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Warren Drops Bombshell In Senate Hearing: Bill To Restore Glass-Steagall
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2013 Jul 14, 4:50am 7,444 views 48 comments
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Dan8267
2013 Jul 14, 5:01am
The fact that Glass-Steagall wasn't restored back in 2007 when it was obvious how huge of a fuck-up repealing it was, is proof that Congress is utterly incompetent and will not restore the bill now.
But kudos to Warren for at least trying to do what is right. You'll be able to clearly tell which senators work for the American public and which work against the public for bankers by seeing who supports the bill and who doesn't. My prediction: a handful of Democrats and very few Republicans.
She seems to have something seen very rarely in politicians these days, COURAGE!
Dan8267
2013 Jul 14, 5:14am
She seems to have something seen very rarely in politicians these days, COURAGE!
Not to mention
- intelligence
- knowledge
- integrity
- honesty
- good motives
For the past five years or so, I've been saying "Elizabeth Warren / William Black" for president / vice-president. But I doubt that will happen in 2016 because it's Hilary's turn and god forbid we actually nominate people based on the public's interests rather than nepotism and cronyism.
Shaman
2013 Jul 14, 5:36am
Exactly which president in the last four decades served the public interest rather than the interests of the wealthy elite?
Not to mention
- intelligence
- knowledge
- integrity
- honesty
- good motives
It still takes courage for her to express all of these traits.
I see this from barely a handful of politicians today.
HydroCabron
2013 Jul 14, 6:17am
Godless pinko termagant!
This Nation shall never return to the Stalinist ways of 1933-1999. All Presidents and Congressmen then, and all "Americans" alive then, were traitors. Any left alive should be subject to show trials and execution.
Stalinist Marxist Alinskyite False Flag Lincoln Bedroom Fifth Column Vince-Foster-Killing Kenyan Anti-Colonialist Ponzi UN Immigrant Communist Abortion-Loving Benghazi Travel Office Fascists!
Dan8267
2013 Jul 14, 6:43am
Exactly which president in the last four decades served the public interest rather than the interests of the wealthy elite?
Out of all the presidents since Reagan, only Clinton served the public interests reasonably well. And although Clinton's administration was mediocre, it was order of magnitudes better than any other president since 1980.
Jimmy Carter tried, but failed due to Republicans in Congress.
Other than that, I'd have to go back to JFK and Ike before him.
Out of all the presidents since Reagan, only Clinton served the public interests reasonably well
It was Clinton's administration that put the final nail in the coffin in "Glass-Steagall"
Ironically you claim that Clinton served the public interest on a thread about "Glass-Steagall"
How did it serve the publics interest when Clinton being investigated for lying about a sexual misconduct would regularly fire off missiles at foreign countries to distract the media and publics attention from his lies?
Dan8267
2013 Jul 14, 7:10am
It was Clinton's administration that put the final nail in the coffin in "Glass-Steagall
True, and that was the biggest mistake of the Clinton administration. However, Clinton also balanced the budget, had a surplus, kept us out of war, and made some progress in Middle East peace negotiations (which were undone by the Bush administration).
Ironic you claim that Clinton served the public interest on a thread about "Glass-Steagall"
Regardless of irony, it's true. Overall, the Clinton administration did more good than harm, something that can't be said of any other administration since 1980.
How did it serve the publics interest when Clinton being investigated for lying about a sexual misconduct
He didn't lie. He just didn't volunteer information to fuel a trumped-up sex scandal by Republicans who hypocritically were cheating on their own wives. The only bad thing about the Lewinsky Scandal is that it distracted the stupid people in the public from real issues and it allowed the 2000 election to be close enough that the Republicans stole it.
would regularly fire off missiles at foreign countries to distract the media and publics attention from his lies
That simply is not true. You are thinking of Bush, who started multiple wars in order to scare the public into voting for him. Clinton targeted six terrorist sites in Afghanistan that were operated by Osama bin Laden before 9/11. This was done as a response to the bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.
If anything, Clinton should have used more force, not less. If he had killed din Laden and the high ranking members of Al Qaeda, 9/11 would not have happened. Clinton actually practices restraint in order to make sure that he did not start an intractable war.
