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I've always been impressed & oh so skeered with pictures of bad asses.
Wonder if they will be impressed with drones when they try to take on my U.S.A.

They're called the minute men because of the minute size of their genitalia.

Call it Crazy says

OK, then you go tell these guys that.... I'll wait in the car!!

That is exactly the point of the article.

Call it Crazy says

tovarichpeter says

The citizen militia theory is nonsense

OK, then you go tell these guys that.... I'll wait in the car!!

We don't have to tell those guys. The FBI spy in their mist can tell them just before the swat team takes them out. Is there any militia group that doesn't have an undercover FBI agent in it?

It was less nonsensical a decade or two ago.

It is more so now. Modern Americans take it for GRANTED now that Reapers and Predators can take out insurgents. I expect if you had a real problem with domestic terrorists, it wouldn't be like Waco at all. They'd flatten the place at the start, without having to send in agents or have an extended standoff.

There's always a chance. It really just depends on how smart the rebels are, and how determined. Just sitting here thinking about it for five minutes I came up with a nearly fool proof plan to eliminate the helicopter problem that two guys could accomplish. I'm not going to share, for obvious reasons. What I'm saying is: never think they can't be defeated simply because they have better guns. The human mind far more powerful. Look at what that mad f--k Osama accomplished with nothing more than some desert yahoos and money for airfare.

Call it Crazy says

Get out of your Fantasy land with your Apache and Drone attacks... the FIRST time a group of people in the US gets targeted or blown up by an Apache or Drone, the population will rise up big time and be really pissed.....

A decade ago I'd have agreed with you.

Now I'm not so sure.

Where's the huge uprising in the 4 countries we have active drone operations in?

Call it Crazy says

OK, then you go tell these guys that.... I'll wait in the car!!

Scoot over....i'll wait with you.

Call it Crazy says

Get out of your Fantasy land with your Apache and Drone attacks... the FIRST time a group of people in the US gets targeted or blown up by an Apache or Drone, the population will rise up big time and be really pissed.....

Just like the first time the FBI burned alive US citizens during the Waco Massacre, the population rose up in defiance. Oh wait, that didn't happen. And there were 17 children who died horribly in that fire.

Or how about the time when Mayer Wilson Goode of Philadelphia dropped a C4 bomb on innocent civilians killing men, women, and children. The Move Bombing Massacre never resulted in a militia uprising either.

Hell, the failure of militias goes back to at least the Ludlow Massacre of 1914 in Colorado when the a militia ran by the mining corporation slaughter an entire town of men, women, and children gunning them down and burning them alive. That militia, though, was supported by the local government and was fighting civilians, not government.

Yet, in none of these incidents, all of which involved setting children afire and burning them to death, resulted in no uprising by the population. If horrifically murdering children isn't enough to rouse a popular rebellion, wtf is?

It still pisses me off today, that none of the above massacres ever resulted in a single criminal conviction. Even the court systems don't have the balls to keep government in line.

Oh, and get use to the idea of drone strikes against Americans within the continental U.S. They are coming.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/story/2012-06-19/drone-backlash/55682654/1

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/08/02/court-upholds-domestic-drone-use-in-arrest-of-american-citizen

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/19/drones-in-the-us-surveillance_n_1988540.html

Call it Crazy says

The US population doesn't give a shit about what's going on across the ocean in the desert... the MSM says we are hunting terrorists over there (even though we kill hundreds of women and children too), so the "sheep" here are happy the terrorists are dead!!

Let it happen on our own soil here and I think you'll get a different response.

Vincent was talking about the lack of uprising by the populations suffering drone attacks. The idea being that Americans would be just as powerless to stop such attacks. And that is true. The legal guns in our country are just as widely available in those four countries.

Call it Crazy says

If there was a drone attack on a militia group in Arizona, it would be all over the social media sites in minutes. That would attract a lot of "interest"..... not all of it would be positive!!

Sure there would be interest, and some would not be "positive", but for the most part everyone would falling over themselves thanking the government for taking out another dangerous David Koresh or potential Timothy McVeigh.

Do you think even FOX "news" would paint the guys as heros that need avenging?

Dan8267 says

Call it Crazy says

The US population doesn't give a shit about what's going on across the ocean in the desert... the MSM says we are hunting terrorists over there (even though we kill hundreds of women and children too), so the "sheep" here are happy the terrorists are dead!!

