patrick.net

interesting....

9) Farmed salmon. Farmed salmon is another high-risk cancer food, according to Dr. David Carpenter, Director of the Institute for Health and the Environment at the University of Albany. According to his assessment, farmed salmon not only lacks vitamin D, but it is often contaminated with carcinogenic chemicals, PCBs (polychlorinated biphenyls), flame retardants, pesticides, and antibiotics
(http://www.albany.edu/ihe/salmonstudy/pressrelease.html).

Read More: http://www.whydontyoutrythis.com/2013/09/top-10-most-unhealthy-cancer-causing-foods-never-eat-these-again.html

O2:

I don't know what your problem is. a flame retardant fish that won't have any bacteria or other bugs? Sign me up!

Dairy should not even be a food group, and is definitely not essential to a healthy diet. For 90% of human history, dairy did not exist. Our species did not become dependent on it in the comparatively short time it has been available. To the contrary, dairy is unhealthy for many people, possibly most, even if they have not been officially diagnosed with lactose intolerance.

Industry lobbying produced government subsidies, ads on TV, and false categorization of dairy as an essential food group. Subsidized dairy and grain have added massively to obesity and ill health. Dairy products should be counted in the same junk non-food group as candy: they might taste good, but they aren't healthy.

Fruits and vegetables are essential, and the other food groups can also be helpful, but nobody needs dairy.

My Grandmother lived to be 102, and she drank buttermilk and ate ice cream everyday.

GRACE123 says

My Grandmother lived to be 102, and she drank buttermilk and ate ice cream everyday.

And she smoked a pack a day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias

curious2 says

Dairy should not even be a food group, and is definitely not essential to a healthy diet. For 90% of human history, dairy did not exist. Our species did not become dependent on it in the comparatively short time it has been available. To the contrary, dairy is unhealthy for many people, possibly most, even if they have not been officially diagnosed with lactose intolerance.

It's not essential but that doesn't mean it's bad for you. Also there are people who cannot handle fructose very well although fruits have been a natural human food forever. Staying mostly on the fermented side with organic Kefir, Yoghurt (unsweetened) and raw-milk on the non-fermented side can be a healthy choice. Apart from that I think most people would agree with his view on conventional milk.

And the same argument that curious2 made about dairy can also be made about grains, especially wheat and barley, to which a percentage of people are intolerant of the gluten protein it contains. If you're some Paleo true-believer who likes to criticize people for eating bread or beans or cheese based on your own food intolerances and/or quasi-religious convictions about eating, you'd do to read "Paleofantasy."
The key to correct and healthy eating is variable between individuals, based on their intolerances and allergies, and also on specific needs. But the best overall advice is to eat balanced diet with lots of green veggies and also fruits. Most people with unhealthy diets neglect the vegetables, and this can cause serious side effects having to do with essential coenzymes, homocysteine, and platelet clumps.

Anyone remember the Atkins Diet?

Basically, avoid fish unless you feel you're deficient in mercury, cadmium, or arsenic.

freak80 says

Anyone remember the Atkins Diet?

That the one where you get colon cancer from red meat consumption, go on chemo, and look ravishingly, beautifully thin as a result?

HydroCabron says

That the one where you get colon cancer from red meat consumption, go on chemo, and look ravishingly, beautifully thin as a result?

Yes that one. The one that helped give my father heart disease, causing him to go to the other extreme: the Ornish Diet.

Quigley says

But the best overall advice is to eat balanced diet with lots of green veggies and also fruits.

No one knows what balanced means. Everyone assumes that balance or it's vague cousin moderation is like them, or it is what they see everyone else eating. The admonitions to eat a balanced diet and eat in moderation are about as exact as saying someone is in the middle class.

If you want mediocre results, eat whatever you see everyone else eating. If you want better results, eat what you think is healthier and experiment on yourself. Remember that you cannot see or feel the heart disease until it is too late, though. So it is best to experiment within the range of foods that have been known to be healthy across many cultures for ages.

freak80 says

Anyone remember the Atkins Diet?

I saw the headline of an article the other day that said the diet was coming back - good news for the owners of the crap they sold with their brand name.

Complete bullshit. I defy anyone to find a single verifiable fact in that nonsense blog entry. I just went to my fridge and looked at the ingredients on my carton of milk. It contains milk and vitamin d. that's it. It does not have any sweeteners or anything else added to it. People are so fucking gullible it's ridiculous.

But fad-diet pushers make so much $$$$. They aren't going away anytime soon.

Oxygen says

farmed salmon not only lacks vitamin D, but it is often contaminated with carcinogenic chemicals, PCBs (polychlorinated biphenyls), flame retardants

Well I don't know about you, but the last thing I want is my salmon catching fire while in the oven.