U.S. Defense Secretary William Cohen said the goal of the strikes was to disrupt and attempt to destroy the suspected training and support facilities used to train "hundreds, if not thousands, of terrorists."
"We recognize these strikes will not eliminate the problem," Cohen said. "But our message is clear. There will be no sanctuary for terrorists and no limit to our resolve to defend American citizens and our interests -- our ideals of democracy and law -- against these cowardly attacks."
To claim that Clinton was starting wars to distract the public for political gain is utterly incorrect.
It was Clinton's administration that put the final nail in the coffin in "Glass-Steagall
True, and that was the biggest mistake of the Clinton administration.
I know I just stated it.
Dan8267 says
However, Clinton also balanced the budget, had a surplus,
It was a "THEORETICAL SURPLUS" .. "it never manifested" due to the next President!!!!! and so what! this thread is about "Glass-Steagall"
How did it serve the publics interest when Clinton being investigated for lying about a sexual misconduct
He didn't lie.
Yes he did, to the entire world. " I did not have sexual relations with that woman".
LIE and he was impeached.
"William Jefferson Clinton was impeached on charges of perjury and obstruction of justice today by a divided House of Representatives, which recommended virtually along party lines that the Senate remove the nation's 42d President from office."
would regularly fire off missiles at foreign countries to distract the media and publics attention from his lies
That simply is not true.
Simply it is true.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruise_missile_strikes_on_Afghanistan_and_Sudan_(August_1998)
Cruise missile strikes on Afghanistan and Sudan (August 1998)
"75 cruise missiles were fired by the U.S. "
and that's not the end of it by any means.Dan8267 says
To claim that Clinton was starting wars to distract the public for political gain is utterly incorrect.
It is 100% correct and you are being disingenuous..
ATTACK ON IRAQ: THE OVERVIEW; IMPEACHMENT VOTE IN HOUSE DELAYED AS CLINTON LAUNCHES IRAQ AIR STRIKE, CITING MILITARY NEED TO MOVE SWIFTLY
http://www.nytimes.com/1998/12/17/world/attack-iraq-overview-impeachment-vote-house-delayed-clinton-launches-iraq-air.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm
"President Clinton ordered a ''strong sustained series of air strikes'' against Iraq today, defending the attack as unavoidable even as incensed Congressional Republicans charged that it was politically timed to stave off the pending resolution to impeach him in the House of Representatives."
You want more proof Clinton would fire off missiles whenever he felt like it!
would regularly fire off missiles at foreign countries to distract the media and publics attention from his lies
That simply is not true.
It's true.
To claim that Clinton was starting wars to distract the public for political gain is utterly incorrect.
It's 100% true and proven.
APOCALYPSEFUCK is Shostakovich says
Clinton sucked the banksters cocks harder than any president and allowed the Citibank/S Dakota gambit to go unanswered effectively destroying usuary laws in the US. The suspension of GS was just his final vile confection on their behalf.
He should be crucified between Greenspan and the last dozens CEOs of all the TBTF banks, AIG and the Wall Street houses - all of them.
Enron Scandal - The Enron scandal, revealed in October 2001
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enron_scandal
Countrywide Heloc Loan Scandal of the 80's, 90's,& 2000's
Have they ever stopped even after being bought by Skank Of Ameri'Stasi
The lists go on and on, Clinton sucked big time.
Dan8267
2013 Jul 14, 7:41am
It was a "THEORETICAL SURPLUS" .. "it never manifested" due to the next President!!!!! and so what the thread is about "Glass-Steagall"
Just because Bush destroyed the economy and drove our nation into bankruptcy doesn't mean Clinton failed to accomplish a surplus. However, point taken. The surplus would have been "manifested" and the national debt decreased had Gore taken office after being elected.
Yes he did, to the entire world. " I did not have sexual relations with that woman".
LIE and he was impeached.
No, that was not a lie. Clinton did not have "sexual relations", a euphemism for sexual intercourse, with Lewinsky. And even if he had, it would not have any relevance whatsoever to the public, the Congressional hearing, or anything else. But, nonetheless, it was not a lie no matter how many times Republicans lie about it being a lie.