Let it happen on our own soil here and I think you'll get a different response.

Vincent was talking about the lack of uprising by the populations suffering drone attacks. The idea being that Americans would be just as powerless to stop such attacks. And that is true. The legal guns in our country are just as widely available in those four countries.

Yep, they also have access to smart phones, iPads, Internet, Twitter, Facebook, email, etc. so they can spread their hate of America faster. They also have access to real assault rifles, not the pansy semi-automatic US civilian versions, RPG, explosives, etc.

They are still pretty ineffectual against drones, etc.

Quigley says

Just sitting here thinking about it for five minutes I came up with a nearly fool proof plan to eliminate the helicopter problem that two guys could accomplish. I'm not going to share, for obvious reasons.

Good thing you are keeping it quite. If any foreign insurgents were reading Pnet your idea would cause US helicopters to start dropping out of the air in Afghanistan (and elsewhere) like flies.

There is one catch to your plan though. You get no practice and if it does not work for any reason you are dead.

Quigley says

What I'm saying is: never think they can't be defeated simply because they have better guns.

Yeah, our battle cry could be, "Second moon of ENDOOORRRRR!"
Quigley says

The human mind far more powerful.

Yeah, and assuming that you pull off your trick once, that is probably the only chance you get. Next time you try it you will be killed.

Quigley says

Look at what that mad f--k Osama accomplished with nothing more than some desert yahoos and money for airfare.

Like I said he was able to do that once, and look at where he is at now.

*High-five to Obama*

I am not saying that a helicopter can not be shot down, sure they can. Look at Black Hawk Down. They shot down a couple of helicopters with assault rifles and RPGs. Remind me again how many Somalis lives were required to shoot down two Black Hawks that were close to the ground, picking up/dropping off people?

Call it Crazy says

The difference now is we have smart phones, iPads, Internet, Twitter, Facebook, email, etc., so the information and details flows a lot QUICKER....

There was a time when I believed that the Internet would force governments to behave better, but it has yet to do so. The closest it has come to fulfilling that promise is Wikileaks.

Even in the age of instant communication, an uprising in America is no more likely. People watched the Wacho and Move Massacres on live television and did nothing afterwards. Lack of communication speed was not the problem.

They(government) better do something now(out law all guns), because they don't look like the type you would want to strong arm 20,000 dollars from every year.

Call it Crazy says

The US population doesn't give a shit about what's going on across the ocean in the desert... the MSM says we are hunting terrorists over there (even though we kill hundreds of women and children too), so the "sheep" here are happy the terrorists are dead!!

Let it happen on our own soil here and I think you'll get a different response.

I think you missed my point. Over in those 4 countries, there's a foreign invader killing your people at will, and so far in the last decade they've managed to amount to what? Suicide bombers are terrible and a threat, but that is not open revolt.

Let's look at Syria. How long do you think the "citizen uprising" there would last without tons of external support? You think they are fighting that with all-domestic sidearms and ammo?

I rather expect you have an easier time of it shopping for cannon fodder, where life is already cheap. Shopping for militia willing to engage in long-term urban guerilla action here? Puh-leeeeeze! Too many of them have Facebook pages and plenty of e-intel on their loudmouthed activities already. They'd run out of Montana militia in the first week, and then what? Back to DwtS Uh-merica!.

Dan8267 says

Just like the first time the FBI burned alive US citizens during the Waco
Massacre, the population rose up in defiance. Oh wait, that didn't happen. And
there were 17 children who died horribly in that fire.

If that was the way it happened, then the population probably would have risen up in defiance.

Here's what Frontline concluded:

Who started the fire that erupted a little more than six hours after the FBI began inserting the tear gas on April 19?

Although several of the surviving Branch Davidians insist that they did not start the fire, a panel of arson investigators concluded that the Davidians were responsible for igniting it, simultaneously, in at least three different areas of the compound. Unless they were deliberatley set, the probability of the three fires starting almost simultaneously was highly unlikely, according to fire experts. Furthermore, the videotapes show the use of accelerants that strongly increased the spread of the fire. Although one Branch Davidian stated that a FBI tank had tipped over a lantern, videotapes show that the tank had struck the building a minute and a half before the fire began. Also some of the surviving Davidians' clothing showed evidence of lighter fluid and other accelerants. In addition, FBI listening devices seemed to establish that the Davidians were overheard making statements such as, "Spread the fuel," some six hours before the fires began. (Joint Hearing of the Crime Subcommittee July 1995.)

tatupu70 says

If that was the way it happened, then the population probably would have risen up in defiance.

