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Where in the article does it talk about why Africa was left behind. I missed it.

And when the Europeans discovered Central and South America (the randy Spaniards) they repeated the excercise.

I like the parts where Scientist find Neanderthal DNA in modern humans in regions of France, the fact there are actually people that look just like a Neanderthal wax figure in the Museum of natural History.

And still to this day, Scientist are looking for the missing link, and wonder what happened the Neanderthals.

I think that would be like asking what happened to the "Goldberg's" from Des Moines Iowa.

They were probably a close knit, and possibly inbred human clan of ugly ass people. Who were also taller, stronger and could have been dumber. But the other clans probably recognized what an asset having one of the Goldberg married into their Clan would be.

I think they were all humans make no mistake.
I believe the modern human physique came out of Africa, where a slender build was crucial for living in a hot Sahara or sweltering savannah climates. The more stout and husky built humans we call Neanderthals, came from Europe where they were needed to survive the harsh cold winters.

Who absconded with who, when these two clans met, is the mystery. Did the neanderthals, abduct the more sleek Africans, if so what purpose did they see in them other than beauty perhaps. The Neanderthals could have been the first enamored stalkers, and kidnapped the Humans from the south as they encountered them. Or it could be the Neandertals recognized the Southies as more advanced, and wanted to smarten up their clan.

Or was it the southies kidnapping the Northern folks to add that extra size and strength to their gene pool?

Don't forget humans are still animals, and they didn't have journals to inform them of proper existential behavior and the difference between right and wrong.

Animals will do what ever it takes to not only pass their genes on to the next generation, but will find the best suited partner to pass those genes along to.

There's no reason to expect these two vastly different clans of humans didn't see each other the same way. Even if they were mortal enemies at first sight of each other.

Why was Africa left behind? Because housing got too damned expensive, that's why!

(that and neanderthals women were easy)

CaptainShuddup says

I believe the modern human physique came out of Africa, where a slender build was crucial for living in a hot Sahara or sweltering savannah climates.

You believe wrong. Most of the places where early remains have been found are in the east africa plateau which is high enough elevation that temps don't get all that hot. If I remember right the Olduvai Gorge is about 5000 ft and temps are in the 70's and 80's year round. The recent finds in Ababa, Ethiopia, were at 7000 ft and even cooler temps. A lot of Africa is highlands and not sweltering hot. I volunteered at a mission for 4 weeks in the uplands of SW Uganda on the Rwanda/DRC border 13 years ago and needed a light jacket many nights. Gorgeous country, people were really great. Working on going back next year with some time to backpack around Tanzania and Kenya rather than just going in and out.

bob2356 says

Where in the article does it talk about why Africa was left behind. I missed it.

the latest theory is that Africa was left behind in terms of progress because Africans don't have Neanderthal genes in them. before this discovery, Neanderthal was considered dumber than human at the time, now they are considered smarter and their genes are responsible for the technological advancements outside of Africa.

New Renter says

(that and neanderthals women were easy)

i think it's the other way around: Neanderthal men raped human women but back in the days as long as the female was still alive it was considered consensual sex.

Mark D says

Why Africa Was Left Behind

LOL, the modern day version of the draft riots, part 57?

Mark D says

New Renter says

(that and neanderthals women were easy)

i think it's the other way around: Neanderthal men raped human women but back in the days as long as the female was still alive it was considered consensual sex.

Well if that were the case why didn't Neanderthal genes migrate INTO Africa? Was the mojo of the Neanderthal men so powerful it seduced the Cro Magnons into travelling thousands of miles into the cold north just for the opportunity to be clubbed over the head and dragged off to a cave?

