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Rand Paul's got it locked.


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2014 Mar 9, 3:47am   12,822 views  60 comments

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In a straw poll, conservatives pick this guy as GOP nominee with 30% of the vote, that's 19% more than the second pick. His father was roundly snubbed in 2008 in a shameful display by republican leaders, candidates, and media (especially Fox News). The son has less political baggage, but less pure libertarian ideals. I'd still take him over Hillary, tho. She's as establishment as is possible to be.
What I think we are seeing is this: the old guard at the GOP is realizing that their methods are never going to work. They need a reformer to even have a chance, even if that's someone who is outside the system. They can't shout this guy down this time.
Hillary will be running on a platform of 8 years of terrible economy, record deficits, amazing debt accruation, BENGHAZI OMG!, and dictatorial abuse of presidential powers that has given Obama one of the worst ratings in recent history. She will have to spend her time distancing herself from an administration she was a part of.
While Rand is going to have a platform for his new message. If he's who he seems to be, we might have a new Teddy Roosevelt on our hands, willing to tilt against the entrenched windmills that are grinding our people to dust. History repeats itself, and we could use an upward swing to the cycle.

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2   Blurtman   2014 Mar 9, 5:00am  

Hillary offers cake to the FSA. Rand tells them to pull themselves up. Hillary in a landslide.

3   curious2   2014 Mar 9, 8:56am  

Blurtman says

FSA

Free Syrian Army? I didn't realize they were a landslide voting bloc in the U.S.

Anyway Rand Paul does appear less bad than most Republican candidates, and he seems smarter than most of them. Among other things, he seems to recognize that Republicans can't win by attacking a majority of American voters and their families. In recent years, the GOP has carried a majority of white "Christian" churchgoers, but the franchise includes many more people than that, which is why Republicans have lost the popular vote in five of the last six Presidential elections.

4   indigenous   2014 Mar 9, 9:24am  

Oh Hell yes, it is time and the very last chance to put someone in who is NOT insane

5   lostand confused   2014 Mar 9, 10:42am  

Rand Paul is one of the few politicians officially opposed to the NSA. but then so was Obama....

6   indigenous   2014 Mar 9, 10:45am  

lostand confused says

Rand Paul is one of the few politicians officially opposed to the NSA. but then so was Obama....

True but Paul is grounded, look at the background he comes from as opposed to the background of the current and previous president, it is night and day.

Are the American people grounded enough to see that?

7   FortWayne   2014 Mar 9, 10:55am  

I'd actually vote for Hillary over Rand Paul. He is too novice, we already got a rookie in the white house... and it's a mess. What we need is someone with experience.

His dad is a better choice, an elderly statesman with wisdom and years of experience.

8   indigenous   2014 Mar 9, 11:05am  

FortWayne says

I'd actually vote for Hillary over Rand Paul.

That is fucked up.

9   FortWayne   2014 Mar 9, 11:18am  

indigenous says

FortWayne says

I'd actually vote for Hillary over Rand Paul.

That is fucked up.

Would you vote a just out of college to be the General of the Armies?

10   spydah_hh   2014 Mar 9, 11:56am  

FortWayne says

indigenous says

FortWayne says

I'd actually vote for Hillary over Rand Paul.

That is fucked up.

Would you vote a just out of college to be the General of the Armies?

Just exactly what are you expecting from Hiliary?

Also lets not compare Obama and Paul.

11   indigenous   2014 Mar 9, 12:31pm  

FortWayne says

Would you vote a just out of college to be the General of the Armies?

Convention favors a governor over a senator. But Hillary has not been a governor. You might say yeah but she was married to one, and what did she learn from her husband? White Water or Bill's 80 million dollar payday or who her new inlaws are? not to mention Benghazi...

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/05/its-not-about-reelection-bill-clintons-80-million-payday.html

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3022224/posts

You put experience above principles, that is illogical.

Thomas Jefferson was 33 when he wrote the Declaration of Independence.

Paul is a Dr his dad was a Dr and has consistently held to principles.

The truth is that this country is cooked the only question is will it be a dystopian state or mad max?

To snatch victory from the jaws of defeat would require tackling the debt, mainly the entitlements. And quickly as the real down turn will be in 2030.

There is no way in fucking hell that Hillary Clinton would do anything other than more of the same only worse.

Or you can take a chance on inexperience...

Rand may have more traction with people who are sick to death of the same old crap, all the while circling the drain at an ever faster speed.

