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They buy vintage clothes but loath old people.

The young are becoming their own grandpa.

Like a hormonal imbalance or something. A medical pandemic if you will.

The old saying: "If you are young and not liberal, then you have no heart; but if you are old and not conservative, then you have no brain" Seems apt

But a certain number never graduate to the later at an alarmingly increasing number.

Think of country as a wagon . Good economy is moving wagon uphill. There are people who pull the wagon and others who sit and enjoy the wagon.

intention is that few people will be in wagon and rest will be pulling. when they start serving icecream and lots of goodies to the person in wagon for free, more people want to sit in the wagon. Why would a lazy young person want to work when he can get it for free.

when ~ 40 percent of people are in the wagon, economy is stand still. little more and it demotivates other 50% from working so economy crashes. Socialism doesn't work. once you don't reward risk and hard work no one will do it. unlike other countries, most people in US have guns and weapons, will be a huge disaster.

By the 2016 voting season, the Liberals will have the Young and the Clueless convinced that Obama was a Republican president, and it is important that they get out and vote to defeat them.

All they need is Colbert and Stewart to make a funny to that affect, and that will be enough.

CaptainShuddup says

All they need is Colbert and Stewart to make a funny to that affect, and that will be enough.

They have become increasingly partisan lately.

Lately?
With out them Palin would have been a one term and Romney would be President now.

indigenous says

The old saying: "If you are young and not liberal, then you have no heart; but if you are old and not conservative, then you have no brain" Seems apt

But a certain number never graduate to the later at an alarmingly increasing number.

Logically, if you are conservative you have no heart. Seems apt.

Just register Independent to keep them all guessing where you stand.

indigenous says

The old saying: "If you are young and not liberal, then you have no heart; but if you are old and not conservative, then you have no brain" Seems apt

But a certain number never graduate to the later at an alarmingly increasing number.

Just because a saying is old, does not make it correct.

The correct saying is
Regardless of age, if you are not liberal than you have no heart; if you are conservative, you have no brain.

I'll take the mountains of evidence showing that liberals are far more intelligent than conservatives over "an old saying".

Switching from liberalism to conservatism is not a "graduation to a better philosophy"; it's hypocrisy motivated by greed and wealth acquisition.

sbh says

How 'bout we just outlaw incorporation? Talk about personal responsibility.

Does that mean we ban the labor unions? They are also incorporated. Does that mean we ban all levels of government? They are incorporated too. "Incorporation" just means treating an entity as if it were a person under the law.

Dan8267 says

Switching from liberalism to conservatism is not a "graduation to a better philosophy"; it's hypocrisy motivated by greed and wealth acquisition.

Lets see who started the wars over the past 100 years or so:

WWl Wilson Dem
WWll FDR Dem
Korean Truman Dem
Vietnam War Kennedy/LBJ Dem
Afghanistan Bush R (RINO)
Iraq Bush R (RINO)

I'm thinking the Dems have cost infinetly more than the Rs in this category

The 2 things that Jojo incessantly bemoans will break the country.

Social Security FDR Dem
Medicare LBJ Dem

I don't know what mountain of data you are referring to but these examples dwarf anything else I know of. Save Nixon taking us off of the gold standard, but his hand was Definitely forced by LBJ and the inflation caused by the Vietnam War.

This is not to say that the Rs are any example of conservatism especially in the case of Bush.

I would say the Dems are a good example of creating financial enslavement and human misery.

I don't give a fuck about the intentions as that is fodder for the road to hell.
What they have done is plain to see and to think what is done is not what is intended is brainless...

IF you choose to vote democrat, then God will allow you the benefits they receive. IF you vote republican you will get their benefits. This is an easy matrix folks.

Do you want to be rich or poor. Well, where has your voting gotten you all in life! I am very rich in monetary stuff, but I don't take any credit for it...It just came

sbh says

FDR started WWII? This is why you're the village idiot.

