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“I did not seek a second term to do small things,” he said during his victory speech Tuesday evening, invoking the “spirit of Sandy,” the superstorm that ravaged the state a year ago. “I sought a second term to finish the job. Now watch me do it.”

“It’s no longer a job for me,” he said, later in the speech. “It’s a mission. A mission is something that is different from a job. It’s something sacred.”

It seems people are fed up with the corporatist fascists and their graft. Going to be hard for the dems to seperate themselves from the Corzine democrats. Especially when the dem consensus is that they will run another Clinton in 2016.

If people are fed up with corporatist fascists then why did they elect Christie?

rooemoore says

If people are fed up with corporatist fascists then why did they elect Christie?

Because he's not a democrat. New jerseyians still have the face of the democrat party, jon corzine, and all his graft, fresh in their memory

Christy's election was more a referendum for the GOP than the Democrats. The fact that he is fairly moderate, stays out of socially conservative issues, is willing to actually make concessions with the opposing party should be sending a message to the GOP that they are going to need to become more moderate and change course if they care to win in 2016. if anything, I see Christy's election as a positive outcome for both the GOP and the Democrats- assuming the GOP takes notes and pays attention.

edvard2 says

I see Christy's election as a positive outcome for both the GOP and the Democrats- assuming the GOP takes notes and pays attention.

I totally agree, and Christie is a Republican that I could see myself voting for, but then again so was John McCain until he prostrated himself on the alter of the most extreme.

If the Christie-esque moderate Republicans can manage to purge their party of the crazy that has been slowly tightening its grip for decades, then I would consider voting for Christie. I would hate to see Christie get the nomination just to turnaround and bow to the whims of the insane.

leo707 says

I totally agree, and Christie is a Republican that I could see myself voting for, but then again so was John McCain until he prostrated himself on the alter of the most extreme.

Indeed. The thing is that I too see Christy as a fairly reasonable person where his party's designation is of less importance to me. So the GOP should take heed of this and use the opportunity wisely.

Wishful thinking that the GOP regains any sliver of sensibility. They are so far down the rabbit hole, there's no turning back now. Christie may as well just run as a democrat to save us all from another clinton presidency

errc says

rooemoore says

If people are fed up with corporatist fascists then why did they elect Christie?

Because he's not a democrat. New jerseyians still have the face of the democrat party, jon corzine, and all his graft, fresh in their memory

Are you saying that Christie isn't just another politician in the tank for big business? If so, I bet you believe in angels too!

BTW, he's also a walking ad for eating disorders. Based on what you've written here I'd think that would be a big problem for you.

rooemoore says

If people are fed up with corporatist fascists then why did they elect Christie?

Was there an other choice?

Heraclitusstudent says

rooemoore says

If people are fed up with corporatist fascists then why did they elect Christie?

Was there an other choice?

good point.

leo707 said: I totally agree, and Christie is a Republican that I could see myself voting for...
edvard2 sad: The thing is that I too see Christy as a fairly reasonable person where his party's designation is of less importance to me.
I've been wanting to start a thread on the California Governors Top Two primary that will be coming up next year. I posted before that Maldonado may make things interesting in the race (and that his campaign is at it's lowest point right now -- nowhere to go but up). Republican Assemblyman Tim Donnelly just threw his hat into the ring and he will be representin' for the Tea Party wing in the primary. This will be our first Top Two open primary for the governorship; will we get two moderates (Brown and Maldonado) duking it out in November, or some other interesting combination...

leo707 says

If the Christie-esque moderate Republicans can manage to purge their party of
the crazy that has been slowly tightening its grip for decades, then I would
consider voting for Christie. I would hate to see Christie get the nomination
just to turnaround and bow to the whims of the insane.

Exactly. The republican base that votes faithfully also comprises the whole of the teapublicans, and look at Christie's rhetoric BEFORE that hurricane devastated NJ, and after he committed the unthinkable: being pictured with the president(whom the base of the party despises)assessing the aftermath of that hurricane. The crazies of the right tried and are still trying to punish him, and the people of NJ by witholding desparetly needed federal money to rebuild, and yet those same republicans that are doing that recieve federal money quite often when droughts and tornados wreak damage upon their districts.

Christie has to survive the party nomination process and the wrath of the crazies before he would ever be accessable to the votes of the center, and ther lies the jist of his political future at the national level. Just look at the long list of goofballs that the extremist right wanted to be running for prez; Bachmann, Cain, Santorum, Gingrich, and Perry.