The FBI used flammable tear gas, which was the fuel for the fire. They killed the people inside whether or not that was the intention. And maybe that wouldn't be so bad if there weren't innocent children in there.

As for the Move Massacre, which was even worse, the government deliberately kill the innocent men, women, and children with a C4 bomb. There was nothing accidental about the detonation of that bomb.

Call it Crazy says

Hell, after the last month and a half of weapons and ammo purchases, there are enough weapons in the general population to put a gun in the hands of all the 330 Million people here.

So Syria's problems will be solved if Americans shipped them over some rifles and pistols? OK. Then do that. Seems like the Middle East is already awash in reliable Kalashnikov products, but perhaps they can use our finicky Western weapons too.

Call it Crazy says

Now, how many of those active military and LEO's would actually fight AGAINST other Americans? We have already seen a bunch of Sherriffs say they won't uphold any new anti 2A laws...

And those Sherriffs sure as hell would fight against other Americans if they were trying to throw Bush out of office.

Call it Crazy says

Let's say only 5% get pissed off enough and the other 95% sit on their asses and watch TV....

The problem with only getting 5% is that they are going to be the most extreme.

If 5 million armed leftist militants were riled up enough to start killing all the republicans and setting up a leftist state do you think the 5 million armed militants on the other extreme are going to be content sitting at home munching on pork rinds?

Call it Crazy says

Ah, but can the Syrians just whip out their Visa card at the gun store and buy some more when ever they like?

Syrian market is reportedly saturated at this point. RPG-7 rocket is about $300, got those at your gun store?

Homeboy says

They're called the minute men because of the minute size of their genitalia.

the beautiful thing about your statement is ...
WE ALL KNOW you dont even have the guts
to stand and say that to their faces..

Vicente says

Syrian market is reportedly saturated at this point. RPG-7 rocket is about $300, got those at your gun store?

middle east has always been saturated with Russian made mil equipment..

Vicente says

So Syria's problems will be solved if Americans shipped them over some rifles and pistols? OK. Then do that. Seems like the Middle East is already awash in reliable Kalashnikov products, but perhaps they can use our finicky Western weapons too.

All Middle East countries, with the exception of Israel, ban private individuals from owning guns. The AK-47 toting thugs that you see on TV are usually agents of government or organizations that are quasi- or aspire to become government.

If you really want to cite the case of Middle East, perhaps the lesson should be disarming the government or any organization that is built with the intention to initiate of violence (e.g. collecting taxes) . . . while giving individual non-organized citizens the freedom to own guns for personal self defense.

Vicente says

Call it Crazy says

Ah, but can the Syrians just whip out their Visa card at the gun store and buy some more when ever they like?

Syrian market is reportedly saturated at this point. RPG-7 rocket is about $300, got those at your gun store?

$300 is a lot of money there for an average individual right now. The locals are getting by with less than $10 a day.

The actual manufacturing cost of an RPG-7 is less than $100. The Syrian street price that you quote is actually very high (for a place where government fire arm ban is non-operative), indicating shortage. The high price is what's making arms dealers ship the weapons there. For $300, in a non-conflict zone (and arms dealing is legal) "you" should be getting RPG-29, which makes RPG-7 looks like a pee shooter.

Reality says

$300 is a lot of money there for an average individual right now.

Heroine and or Hash traders.

thomaswong.1986 says

Heroine and or Hash traders.

I'd think both commodities are cheap there now, due to collapse of local currency. If I have to venture a guess, hash is probably always cheap there because it's legal like sugar candy here and not sin-taxed like alcohol and tobacco here.

Call it Crazy@# 39'

I just love to hear the cowards run their mouths when they gave up their rights to carry firearms into this public tax built structure. Yes Sir! Yes Sir! I'll do as I'm told. Let these cowards draw a weapon on enforcement officers of this country & their families will be attending funerals.