12   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2014 Mar 9, 1:13pm  

God willing, Rand Paul will be the Republican nominee.

Some one who can actually construct a coherent argument as to why Hillary(like Obama) is woefully unprepared to be POTUS is what the Republicans, and the US, need.

And anyway, I see Rand appealing to independents(even more so than Christie) which the Republicans absolutely have to have to win the White House.

13   indigenous   2014 Mar 9, 1:38pm  

Call it Crazy says

Second, anyone who thinks that voting will change the direction this country is heading (down the rat hole) needs to schedule their Obamacare Lobotomy TOMORROW!!!!

You are right, what is the alternative?

14   bob2356   2014 Mar 9, 2:00pm  

FortWayne says

Would you vote a just out of college to be the General of the Armies?

Rand Paul graduated Baylor in 1983. This is 2014. The man is 51 years old. When does just out of college end for you?

15   Blurtman   2014 Mar 9, 2:13pm  

Got to ditch that squirrel toupee, though.

16   indigenous   2014 Mar 9, 2:16pm  

Blurtman says

Got to ditch that squirrel toupee, though.

Can't it is a thing in Kentucky

17   bob2356   2014 Mar 9, 2:32pm  

dodgerfanjohn says

, I see Rand appealing to independents(even more so than Christie) which the Republicans absolutely have to have to win the White House.

Why is that? Christie is a 2 term republican governor in a heavily democratic state. He must have a lot of appeal to independents.

Rand Paul is going to make things very interesting for republicans. He is very committed to civil liberties, is anti war, and wants to cut homeland security and the military budget. That's going to drive the neocons and guns & god crowd crazy. They pull a lot of weight in nominations. Not to mention letting his opponents label him as soft on terrorism and security. He's anti war on drugs. He's pro corporations to an almost scary degree.

I actually find many of his positions pretty close to what most independents and centrist party faithful claim they want. Which means that getting the nomination is going to be almost impossible for him. The GOP has proven time and time again they would rather lose the election than nominate someone who wasn't ideologically pure enough.

I don't find where Hillary has any really clear positions. She seems to give a mealy mouth highly variable version of what she believes in catered to whatever group she is speaking to at the time.

18   Shaman   2014 Mar 9, 3:03pm  

Those are good points bob, but I suspect the Republican Party might be tired of being losers and willing to sacrifice a few sacred cows to put a man in the White House. Also, public sentiment is very pro-reformer right now, and will only be more so in 2016 after Obama is finished fucking over the nation. Hillary will be left holding the enema kit and trying to say she had nothing to do with it. GOP would like to nominate another Mitt, but won't take the chance of losing again (which is certain if they pick another vulture capitalist) so they will grudgingly accept Paul. I'm hoping he's the reformer for America that the new pope is for Catholicism.

19   Y   2014 Mar 9, 3:29pm  

Let's avoid the mistakes of the clinton years and wait long enough till he can't get it up..
bob2356 says

FortWayne says

Would you vote a just out of college to be the General of the Armies?

Rand Paul graduated Baylor in 1983. This is 2014. The man is 51 years old. When does just out of college end for you?

20   Vicente   2014 Mar 9, 3:49pm  

CPAC voting for Rand Paul just shows how wingnuts double down on the crazy.

Perhaps he could dig up Ayn Rand's corpse for a showpiece, that'd put frosting on the cake.

21   indigenous   2014 Mar 9, 3:56pm  

Vicente says

CPAC voting for Rand Paul just shows how wingnuts double down on the crazy.

Perhaps he could dig up Ayn Rand's corpse for a showpiece, that'd put frosting on the cake.

You're right it has gone so well with the last 2

22   HydroCabron   2014 Mar 9, 4:12pm  

O Aqua Buddha, show us the light!

23   hrhjuliet   2014 Mar 9, 6:25pm  

I'd rather see Ron run again. Why are they allowing his son to get so far? It worries me a bit in my gut. The republican party squashed Ron Paul, in a very deliberate display of eating their own. So why are the backing this young man? The republicans must feel they have him under control in a way they didn't have Ron, and that in itself is sending my instincts off.