Homeboy says

Complete bullshit. I defy anyone to find a single verifiable fact in that nonsense blog entry. I just went to my fridge and looked at the ingredients on my carton of milk. It contains milk and vitamin d. that's it. It does not have any sweeteners or anything else added to it. People are so fucking gullible it's ridiculous.

The sweeteners seems like a lie, maybe they were expanding it to "milk drinks" which often contain those, surely milk doesn't have those added. It can contain traces of antibiotics and hormones though, more likely for conventional milk. Still no reason not to drink it occasionally.

HEY YOU says

http://www.whydontyoutrythis.com

Websites that pop up div ads and move them across the screen after you've been reading an article are disrespectful, annoying, and counter-productive. I'd never buy any good, service, or subscription if an ad for it annoys me.

Anyone know of a good Firefox plugin to block pop-unders, particularly ones that are set off by timers?

This is the good stuff. Only 100 calories now. They've reduce the sugar. Although its not as sweet and decadent as it used to be, it's still very good and better for you.

Homeboy says

I defy anyone to find a single verifiable fact in that nonsense blog entry. I just went to my fridge and looked at the ingredients on my carton of milk. It contains milk and vitamin d. that's it. It does not have any sweeteners

In the original article, the authors are concerned that kids are drinking sweetened milk in school cafeterias. This sweetened milk contributes to overconsumption of sugars since these kids also go to McDs and drink free refills of soda pop. Schools do this because they want to help get kids to the minimum requirements for milk consumption, which the authors argue is unnecessary. (Note this is an opinion article in JAMA Pediatrics, not a research article.)

The blog entry then becomes, "Milk is bad," and the bleeding heart liberal video is posted. Huh?

Personally, I take issue with the authors of the opinion article who say that humans have been healthy through the millenia without milk. Ok, but they lived to be 30 and were 4 feet tall. I'll live in 2013 rather than 1013, thanks.

*Cheers* [lifts glass of milk]

mell says

It can contain traces of antibiotics and hormones though, more likely for conventional milk.

Nah, that's just more scare tactics. Studies have shown there is no difference between milk from cows that get rBST and cows that don't.

Dan8267 says

This is the good stuff. Only 100 calories now. They've reduce the sugar. Although its not as sweet and decadent as it used to be, it's still very good and better for you.

Um, no - anything with added sugar and salt is not good for you. You're being duped.

egads101 says

the oracle uses sugar free almond milk in his coffee.

not quite the treat of the sugary stuff, but better for you! 40 cals a cup!

Good man!

JH says

Personally, I take issue with the authors of the opinion article who say that humans have been healthy through the millenia without milk. Ok, but they lived to be 30 and were 4 feet tall. I'll live in 2013 rather than 1013, thanks.

*Cheers* [lifts glass of milk]

Yea and why bother living without cheese.

jessica says

Yea and why bother living without cheese.

Agreed.

Homeboy says

Dan8267 says

This is the good stuff. Only 100 calories now. They've reduce the sugar. Although its not as sweet and decadent as it used to be, it's still very good and better for you.

Um, no - anything with added sugar and salt is not good for you. You're being duped.

It's the amount of sugar that matters. All natural foods, including almond milk, have some sugar. Yes, some sugar is added, but not much.

Food facts rated Silk Pure Almond Chocolate Milk at a B- back when it contained 22g of sugar and was 120 calories per serving. It now has 17g of sugar and is 100 calories per serving. That's a 23% reduction in sugar, and it's why I consider Silk to be better than Blue Diamond.

Under the reduced sugar, it is mostly likely that this product would be rated a B+. And let's face facts. It's unrealistic to eat only grade A foods. Grade B foods in moderation are still healthy and important to keep people from binging and away from those C to F foods.

Clearly the natural choice is to drink the milk from another mammal throughout your life. I can think of no more sensible dietary choice than a fluid designed to put several hundred pounds on a calf over a few months.

HydroCabron says

Clearly the natural choice is to drink the milk from another mammal throughout your life.

I try to get my milk straight from the bosoms of MILFs.

Quigley says

And the same argument that curious2 made about dairy can also be made about grains, especially wheat and barley, to which a percentage of people are intolerant of the gluten protein it contains.

It says something that the foods most likely to be unhealthy are also the most heavily subsidized. I see that pattern expanding with Obamacare, with a mandate including diagnostic radiation coverage even in populations where it kills more people than it saves. Basically, if you're trying to sell something that no rational person would buy in a free market, you bribe politicians to make everyone buy it (either through subsidies or now mandates), advertise it on TV, and raise the price to cover the cost of the ads and bribes.