Although he vowed to keep the US out of Europe, but he provoked Germany and he provoked Japan into starting the war. He definitely declared war on Germany and Japan.

sbh says

Both unions and government could exist without being incorporated....kinda the way private courts wouldn't have to be incorporated. Gotta problem with the action of the union or the business or the municipality? Just sue the people who compose it. But then courts could sue courts. "Incorporation" just facilitates building a different set of laws than those that apply to humans. It's all about laying off risk and using other people's money, and then trying to give to the corporations the rights of persons without connecting those persons' money to the corporations. I'm sure you think the advent of incorporation is close to godlike in its wonderment. Don't you have a shrine in your house?

Unlike you, I don't build shrines at my own house. "Incorporation" applies the same set of laws that would apply to human to a non-human conceptual entity. That makes "union does this" and "government does that" have legal standing in law. I actually agree that treating such entities as separate legal entity instead of individual actions of the human beings acting in their names is a bit of an identity theft. The difference is that when dealing with privately owned or publicly traded corporations, the counterparties are willingly entering into transaction with what is essentially a shell game. Whereas when it comes to unions and governments, the identity theft is perpetuated by force of violence and threat thereof.

There's studies showing that Republicans donate much more money to charitable causes than Democrats do. Not sure the axiom is correct...
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/opinion/21kristof.html?_r=0

Dan8267 says

indigenous says

The old saying: "If you are young and not liberal, then you have no heart; but if you are old and not conservative, then you have no brain" Seems apt

But a certain number never graduate to the later at an alarmingly increasing number.

Just because a saying is old, does not make it correct.

The correct saying is

Regardless of age, if you are not liberal than you have no heart; if you are conservative, you have no brain.

I'll take the mountains of evidence showing that liberals are far more intelligent than conservatives over "an old saying".

Switching from liberalism to conservatism is not a "graduation to a better philosophy"; it's hypocrisy motivated by greed and wealth acquisition.

sbh says

This why you're the card-carrying village idiot.

Only the village idiot jumps right to ad hominem, as he cannot make any opposing arguments.

This is damning evidence...

indigenous says

I would say the Dems are a good example of creating financial enslavement and human misery.

I don't give a fuck about the intentions as that is fodder for the road to hell.

What they have done is plain to see and to think what is done is not what is intended is brainless...

This is why you are the card-carrying village grammar idiot.

sbh says

This why you're the card-carrying village idiot.

indigenous says

Lets see who started the wars over the past 100 years or so:

WWl Wilson Dem

WWll FDR Dem

Korean Truman Dem

Vietnam War Kennedy/LBJ Dem

Afghanistan Bush R (RINO)

Iraq Bush R (RINO)

Yours is a good post. It contains all the standard rhetorical dodges of the modern pseudo-libertarian.

Ignore wars loudly cheered by the entire Republican Party (Korea, Vietnam), or prolonged by them (Vietnam). Ignore one war started by them - Iraq I in 1991 (remember that?), Panama, Grenada, Lebanon - and then define one of the Republicans as a RINO.

No True Scotsman would have started Afghanistan and Iraq II. Why, I remember tons o' sensible conservatives who were stridently opposed to Bush's wars. (Well, I remember exactly zero of them, but who's counting?)

Then your post continues with

This is not to say that the Rs are any example of conservatism especially in the case of Bush

which preserves your street cred - plus ability to say "both left and right are pretty sad and mistaken" - while allowing you to continue to bash liberals because you are a standard issue Republican Party partisan masquerading as an above-it-all forward-thinking Rothbardo-Austrian-Amway-Shaklee-von-Mises new deep economic thinker for the new century.

What is it about the Internet - a government-created entity - that spawns so many of these people?

indigenous says

The old saying: "If you are young and not liberal, then you have no heart; but if you are old and not conservative, then you have no brain"

The older saying "Holy shit! Idiots have taken over this ship!" seems to apply better.

Plenty of young people who would have been comfortable with the Republican Party of 15 years ago will have nothing to do with what it has become.

Iosef V HydroCabron says

Ignore wars loudly cheered by the entire Republican Party (Korea, Vietnam), or prolonged by them (Vietnam). Ignore one war started by them - Iraq I in 1991 (remember that?), Panama, Grenada, Lebanon - and then define one of the Republicans as a RINO.

The basic premise is to look and ignore the chatter. The fact is the dems started the wars, fuck your conjecture.