He'll have to morph into a modern day version of Reagan with an extremist twist whereas he'll have to use the right boogeyman and corresponding dogma based upon the crowd he's speaking to. Speechafying in the south better include some dogmatic phrases toward people with a skin color, along with insinuations that wages need to be less than the min. wage when he's at the Chamber of Commerce sponsered events. But, the bible thumpers will tar and feather him for his stance on gay marriage.

Can and will he do what it takes to pass the purity test of the extremist base, and will they remember his recent past, not to mention all the contrived BS that will be made up about him by them by the goofballs that pump out the extrmeists' thoughts?

EBGuy says

Republican Assemblyman Tim Donnelly just threw his hat into the ring and he will be representin' for the Tea Party wing in the primary.

Might as well save the money because a Tea-partier has a snowball's chance in the center of the sun running in Cali.

evard2 said: a Tea-partier has a snowball's chance in the center of the sun running in Cali...
In the general election, yes. All bets are off for the open primary, though (especially if more Republicans throw their hat into the ring to split the vote). Plus he wants to bring sexy back to CA. It would be a disaster for the GOP if he made it through to the general election.

Saying a Tea Party canidate could win in California for governor would be similar to suggesting that Obama could be voted Governor in TX.

errc says

It seems people are fed up with the corporatist fascists and their graft. Going to be hard for the dems to seperate themselves from the Corzine democrats. Especially when the dem consensus is that they will run another Clinton in 2016.

They'll just label Christie as anti woman or anti something. That kind of gig works every time, doesn't even have to be true as long as they say it over and over.

I like him, but he has very little chance of winning with Hillary running on her feminist campaign.

@edvard2, No disagreement from me. I'm interested in handicapping the Top Two Open Primary for CA Governor. Will the GOP be able to rally behind a viable candidate, or will chaos prevail? It's a given that Brown makes it through to the general election. The wildest (and most unlikely scenario) would be total fragmentation on the GOP side and someone running to the left of Brown. Ultimately, that could be where we're headed in 2018 if the CA GOP can't get its act together. Some parts of the state have already seen Dem on Dem fratricide.

FortWayne says

They'll just label Christie as anti woman or anti something.

Or they will just say that he was born in Canada, and fathered by a foreigner, and therefor not a "natural born citizen" and thus ineligible to hold the office of the President of the United States of America...oh wait...my bad, I was thinking of the Teapublican's darling Ted Cruz.

Hmmm...has he shown his birth certificate yet? Long form of course.

FortWayne says

I like him, but he has very little chance of winning with Hillary running on her feminist campaign.

Hillary would most likely be a lock against any "real" conservative candidate, but a RINO like Christie may stand a chance. The real albatross around his neck would be all those tea babies that whine and cry -- threatening to drag everyone down with them -- when the don't get their way.

errc says

Wishful thinking that the GOP regains any sliver of sensibility. They are so
far down the rabbit hole, there's no turning back now. Christie may as well just
run as a democrat to save us all from another clinton presidency

Huh?

Christie is pro-life and even vetoed gay marriage initiatives in New Jersey.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/18/nyregion/christie-vetoes-gay-marriage-bill.html?_r=0

Exactly how is Christie more "sensible" than your average US Republican or even Tea Party member? Aren't the two social issues above the ones that send you girls running to the hills allowing you to overlook that bat-shit crazy and incompetent Democrats who are bankrupting our cities and States with the failed Blue State model?

FortWayne says

ey'll just label Christie as anti woman or anti something. That kind of gig
works every time, doesn't even have to be true as long as they say it over and
over.

There's the accusation

FortWayne says

I like him, but he has very little chance of winning with Hillary running on
her feminist campaign.

And as any good hypocrite does, he never disappoints.

Retarded and a hypocrite all in one short post.

Did Christie ever succeed in lowering sky high property taxes in New Jersey?

socal2 says

Christie is pro-life and even vetoed gay marriage initiatives in New Jersey.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/18/nyregion/christie-vetoes-gay-marriage-bill.html?_r=0

Exactly how is Christie more "sensible" than your average US Republican or even Tea Party member? Aren't the two social issues above the ones that send you girls running to the hills allowing you to overlook that bat-shit crazy and incompetent Democrats who are bankrupting our cities and States with the failed Blue State model?

You are saying that like it's a bad thing, when it's not. There are a lot of people who don't think homosexuality needs to spread. There are also many people out there who don't like babies being murdered.