New Renter says

Well if that were the case why didn't Neanderthal genes migrate INTO Africa?

despite the cold, the Middle East, Europe and Asia are much better places to live compared to Africa for several reasons. the lands are more fertile, there are less predator animals and there plenty of smaller animals that can be domesticated.

domesticated animals played a major role in the agriculture revolution, the starting point of any early civilizations, because they provided farm labor. out of all animals ever domesticated, only a few came from Africa:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_domesticated_animals

it's no surprised that these people never wanted to come back to Africa.

to survive in Africa, people needed to be born strong (to hunt and fight off predator animals) and resistant to diseases (i.e Malaria) so they became less intelligent because it is very rare to have gene mutations that are strong, resilient and intelligent all at the same time. this is why most technological advancements happened outside of Africa. this effect was magnified when the Neanderthal genes were combined with non-Africans as the Neanderthals cranial capacity was 1600 cc, well over the average for modern day human.

one of the most credible proofs lies in the difference in IQ between African Americans (81) and the Eskimo (91). one group lives in the middle of civilization, gets free health care, free education, free food. the other is hunters and gatherers living in the middle of nowhere. if social and economic factors are such dominant factors, why didn't African Americans score higher?

Mark D says

one group lives in the middle of civilization, gets free health care, free education, free food

what planet do you live on???

American socialism 1965-now is nothing like postwar eurosocialism, where such a description might obtain.

US 'war on poverty' socialism basically paid people to procreate as much as they wanted. The more the merrier. Then dumps them in shitty neighborhoods, shitty schools, and shitty employment prospects as we offshored our shitty jobs to shitty third-world developing countries. Throw in a shitload of institutional racism from shitheads like you, too!

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/MANEMP

Amazing how often racists are so detached from reality.

"Free education". Worth every penny, LOL.

I do think a thesis that life-threateningly cold weather is important to develop stronger familial and community -- societal -- infrastructure is interesting.

You've got to have your shit together to survive a nordic winter. Alaskan, too!

Bellingham Bill says

Mark D says

one group lives in the middle of civilization, gets free health care, free education, free food

what planet do you live on???

American socialism 1965-now is nothing like postwar eurosocialism, where such a description might obtain.

US 'war on poverty' socialism basically paid people to procreate as much as they wanted. The more the merrier. Then dumps them in shitty neighborhoods, shitty schools, and shitty employment prospects as we offshored our shitty jobs to shitty third-world developing countries. Throw in a shitload of institutional racism from shitheads like you, too!

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/MANEMP

Amazing how often racists are so detached from reality.

"Free education". Worth every penny, LOL.

you still haven't explained why Eskimo IQ is significantly higher than that of black Americans. what kind of education, healthcare and welfare do the Eskimo have? a crappy education in a first world country is still much better than no education.

moreover, if you look at the list of countries with the lowest IQs in the world, you'll see that ALL of them are near the equator and in Africa where Malaria is rampant. this is consistent with my theory and the latest theory with the Neanderthal genes. equatorial climates are already rough enough on farming. when combined with infertile lands and the high number of predator animals in most of Africa, it dramatically slows down human progress.

http://www.statisticbrain.com/countries-with-the-highest-lowest-average-iq/

the difference IQ between 85 and 100 huge. think of 15% compound interest over tens of thousand of years. even though OOA people didn't instantly get to 100 point IQ the moment they stepped out of Africa, the difference is an exponential function this is why Africa is left so far behind.

i agree that it SLIGHTLY requires more intelligence to survive colder weather, but i don't think it's primary factor in determining intelligence if that is what you imply (or else the Eskimo and Northern European countries would have scored the highest).

so far i have provided facts and evidence that support my theory and you 've got nothing but red herring, labels and name callings.

Mark D says

the latest theory is that Africa was left behind in terms of progress because Africans don't have Neanderthal genes in them. before this discovery, Neanderthal was considered dumber than human at the time, now they are considered smarter and their genes are responsible for the technological advancements outside of Africa.

Did we read the same article?

Did we read the same article?

this was written by pbs.org, a politically correct organization so they will never come out and make the conclusion i have made. but if you have been reading the news (especially non mainstream news), you would have known that many scientists are claiming that the Neanderthal genes are responsible for technological advances made outside of Africa.

the article/video only provided facts of the new discovery, but the subject line is my own interpenetration, one that happens to agree with many scientists'.