Iosef V HydroCabron says

No True Scotsman would have started Afghanistan and Iraq II. Why, I remember tons o' sensible conservatives who were stridently opposed to Bush's wars. (Well, I remember exactly zero of them, but who's counting?)

That is conjecture. Have any background data or facts to add to your chatter?

Iosef V HydroCabron says

which preserves your street cred - plus ability to say "both left and right are pretty sad and mistaken" - while allowing you to continue to bash liberals because you are a standard issue Republican Party partisan masquerading as an above-it-all forward-thinking Rothbardo-Austrian-Amway-Shaklee-von-Mises new deep economic thinker for the new century.

I have been a registered Libertarian for 38 years. I merely point to the facts regarding the two parties.

Iosef V HydroCabron says

What is it about the Internet - a government-created entity - that spawns so many of these people?

Yea right Al Gore invented it, standard progressive rhetorical tropes.

What is interesting is how effective, Edward Bernays-Madison ave is at manufacturing complacent mutts like yourself.

Liberals are geneticly hypersensitive to feelings of guilt rooted from declarations of war too numerous to enumerate. You really cant blame them for feeble attempts at blameshifting..

SoftShell says

Liberals are geneticly hypersensitive to feelings of guilt rooted from declarations of war

whatever Wilson was, he wasn't a "liberal" -- he was a southern conservative Democrat, the kind of Dems that turned to the GOP when LBJ got the civil rights act passed (thanks to the moderate northern GOP element that existed last century).

The midwest has historically been very isolationist, while the Old South has been pro-military, gung-ho for all our nation's wars, even starting a few. "Now Watergate does not bother me. Does your conscience bother you?"

LBJ was certainly a liberal but he got railroaded into Vietnam from the right. Same thing with Truman and saving South Korea, which arguably was at least worth the investment of US blood (easy for me to say from 60 years out, but a unified Korea under the Pyongyang regime would probably not have moderated like the Hanoi regime, not that Vietnam is all that great a place, liberally speaking, still).

"It's silly talking about how many years we will have to spend in the jungles of Vietnam when we could pave the whole country and put parking stripes on it and still be home by Christmas." -- Reagan, 1965

LBJ had the decency to not run for reelection when our effort in Vietnam went to hell in 1968, even after sending 500,000+ troops there, causing rising popular resistance to the war at home as the body bags really started coming back in '68 -- 1,000+ a month during the peak of the fighting.

It wasn't the conservatives in this country marching in the streets against Bush's war in 2003 -- it was ANSWER and the progressives.

Conservatives want to memory-hole this by bringing up whatever crap they can.

Iosef V HydroCabron says

Plenty of young people who would have been comfortable with the Republican Party of 15 years ago

I actually voted for Tom Campbell for Senate in 2000. This was before I understood how utterly ridiculous the GOP had become.

(Living in Japan in the 1990s I more or less missed the mid-decade Gingrich shitshow and Cambpell seemed like a much better person than Feinstein)

Bellingham Bill says

whatever Wilson was, he wasn't a "liberal" -- he was a southern conservative Democrat, the kind of Dems that turned to the GOP when LBJ got the civil rights act passed (thanks to the moderate northern GOP element that existed last century).

Do you really want to hang your hat on that?

This guy brought us the 17th amendment, the Fed Reserve, and income tax. He was definitely a PROGRESSIVE, fucking period.

This asshole caused the most damage to the US of any president.

Bellingham Bill says

LBJ was certainly a liberal but he got railroaded into Vietnam from the right.

Any evidence?

SoftShell says

Liberals are geneticly hypersensitive to feelings of guilt

Keep thinking what you're thinking, Mr. Lysenko. Belief that acquired characteristics COULD be genetically transmitted (and an outright ban on mendelian theory research) kept Soviet research hopelessly backward well into the 70s.

Automan Empire says

SoftShell says

Liberals are geneticly hypersensitive to feelings of guilt

Keep thinking what you're thinking, Mr. Lysenko. Belief that acquired characteristics COULD be genetically transmitted (and an outright ban on mendelian theory research) kept Soviet research hopelessly backward well into the 70s.

Modern conservatives have embraced Soviet ideologies, because when it comes to choosing between a non-GOP president and a foreign leader, they ally with the foreign power.