The fault goes to the dickless Republicans who didn't have the balls to ask Clinton the right question, "Did you get a blow job from Lewinsky?". They didn't ask that question because it would have made them look bad. In a trial or hearing, you answer the question the prosecution asked, not the question the prosecution meant to ask, and you don't volunteer information that will be used, justly or unjustly, against you. It is a lie to say that Clinton lied when answering the question, "Did you have sexual relations with that woman?".
But, let's be honest here. Is there any president, senator, or representative who has not lied at some point in their career? Hell, is there any human being over the age of two who hasn't lied? Hell, is there any human being over the age of 20 who hasn't lied since turning 18? Even if Clinton had lie -- which he didn't -- why would that lie be the one unforgivable lie in the history or presidencies? Had it been a lie -- which it wasn't -- it would have been a lie without any negative consequences. Compared that to the lies told by Bush and his administration which murdered over a million people, mostly innocent civilians, in wars and led to the despicable torture of others and the erosion of our civil and human rights.
As for the impeachment, it was purely political. Impeachment is bringing charges against a president. It's not a conviction. The fact that Clinton was not convicted shows that the impeachment had no valid basis. Those bringing the charges are the ones who should have been charged. They endangered the well-being and security of America. Had the Republicans not distracted the nation and wasted time on a trumped-up sex scandal, Clinton might have taken out the Al Qaeda leadership including bin Laden before 9/11, saving thousands of Americans. Thank the Republicans for 9/11.
Simply it is true.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruise_missile_strikes_on_Afghanistan_and_Sudan_(August_1998)
I quote CNN. You quote Wikipedia, a propaganda machine controlled by various political and corporate interests with no peer review, a pseudo-encylopedia that claimed that Plato was a Hawaiian surfer dude taught by Barney the Purple Dinosaur.
Once again Wikipedia shows it's worth as an identifier of posts not worth reading. 'Nuff said.
your are being disingenuous
To claim that I am being disingenuous undermines any credibility in your words.
Dan8267
2013 Jul 14, 7:42am
Enron Scandal - The Enron scandal, revealed in October 2001
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enron_scandal
Countrywide Heloc Loan Scandal of the 80's, 90's,& 2000's
Have they ever stopped even after being bought by Skank Of Ameri'Stasi
The lists go on and on, Clinton sucked big time.
Don't forget about AIDS, cancer, and world hunger. All also the personal fault of Bill Clinton.
Dan8267
2013 Jul 14, 7:43am
It's nice to know that Clinton hate will never die. It was never founded on anything but partisanship, so it will never cease.
At least my hatred of Bush and Obama is based on what they actually did as presidents.
Don't forget about AIDS, cancer, and world hunger. All also the personal fault of Bill Clinton.
Why are you being so disingenuous Dan? You know you are wrong about Clinton
Clinton fired off hundreds of missiles at foreign countries , 100's to distract from his lies....
FACT!
It's nice to know that Clinton hate will never die.
Neither will the truth of his lies and deceptions.
FACT!
Balanced budget, Surplus, none of it materialized. None! It was theoretical at best. It was all smoke and mirrors.
At least my hatred of Bush and Obama is based on what they actually did as presidents.
I guess you chose to ignore my posts, so I will post it again.
ATTACK ON IRAQ: THE OVERVIEW; IMPEACHMENT VOTE IN HOUSE DELAYED AS CLINTON LAUNCHES IRAQ AIR STRIKE, CITING MILITARY NEED TO MOVE SWIFTLY
"President Clinton ordered a ''strong sustained series of air strikes'' against Iraq today, defending the attack as unavoidable even as incensed Congressional Republicans charged that it was politically timed to stave off the pending resolution to impeach him in the House of Representatives."
You want more proof Clinton would fire off missiles whenever he felt like it!
ATTACK ON IRAQ: THE OVERVIEW; IMPEACHMENT VOTE IN HOUSE DELAYED AS CLINTON LAUNCHES IRAQ AIR STRIKE, CITING MILITARY NEED TO MOVE SWIFTLY
NYTimes BITCHES!
CNN LMFAO!
Warren Drops Bombshell In Senate Hearing: Bill To Restore Glass-Steagall
ended under Clinton.
But, let's be honest here. Is there any president, senator, or representative who has not lied at some point in their career?
and fired off 100's and 100's of missiles at foreign countries to detract from their political and personal FAILURES!