As for dairy, I have no objection to people buying it on their own, if Homefool wants to buy milk that's his choice, but I don't like the costs being shifted onto everyone else via subsidies and Obamacare. Maybe he doesn't see any connection between his diet and his symptoms, but I do. Some people can tolerate milk, but it causes a complex range of symptoms in people who can't.

curious2 says

Dairy should not even be a food group, and is definitely not essential to a healthy diet. For 90% of human history, dairy did not exist.

What did your mother give you right after birth ... Mr. Smarty Pants?

FortWayne says

What did your mother give you right after birth ... genius you think of that?

If your mother was a cow, or a goat, sheep, buffalo, or camel, then dairy was probably essential for you, and the low level of your intellect becomes understandable. If your mother was human, but fed you dairy instead, then that was your loss. I don't know what TV channels you're watching, but I don't see subsidized human breast milk advertised on TV for consumption by adults.

curious2 says

Basically, if you're trying to sell something that no rational person would buy in a free market, you bribe politicians to make everyone buy it (either through subsidies or now mandates), advertise it on TV, and raise the price to cover the cost of the ads and bribes.

If we would just get rid of government, and let the market determine everything, we wouldn't have this problem. ;-)

freak80 says

If we would just get rid of government, and let the market determine everything, we wouldn't have this problem. ;-)

OK, I admit we'd probably have other problems, but it's true we wouldn't have this particular problem. The issue with anarchists is they are right about the problems caused by government (e.g. the drug war, the Viet Nam war) but naive about the solution, because a place with no effective government (e.g. Sudan) wouldn't necessarily be better.

Dan8267 says

It's the amount of sugar that matters. All natural foods, including almond milk, have some sugar. Yes, some sugar is added, but not much.

I disagree. The sugar that occurs naturally in plants is o.k.; it is the processed sugar that is added to packaged foods that is the problem.

http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/body-process-fruit-sugars-same-way-refined-sugar-8174.html

Dan8267 says

HydroCabron says

Clearly the natural choice is to drink the milk from another mammal throughout your life.

I try to get my milk straight from the bosoms of MILFs.

That would also be clearly the healthiest alternative even before raw cow milk ;)

curious2 says

Dairy should not even be a food group, and is definitely not essential to a healthy diet. For 90% of human history, dairy did not exist. Our species did not become dependent on it in the comparatively short time it has been available. To the contrary, dairy is unhealthy for many people, possibly most, even if they have not been officially diagnosed with lactose intolerance.

Industry lobbying produced government subsidies, ads on TV, and false categorization of dairy as an essential food group. Subsidized dairy and grain have added massively to obesity and ill health. Dairy products should be counted in the same junk non-food group as candy: they might taste good, but they aren't healthy.

Fruits and vegetables are essential, and the other food groups can also be helpful, but nobody needs dairy.

curious2 youre the biggest liberal flake on this damn site, and that says a lot in this place.

http://www.westonaprice.org/

whats next, applauding the Dalai Lama for maintaining a 1000 year old agricultural feudal caste system?

I thought someone would rant on subsidies.

Those that drink milk must be Liberal Big Govt. Redistribution Socialists.
Hope you enjoy your cheap milk on my tax dollar.

Why do you hate Free Enterprise?

http://farm.ewg.org/progdetail.php?fips=00000&progcode=dairy

HEY YOU says

I thought someone would rant on subsidies.

Those that drink milk must be Liberal Big Govt. Redistribution Socialists.

Hope you enjoy your cheap milk on my tax dollar.

Why do you hate Free Enterprise?

http://farm.ewg.org/progdetail.php?fips=00000&progcode=dairy

You got a point there. Another reason to go with (local if possible) raw milk, organic, farmers. They don't get get those subsidies, they get harassed by the FDA goons instead ;)

mell says

They don't get get those subsidies

Cite?

mell says

HEY YOU says

I thought someone would rant on subsidies.

Those that drink milk must be Liberal Big Govt. Redistribution Socialists.

Hope you enjoy your cheap milk on my tax dollar.

Why do you hate Free Enterprise?

http://farm.ewg.org/progdetail.php?fips=00000&progcode=dairy

You got a point there. Another reason to go with (local if possible) raw milk, organic, farmers. They don't get get those subsidies, they get harassed by the FDA goons instead ;)

Because raw milk has a good chance of poisoning you.

New Renter says

mell says

HEY YOU says

I thought someone would rant on subsidies.

Those that drink milk must be Liberal Big Govt. Redistribution Socialists.

Hope you enjoy your cheap milk on my tax dollar.

Why do you hate Free Enterprise?

http://farm.ewg.org/progdetail.php?fips=00000&progcode=dairy

You got a point there. Another reason to go with (local if possible) raw milk, organic, farmers. They don't get get those subsidies, they get harassed by the FDA goons instead ;)

Because raw milk has a good chance of poisoning you.

Patuerization is evil just like vaccination. They have nothing to do with modern life expectancy you know