Personally I prefer elections be about economy, but I know it'll turn into War on Women or "Marriage Equality"... the two slogans for the Democratic party lap dogs.

leo707 says

Christie is a Republican that I could see myself voting for

Agreed. Christie is a PRACTICAL politician not a GOTP suicide bomber.

lostand confused says

Did Christie ever succeed in lowering sky high property taxes in New Jersey?

Yes, he slowed the rate of increase. Lol

Christie's positions on gun control and global warming will be a test of how much the GOP base is willing to swallow in order to win.

Of course, they nominated a guy in 2012 who virtually authored BenghaziCare, a greater insult to Jesus than Piss Christ, so maybe Christie needn't worry.

Since I had to look this one up, it was 60.4% for Christie to 38.1% for Silva.

Red indicates counties that Christie won:

You have to look closely to see what looks like a blue county is actually 2 counties that are next to each other.

sbh says

socal2 says

the failed Blue State model?

You mean the model that funds all the white-trash Red States, that one?

No - I'm talking about the Blue State model that is causing Democrat controlled cities go through bankruptcy and Democrat controlled States having their credit ratings downgraded.

FortWayne says

You are saying that like it's a bad thing, when it's not. There are a lot of
people who don't think homosexuality needs to spread. There are also many people
out there who don't like babies being murdered.

Personally I prefer elections be about economy, but I know it'll turn into
War on Women or "Marriage Equality"... the two slogans for the Democratic party
lap dogs.

Don't get me wrong. I am just pointing out the lib's cognitive dissonance where they can praise Christie and crap on the Tea Party thinking he is one of "them" in not being a social conservative and is some sort of moderate. Not only is Christie pro-life, he vetoed gay marriage legislation and refused to expand Medicaid through Obamacare. He also verbally beats the shit out of the teachers unions at every opportunity.

Yet some of the libs around here seem to think he is more "moderate" than your average Republican or Tea Party member.

I think most Democrats (not ideological Liberals) have a very shallow understanding of policies or the philosophical differences between the parties and only vote on brand or what Comedy Central tells them to think.

Democrats have been very successfull in branding the Republicans the party that will steal their lady-parts.

socal2 says

Democrats have been very successfull in branding the Republicans the party that will steal their lady-parts.

The Republicans have made that a pretty easy thing to do.

rooemoore says

socal2 says

Democrats have been very successfull in branding the Republicans the party that will steal their lady-parts.

The Republicans have made that a pretty easy thing to do.

Also, no one really thinks that Republicans are going to "steal" anyone's lady-parts. It is more that Republicans are the party that gleefully and abusively violates lady-parts with wanton abandon.

rooemoore says

The Republicans have made that a pretty easy thing to do.

Christie holds the same views, but he is not branded as such.

Why do you suppose that is? Were you even aware of Christie's conservatism on social issues?

Do Liberals have extra bigotry for people living in fly-over country and give Conservatives like Christie living in the East Coast a pass?

Is it all style over substance for deep thinking Liberals?

Obama sure as shit had style and cool factor over his last 2 opponents. But how is that working out for the country?

leo707 says

It is more that Republicans are the party that gleefully and abusively violates
lady-parts with wanton abandon.

Trust me - we think the same about folks like you who "gleefully and abusively" support terminating unborn babies with wanton abandon like there are no moral or ethical qualms at all.

I can't blame folks from 40 years ago not fully understanding the science and biology of abortion. But our understanding of science (and fetal viability) have come a long since Roe v. Wade and the flippant attitude that folks like you show to pro-life folks is pretty telling.

socal2 says

Obama sure as shit had style and cool factor over his last 2 opponents. But how is that working out for the country?

A helluva lot better than if McCain or Romney won.

socal2 says

Why do you suppose that is? Were you even aware of Christie's conservatism on social issues?

Abortion:
I seriously doubt that a RINO like Christie would go for things applauded by the Teapublicans; like forced penetration with an ultrasound wand before an incest rape victim can get an abortion.

Sure Christie is pro-life, but do you know that he has donated his own money to Planned Parenthood in the past? He used to be pro-choice. In 1996 he flip-flopped and is now pro-life, but believes there are exceptions.

Christie = moderate conservative views

People who have the Gay:
Yeah, he is against Gay marriage, but did you know Christie believes: people are born gay; homosexuality is not a "sin"; would love and accept a gay child; and promoted civil unions for gays. Does that sound anything like the frothing at the mouth homophobes decrying gays as the reason our civilization is falling -- all the while they furiously masturbate to images of Captain America -- that the GOP is rife with these days?