Just Clinton.
lied after getting caught about getting his dick sucked to the entire world, well that was just Clinton.
Dan8267
2013 Jul 14, 8:04am
Clinton fired off hundreds of missiles at foreign countries
Are you talking about Afghanistan or Iraq. I already address Afghanistan. Here's Iraq.
http://www.youtube.com/embed/p58KzMMpILY
So Clinton targeted specific sites and stop Hussein from getting nuclear and chemical weapons, which is exactly why Bush never found WMDs. Clinton solved that problem.
And Clinton accomplished this without starting a 12+ year war like the one Bush started and is still going on.
The decision to use force is never cost free.
- Clinton
Yes, Clinton understood the need to wisely balance force and restraint, something that Bush/Cheney didn't. Clinton also understood the need to act with the cooperation of other nations and with Iraqi dissidents. Bush never got that.
Once again, any reasonable person would conclude that our nation and the world would have been better off with President Gore continuing Clinton's foreign policies. It's likely that Saddam would have been removed from power either without war or with only a very short (several weeks or months) war, had the Clinton path been taken instead of the Cheney path.
So, no, I don't buy for a second that Clinton was starting wars to cover political scandals that did not take him down or make him less popular. Clinton's predecessor, George Bush, Sr. left a mess in Iraq after the Gulf War withdraw. Clinton's successor, George Bush, Jr. left a mess in Iraq from his endless war. And you want me to think that Clinton was wagging the dog's tail for his extremely limited engagement in Iraq? Clinton had to clean up the mess that the Bush family made. Plain and simple.
To claim that Clinton started military conflicts to distract the public from scandals is ridiculous. Just look at the Gallup poll for Clinton's approval rating. It's high and trends steadily upward during practically all of his presidency. He didn't need a popularity boost.
Compare that to Bush's approval rating.
Or even Obama's...
Are you talking about Afghanistan or Iraq. I already address Afghanistan. Here's Iraq.
And here is the truth of Clinton's actions.
ATTACK ON IRAQ: THE OVERVIEW; IMPEACHMENT VOTE IN HOUSE DELAYED AS CLINTON LAUNCHES IRAQ AIR STRIKE, CITING MILITARY NEED TO MOVE SWIFTLY
So, no, I don't buy for a second that Clinton was starting wars to cover political scandals that did not take him down or make him less popular.
You are delusional !
To claim that Clinton started military conflicts to distract the public from scandals is ridiculous
You are delusional!
and totally ignorant.
And here is the truth of Clinton's actions.
ATTACK ON IRAQ: THE OVERVIEW; IMPEACHMENT VOTE IN HOUSE DELAYED AS CLINTON LAUNCHES IRAQ AIR STRIKE, CITING MILITARY NEED TO MOVE SWIFTLY
Dan8267
2013 Jul 14, 8:09am
lied after getting caught about getting his dick sucked to the entire world, well that was just Clinton.
The fact that you obsessively repeat this false talking point without even addressing the counter-arguments I've made showing that it is false demonstrates that you are not being rational.
You say "X! X! X!".
I say "X is not true. Here is the proof: P.".
You say "X!".
I say, "I've already shown that X is false. See P.".
You say "You're just ignoring X!"
Puhim, let me explain this as simply as possible. There is no such thing as proof by repetition. It doesn't matter how many times you say X, it does not make X true. It only makes you look fanatic, especially when I have already address the falsehood and irrelevance of X in extreme detail.
The fact that you obsessively repeat this false talking point
Delusional, Ignorant Fool.
You are only interested in your own points.
Fool.
Dan8267
2013 Jul 14, 8:11am
By the way, if having the economy, peace, prosperity, and safety of the 1990s required a president having his dick blow, then we should have a Constitutional Amendment requiring all presidential dicks to be blow daily.
By the way, if having the economy, peace, prosperity, and safety of the 1990s required a president having his dick blow, then we should have a Constitutional Amendment requiring all presidential dicks to be blow daily.
Delusional , idiot! Wow you clam to know a lot about history except the truth!
Dan8267
2013 Jul 14, 8:50am
Delusional , idiot! Wow you clam to know a lot about history except the truth!
