fire on the criminal. Three other people father away, just see someone shooting at something else, with no idea whats going and pull there weapons and fire on the first two shooters. Some miss hitting bystanders, six people see three people shooting at two, hitting bystanders, They draw and fire, if the first two are still alive, they return fire at the other three and so on, until it's the OK corral. People firing on other people convinced they are protecting themselves and the public.

This is why people carrying concealed weapons can be bad.

16   Vicente   2013 Jan 10, 2:02pm  

Quigley says

If she hadnt been there, it sure looks like there would have been a repeat of Aurora.

Why do you assume that? Something erupted NEXT DOOR at some place called China Garden, and the theater was just along perp's escape path. Nothing in the story indicates a desire to massacre dozens of random strangers. Could as easily have ended with "shot to death in parking deck" or "apprehended hiding out in Mom's crawlspace" or something. At this point the might-haves are invention and fantasy.

17   thomaswong.1986   2013 Jan 10, 2:14pm  

Kevin says

I'm going to guess that its because no innocent people were murdered. A cop shooting a bad guy isn't news, its how things are supposed to work.

innocent people get shot by gangbangers, thieves and other criminals every day.

yet you dont hear much about that either ...

Boston, NYC, Chicago, SF/Oak.. all the other lefty dominated cities as well.

18   nope   2013 Jan 10, 2:38pm  

You don't hear about things that happen every day because they aren't news! Do you know what news is?

The day when a mass murder isn't news is the day we are all doomed.

20   Dan8267   2013 Jan 11, 2:49am  

MMR says

The perp was shot by an off duty cop carrying a concealed weapon in a movie theater. One can only speculate as to why this didn't make more waves in the news.

American news is just about sensationalism. Unless there's blood or sex, dumb Americans don't watch. Now if the cop had been naked while shooting the other guy, it would be all over the news.

Stupid Americans means stupid news. Now if Americans actually watched news to become informed and educated instead of entertained, then we'd get better news, but this is the country where The Learning Channel was replaced by TLC and Honey Boo Boo.

21   Dan8267   2013 Jan 11, 2:53am  

zzyzzx says

Not nearly as useful during a zombie apocalypse as Hollywood would have you believe. Head shots are difficult to make. Ammunition runs out quickly. And the noise will attract more zombies than the gun kills. You're better off unarmed.

I'll take a lightsaber, a plasma rifle, a laser pistol, or an STG Scorpion any day over that.

22   Moderate Infidel   2013 Jan 11, 2:54am  

thomaswong.1986 says

Kevin says

I'm going to guess that its because no innocent people were murdered. A cop shooting a bad guy isn't news, its how things are supposed to work.

innocent people get shot by gangbangers, thieves and other criminals every day.

yet you dont hear much about that either ...

Boston, NYC, Chicago, SF/Oak.. all the other lefty dominated cities as well.

You probably don't hear about it because you don't live in a community where that happens. If you lived in Detroit, Philly, LA etc. I'm sure you would be well aware of it.

23   Shaman   2013 Jan 11, 3:01am  

From Snopes:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/sanantonio.asp

Looks like she definitely stopped him. He did enter the theater and shot someone there, and was pursuing other people to shoot at the time he was shot. Seems like this officer Lisa prevented additional shootings. Which is all I need to prove my point: good guy with gun stops bad guy with gun.

24   Shaman   2013 Jan 11, 3:03am  

Dan8267 says

zzyzzx says

Not nearly as useful during a zombie apocalypse as Hollywood would have you believe. Head shots are difficult to make. Ammunition runs out quickly. And the noise will attract more zombies than the gun kills. You're better off unarmed.

I'll take a lightsaber, a plasma rifle, a laser pistol, or an STG Scorpion any day over that.

Am I the only one who has noticed that most to all of Dan's solutions to difficult problems involve technology that doesn't currently exist?

25   EBGuy   2013 Jan 11, 4:19am  

I think we're missing the obvious 'solution' suggested by this article. We need to underpay our public safety officers so they are forced to take a second job at movie theaters: an off duty Bexar County Sheriff officer who was working at the theater shot at him. Then again, maybe not such a hot idea as they may just take a 'second job' with the local drug cartel.

A finer point to be made is that a trained law enforcement officer is likely to react differently than a (relatively) untrained security guard or ordinary citizen.

27   nope   2013 Jan 11, 11:29am  

Those guys are pussies. They should be arming the children!

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