Mark D says

moreover, if you look at the list of countries with the lowest IQs in the world, you'll see that ALL of them are near the equator and in Africa where Malaria is rampant. this is consistent with my theory and the latest theory with the Neanderthal genes. equatorial climates are already rough enough on farming. when combined with infertile lands and the high number of predator animals in most of Africa, it dramatically slows down human progress

You missed the big factor The highest IQ's are in places for food could be stored (pre modern refrigeration). It's pretty much impossible to store food in an equatorial climate. The ability to store food means you have the ability to stockpile food and pursue activities like science instead of having to spend every day in pursuit of that day's meal. Plus you can specialize society into food producers and people with other skills rather than every person fully consumed in searching for food.

bob2356 says

You missed the big factor The highest IQ's are in places for food could be stored (pre modern refrigeration). It's pretty much impossible to store food in an equatorial climate. The ability to store food means you have the ability to stockpile food and pursue activities like science instead of having to spend every day in pursuit of that day's meal. Plus you can specialize society into food producers and people with other skills rather than every person fully consumed in searching for food.

that is a good point. cold weather will allow for better storage of food. although it doesn't explain why one group is more innately intelligent than the other.

Mark D says

the article/video only provided facts of the new discovery, but the subject line is my own interpenetration, one that happens to agree with many scientists'.

Ok, so we were supposed to know the content of what you had read in non mainstream media and the fact you were interpreting it for us. I'm not that good. Maybe next time you should include some of those not mainstream media articles. I like to draw my own conclusions.

Mark D says

that is a good point. cold weather will allow for better storage of food

Not just cold weather. Dry weather works well also. Grain doesn't rot. A lot of science came out of the middle east. The downside to a dry climate is being vulnerable to starvation in multi year droughts.

bob2356 says

Maybe next time you should include some of those not mainstream media articles. I like to draw my own conclusions.

i just gave you the biggest evidence anyone could have given you about their superior intelligence: their cranial capacity is 1600cc compared to 1400cc of the modern day human.

generally for the same species, the bigger the brain size the smarter the individual. no one is preventing you from drawing your own conclusions. i simply posted mine. i thought it was obvious that the title came from me and not the author.

higher cranial capacity is consistent with higher IQ:

http://abc102.wordpress.com/2011/02/17/brain-size-and-correlates-with-iq/

"As for cranial capacity differences between regional populations, Beals, et al. (1984) found an average Asian, European, and African cranial capacity of, respectively, 1380, 1362 (sd = 35), and 1276 (sd =85) (N= 20,000); they attributed the selection to cold weather adaptation. (See: Smith and Beals (1990) for population means and standard deviations.) Rushton (2005) summarizes previous global findings: East Asians 1,364, Europeans 1,347, S.Africans
1,267. (See also: Rushton, 1990). Based on a recent study of 699 Nigerians of different ethnicities, Odokuma, et al. (2010) found a mean cranial volume of 1271."

So what? Neanderthals had a much larger brain size than Homo sapiens. I suggest you look up the concept of confidence interval, specifically the 95% confidence interval, before you make any more unjustified statements. Hint: the differences you quoted from Beals are NOT statistically significant at the 5% level.

Mark D says

Why Africa Was Left Behind

And queueing racist remark from zzyzzx in 5, 4, 3, 2, ...

Lam says

Neanderthals had a much larger brain size than Homo sapiens.

you completely missed the point. i suggest you pick up an book on Human Anthropology 101 and start reading before embarrassing yourself further. for the same species, especially in human, the larger the brain, the higher the intelligence. this observation has been consistent in every fossil records ever existed. if the Neanderthals were able to mate with human, they are of same species (by definition). you should look that up as well as you clearly think their larger brain size can't be compared to that of human because they are of a different species (such as whales).

I suggest you look up the concept of confidence interval, specifically the 95% confidence interval, before you make any more . Hint: the differences you quoted from Beals are NOT statistically significant at the 5% level

next time you disagree with someone, why don't you state exactly what it is that you disagree with then state WHY. what's the point of wild-holding the WHY and then wrapping it in a "Hint"? to make you look clever? it actually has the opposite effect.

back to topic, show me ONE SINGLE study with more reliable data that contradicts the above pattern in brain sizes (Asians > Whites > Blacks)?

you can't because there isn't one. there are several other studies which supports what i quoted, however. although i doubt you would be familiar with them or else you wouldn't have thrown out irrelevant, elementary terms like "confidence interval."