Wow, that's such a great counter-argument.
I suppose I should not be surprised. Anyone stupid enough to claim that Clinton started wars to gain popularity when all the evidence contradicts that is obviously not intelligent enough to make an adult argument to support his claims.
As to your New York Times article, have you actually read it or just the part that vaguely conjectures "critics questioned the timing of the attack, with some describing it as intended to exploit a war mentality as a distraction from domestic politics"?
The "critics" were the same Republicans who in Bush Sr.'s term supported invading Iraq and again supported war and invasion of Iraq in Bush Jr's term. And those "critics" were eager to believe that Saddam had WMDs -- which he didn't because Clinton stopped him -- and that Saddam was connected to 9/11 -- which he wasn't.
By the way, these "critics" are the same lying ass Republicans trying to get Clinton impeached over a blow job. It's obvious to any rational person that these Republicans are just playing unethical power games in order to advance their own careers at the expense of the nation.
Again, Clinton was already at his peak popularity during the Lewinsky pseudo-scandal. The only people bitching about it were people who hated Clinton already. Even women, who you might think would take offense at a man cheating on his wife, absolutely loved Clinton before, during, and after the pseudo-scandal. Clinton lost no popularity from that pseudo-scandal, had no reason to use cruise missiles to distract from the scandal, was responding to terrorist attacks against U.S. embassies, and yet practice great restraint in those responses.
But please, call me an idiot again and say "Clinton lied about getting a blow job". I'm sure this time, that approach will work.
And here is the truth of Clinton's actions.
ATTACK ON IRAQ: THE OVERVIEW; IMPEACHMENT VOTE IN HOUSE DELAYED AS CLINTON LAUNCHES IRAQ AIR STRIKE, CITING MILITARY NEED TO MOVE SWIFTLY
But please, call me an idiot again and say "Clinton lied about getting a blow job". I'm sure this time, that approach will work.
Dan, your a fucking idiot.
Disgusting apologist.
Get ready to bend over for Hilary!
She will make you squeal!
The Clinton's have no more business with the Presidency just like those Bush's.
Dan8267
2013 Jul 14, 9:01am
But please, call me an idiot again and say "Clinton lied about getting a blow job". I'm sure this time, that approach will work.
Dan, your a fucking idiot.
Disgusting apologist.
Get ready to bend over for Hilary!
She will make you squeal!
The above response tells anyone reading this thread everything they need to know about the people who persecute Clinton and the truth of their assertions.
I suppose I should not be surprised. Anyone stupid enough to claim that Clinton started wars to gain popularity
nobody claimed it was for "POPULARITY"
can you read Dan?
By the way, these "critics" are the same lying ass Republicans trying to get Clinton impeached over a blow job
and yet it was Clinton who lied, perjured himself and got impeached!
My claim is valid.
Clinton fired off 100's and 100's of missiles at foreign countries to deflect from his personal and political FAILURES!
The above response tells anyone reading this thread everything they need to know about the people who persecute Clinton and the truth of their assertions.
Go cry me a river Clinton apologist
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2006/09/the_truth_about/
The truth about Clinton and “Wag the Dogâ€
By the way, these "critics" are the same lying ass Republicans trying to get Clinton impeached over a blow job. It's obvious to any rational person that these Republicans are just playing unethical power games in order to advance their own careers at the expense of the nation.
http://www.mega.nu/ampp/khartoumbomb.html
Bill Clinton Bombs an Aspirin Factory
The following are ten articles, in reverse chronological order, about the US cruise missile demolition of a pharmaceuticals factory in Sudan.
from TPDL 2000-Aug-1, from the Associated Press 2000-Jul-31:
Owner of Destroyed Plant To Sue
WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Sudanese owner of a pharmaceutical plant destroyed by U.S. cruise missiles is seeking $50 million in compensation on the ground that his Khartoum factory was targeted because of false charges that it had terrorist links.
Clinton would do anything to cover up his failures!
So, no, I don't buy for a second that Clinton was starting wars to cover political scandals t
This is a proven fact that Clinton used the military to cover his own personal and political failures.
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Senator Warren Drops A Bombshell In Senate Hearing: Bipartisan Bill To Restore Glass-Steagall Being Introduced
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