24   hrhjuliet   2014 Mar 9, 7:32pm  

Rand Paul is not a libertarian, banning abortions in all circumstances is not a libertarian approach, neither is banning gay marriage or banning unions. Libertarian's want less government control on personal choice. Should abortions, gay marriage or unions be funded with tax payer money? Of course not. I am not for abortions, nor would I even consider one myself under normal circumstances, but in the case of rape I'd be lieing if I said I would know what I'd do. It should be my choice, not the governments. I have no desire to marry a woman, do I think it's the government's job to ban gay marriage? Heck no. If I want to join a union that should also be my right. I'm waiting for the candidate who wants to preserve our liberties, as defined in the constitution. I want a candidate who thinks like Ron Paul on foreign policy, education, and privacy and like Ralph Nader on social liberties, the environment and energy. They both have a healthy stance on corporations and the federal reserve. I feel a lot of us feel underrepresented. Having to choose from only two parties is beyond ridiculous. How many people really fall neatly into the views of either party? The two party system is a huge part of the problem.

25   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2014 Mar 9, 11:02pm  

Red herring. I've stated this before in the past...at the federal level, a Republican president has almost zero ability to make meaningful changes to abortion law. Even if Ginsberg kicked the bucket during the term, it's unlikely the Supreme Court would take up such an issue. And even if it did, all that would happen is it would become a states rights issue, where almost every state would allow first and second trimester abortions and many would keep things as they are now.

Typical Democrat tactics...keep fighting wars that have already been won in order to preserve voting blocs...civil rights, equal pay for women, etc....

26   Blurtman   2014 Mar 10, 12:44am  

It was consensual.

27   finehoe   2014 Mar 10, 1:37am  

Quigley says

If he's who he seems to be, we might have a new Teddy Roosevelt on our hands,
willing to tilt against the entrenched windmills that are grinding our people to dust.

Unlikely. His biggest campaign contibutor is the Club for Growth, which is dominated by Wall Street financiers and executives.

28   hrhjuliet   2014 Mar 10, 1:39am  

I'm not worried he will overturn Roe vs. Wade, it's next to impossible, nor am I Democrat, nor am I for abortions. I am concerned with Rand Paul's positions on civil liberties. We should always be concerned with any candidate who is ready to trample personal liberties based on his personal and narrow minded opinions. It's not about abortion in all circumstances, banning gay marriage and banning unions, it's about him being big government and fighting to ban liberty. Its not about whether you agree with with institution of gay marriage, it's about how much power do you believe our representatives should have to control our lives.

I hate alcohol and the only way you'd get it down my throat is by force, do I think it should be legal? Yes, because I believe in liberty. It's not about my personal belief about alcohol, it's about honoring the power of the Constitution, the ideals of a Democratic Republic and civil liberty. If someone drives after drinking alcohol they are a criminal, because they have endangered other people's civil liberties, and potentially the right of the other citizen to survive.

Sex should never be an issue the government deals in, unless it's not mutually consented, then it's a crime, because it took away someone's liberty and potentially even their life.

A person should have the right to join a union and form one, unless that union becomes violent and therefore takes someone's liberty or right to live.

The line is clear, just because you don't like it is never a reason to deny another their civil liberties under the constitution. Abortion unfortunately is a very devisive issue because of the question of when does life begin. Some people believe sperm is life, and clearly a future citizen, so masturbation is taking away another's right to life. Letting sperm die is even in the bible as wrong, the idea of abortion being wrong is not in the bible. I never trust someone in power who wants to control civil liberties or religion. It's not their job. They are a civil servant and representative, and that is their role, they are not parent, pastor or rabbi, so they should stick to their job, they have plenty to do that is in their job description. As citizens we should ask ourselves if we believe in the ideals of a democratic republic, or if we think a totalitarian government, plutocracy or Russian communism is a better way to go. I believe in the democratic republic model myself.

29   hrhjuliet   2014 Mar 10, 2:29am  

Thank you. I'll do my best. I've never been a good writer. That's why I kept to science, dance and math. I do tend to ramble on, sorry about that. I get a little excited sometimes. I can't talk about anything like this in my day to day life, so I just pour it out.

30   Shaman   2014 Mar 10, 2:52am  

I could give two poops about your abortion issue or gay marriage or any of that. They are RED HERRINGS, meant to distract people from the real issues which are economic, and impassion them on subjects which will always be debatable between differing ideologies.
Meanwhile, the wealthy elite continue to steal all power from the people using economic and political tools. Make us poor by exporting not goods but jobs. Put us on the wrong side of the law if we object to being manhandled, anally raped by police, and our rights stolen. If they get the trifecta and make guns illegal, it'll be concentration camps within ten years.

31   hrhjuliet   2014 Mar 10, 2:53am  

No, I'm just not around people who believe that politics are an okay topic of discussion. I also teach science and ballet to teens and kids most of my day, and naturally I can't talk about economics or politics with them.