Christie = moderate conservative views

The scourge of drugs:
This is probably one of the more conservative social issues for Christie; just due to his opposition to medical marijuana. However, Christie has been a proponent of treatment rather than prison for drug offenses; so non-violent drug addicts like Rush Limbaugh are not "sent up the river", but have the opportunity to rehabilitate.

Any serious conservative would want drug addicts "sent up the river", like *er* serious conservative Rush Limbaugh has said.

Christie = conservative views (aka. non bat-shit-crazy conservative position on drugs)

Do we need to go on...? Anyway...a moderate or independent can see that while Christie does indeed hold "traditional conservative" views on social issues, he is quite reasonable and far from the completely insane views on social issues that have become the norm for today's Republicans.

Let's not forget how Christie has piled praise on Obama. Isn't that one of the Cardinal Sins?

Leo - the last 2 Republican presidential nominees (3 if you include Bush) had the same moderate views on abortion, gay marriage etc as you ascribe to Christie.

Face it, for every random Republcan back bencher you can point that has "extreme" views on some social issues, I can point to the same number of Democrats who believe abortion should be allowed in the 3rd trimester under ANY circumstance. Personally, I think infanticide and late term abortion for non medical reasons is about as extreme as you can possibly get. And the Democrats and national Media made a national hero out of the Texas woman who filibustered a law that would put Texas' abortion laws more in line with Europe.

And Gay marriage? It was all of 5 minutes ago that Obama, Hillary and most Democrats were against Gay Marriage. Was Obama an "extremist" in 2008?

So I guess you can continue to believe that Republicans are uniquely extreme and out of the mainstream because that is what our idiot boxes and DNC tells us to believe 24/7 - but it doesn't mean it is the truth.

socal2 says

Leo - the last 2 Republican presidential nominees (3 if you include Bush) had the same moderate views on abortion, gay marriage etc as you ascribe to Christie.

Ohhh...Really???? Please post a citation where Romney and/or Bush were once pro-life, and gave money to Planned Parenthood. I would be extremely interested in seeing that. Also, it would be great if you could cite quotes where they were saying that being gay is not a "sin" and gays were born that way.

Please no quotes on how Romney has a binder of gays next to his binder of women, but a real quote where he says it is not a sin, and they are born that way.

Thanks in advance.

socal2 says

And Gay marriage? It was all of 5 minutes ago that Obama, Hillary and most Democrats were against Gay Marriage. Was Obama an "extremist" in 2008?

Now you are talking people about as extreme as Christie...yes, in 2008 Obama and Hillary were about as extreme as Christie on gay marriage. Who knows what 2018 will hold for Christie...scares you doesn't it...

socal2 says

So I guess you can continue to believe that Republicans are uniquely extreme and out of the mainstream because that is what our idiot boxes and DNC tells us to believe 24/7 - but it doesn't mean it is the truth.

Hey, hey, hey now...let's not paint every registered Republican with the same brush. You are right, "Republicans" are not "uniquely extreme and out of the mainstream", pre se. It is really that they have let the thought and policy leadership for their party be written by the stark-raving, wrist-biting, mad extreme elements of the party. Once the RINOs realize that they are going to have as much luck getting their party back, as would someone politely asking for their cell phone back after they let a screaming, poo-flinging, orangutan hold it. Even in the chance they get it back it is going to be covered in shit and damaged beyond repair.

Yes, once all the RINOs have bailed in frustration, then the Republican party will truly be an exclusive home for the "uniquely extreme and out of the mainstream."

leo707 says

Ohhh...Really???? Please post a citation where Romney and/or Bush were
once pro-life, and gave money to Planned Parenthood. I would be extremely
interested in seeing that. Also, it would be great if you could cite quotes
where they were saying that being gay is not a "sin" and gays were born that
way.

I am simply pointing out that most Republicans (and our Presidential nominees) are pro-life and believe in traditional marriage but are not spending all of their time like the girls in the Democrat party running on these issues while they ignore what I believe are much more important issues like the economy.

Again, I am just calling out the so called fiscal conservatives who vote against their economic interests by voting for Democrats who fall for Democrat's propaganda and demonization of Republicans on social issues.

Heck dude - if aborting babies through the 3rd trimester or forcing everyone to accept gay marriage are your #1 issues in life - the Democrats are your party.