I also respect the varied intelligent opinions here. It keeps my mind from going into atrophy. I am a terrible writer, but this is the medium of Pat.net and so I do my best.

32   hrhjuliet   2014 Mar 10, 3:02am  

Quigley says

I could give two poops about your abortion issue or gay marriage or any of that. They are RED HERRINGS, meant to distract people from the real issues which are economic, and impassion them on subjects which will always be debatable between differing ideologies.

Meanwhile, the wealthy elite continue to steal all power from the people using economic and political tools. Make us poor by exporting not goods but jobs. Put us on the wrong side of the law if we object to being manhandled, anally raped by police, and our rights stolen. If they get the trifecta and make guns illegal, it'll be concentration camps within ten years.

I agree with you.

Like I said, it's not the issues themselves, but the willingness to take the liberties away, or worse ban them. Politicians should stay out of civil liberties altogether. I just don't trust candidates that would be WILLING to take away civil liberties, red herrings or not. I see this as leading towards the mentality that brings your last paragraph's prediction to life.

33   bob2356   2014 Mar 10, 3:06am  

hrhjuliet says

I am concerned with Rand Paul's positions on civil liberties

Rand Paul is against DHS, against the Patriot act, supports the 4th amendment, wants to roll back federal laws to avoid overciminalizing, wants NSA requests in open court, is against drones, is against warrentless searches, wants to help immigrants and have them treated with respect, wants to roll back the war on drugs, wants gay marriage and abortion to be strictly states issues. I would say he is the best candidate by far on civil liberties in either party.

My reservations with Rand Paul lay in his very close relationships with corporations.

34   hrhjuliet   2014 Mar 10, 3:15am  

bob2356 says

hrhjuliet says

I am concerned with Rand Paul's positions on civil liberties

Rand Paul is against DHS, against the Patriot act, supports the 4th amendment, wants to roll back federal laws to avoid overciminalizing, wants NSA requests in open court, is against drones, is against warrentless searches, wants to help immigrants and have them treated with respect, wants to roll back the war on drugs, wants gay marriage and abortion to be strictly states issues. I would say he is the best candidate by far on civil liberties in either party.

My reservations with Rand Paul lay in his very close relationships with corporations.

You mentioned all the things I like about him, but I still don't trust his attempts to ban civil liberties or his stand on the environment. He may be the best the two parties have to offer right now, but the two party system is part of the problem. I want more choices and I think most people do too.

35   Shaman   2014 Mar 10, 3:30am  

More choices would be nice. Does Ross Perot have a son? :P

36   indigenous   2014 Mar 10, 3:37am  

Who cares about the other crap, how can you consider the others?

37   bob2356   2014 Mar 10, 3:40am  

hrhjuliet says

I still don't trust his attempts to ban civil liberties

What civil liberties are you talking about. He has said he wants abortion and gay marriage to be states issues. As they should be. How is that a ban? His stand on abortion will probably cost him the Iowa primary which is dominated by rabid anti abortionists.

I'm not really pro Rand, but his positions are clear and I can respect that.

38   hrhjuliet   2014 Mar 10, 3:59am  

No, if that was the case I would agree with him. He attempted to BAN them and be part of legislation to do so. His voting record and his stand on the issues is available online. There are so many things I like about this guy, and I wish that his only position would have been a "stay out of it stance" and leave it to the States, I would have trusted him if that had been the case.

I want him to be the candidate I could get behind, but because of his attempts to ban liberties and his ignorance on the environment and scientific matters, I can't. It's more than likely he will get my vote looking at the options, but I really wanted to have a candidate that I could be enthusiastic about, but instead it's reluctant support. Support just the same, but I still have this fantasy some Ron Paul, Dali lama, Ralph Nader hybrid will appear and unite all the people who feel poorly represented by both parties. I know, I know, as likely as spotting a sparkly unicorn, but I can hope right? We never know what the future will bring.

39   finehoe   2014 Mar 10, 4:00am  

Quigley says

Meanwhile, the wealthy elite continue to steal all power from the people using economic and political tools. Make us poor by exporting not goods but jobs.

And since Rind Paul is financed by Wall Street, what makes you think he'll do anything to counteract this?

40   clambo   2014 Mar 10, 4:09am  

You guys who would vote for a lying carpetbagging hag like Hillary almost scare me. Are you on powerful meds, or just pot and alchohol?

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