Also, this helps them forget 50 years of savage red-baiting of anyone insufficiently anti-Communist, so they can pretend they would have opposed Korea and Vietnam.

TL;DR: They're ignorant.

As a member, I have come to the conclusion that the Republican Party, as currently designed, has only one purpose...and that is to be a bogeyman on all the social issues that drive people over the Democrat Party and its vision of a Centralized State managing all aspects of people's lives. Even when one or two top GOP leaders start to make sense (and when they do, confusion among pundits sets in as they try to attack plainspoken logic) the guy I call Old Uncle Republican gets wheeled out to make some absurd derogatory statement on a Non-White, Non-Male group.

I go so far as to wonder if the DNC has bought and paid for these guys to permeate the GOP so that there is no chance of us returning to a society of landowners and independent businessmen.

As far as hope for the future, Rand Paul comes closest to what I think a contemporary Republican should be. Focus on economics. Non-judgmental on mores. Libertarian in lawmaking. However, I also have this sense that the only candidate who could contend with Hillary in 2016 has to also be a woman, because it seems like America has already decided it must elect a woman because it's their turn. And I agree with that sentiment, women deserve to win the Presidency in 2016. The only question is can the GOP find a credible, intelligent, non-judgmental candidate to run.

Bellingham Bill says

Conservatives want to memory-hole this by bringing up whatever crap they can.

The arrogance of liberals !!

indigenous says

This asshole caused the most damage to the US of any president.

Having the private sector run the 4th branch of the government (aka the Fed) with only notional Congressional and Executive oversight would not have been a Progressive idea. The Fed was a shitty compromise, taking the Republican position and having it be the compromise between center-left (William Jennings Bryan) and center-right Democrats, just like ACA in our day, LOL.

A Progressive Republican Congress ratified the 16th Amendment before Wilson took office. As for making the Senate directly elected, that's more democratic but not really "Progressive", LOL.

Wilson did have a decent record supporting further trust-busting, anti child-labor laws, the FTC, etc. So he wasn't a neanderthal conservative like what we have today.

Back then the GOP was a pretty reasonable party, mostly, though they had their Roosevelt/Taft split that in it had the seeds of the modern conservative clownshow.

Yes, the best posting fuckups are from people posting about someone's intelligence, while bashing the english language in the process...ROTFLOL...

sbh says

SoftShell says

This is why you are the card-carrying village grammar idiot.

sbh says

This why you're the card-carrying village idiot.

Oh my. How powerful.

It's not "arrogant" to assert that the mistakes of the previous decade were entirely conservative misadventures in deregulation, deficit spending, offshoring, and militarism.

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?g=v5S

Care to rephrase?

How I Discovered My Hypersensitivity or Highly Sensitive Personality (HSP)
I first learned about the genetic nature of hypersensitivity by reading Scattered, by Gabor Maté, M.D., a physician and psychotherapist. “People with ADD are hypersensitive,” says Maté. “That is not a fault, it is how they were born. It is their inborn temperament.”

http://www.additudemag.com/adhd/article/8945.html

Automan Empire says

SoftShell says

Liberals are geneticly hypersensitive to feelings of guilt

Keep thinking what you're thinking, Mr. Lysenko. Belief that acquired characteristics COULD be genetically transmitted (and an outright ban on mendelian theory research) kept Soviet research hopelessly backward well into the 70s.

Maybe modern "Republicans", definitely not "Conservatives"...

Iosef V HydroCabron says

Modern conservatives have embraced Soviet ideologies, because when it comes to choosing between a non-GOP president and a foreign leader, they ally with the foreign power.

Bellingham Bill says

Having the private sector run the 4th branch of the government (aka the Fed) with only notional Congressional and Executive oversight would not have been a Progressive idea.

Sure it was. As usual you mutts refuse to admit that crony capitalism IS government. It was written by a Dem congressman. And it was signed by a Dem Prez. Nope it was Dem all the way.

Bellingham Bill says

A Progressive Republican Congress ratified the 16th Amendment before Wilson took office.

Wilson signed it. And thus began the centralizing of the government.

Bellingham Bill says

As for making the Senate directly elected, that's more democratic but not really "Progressive"

What is the diff?

Either way very damaging, it turned the tyranny of the democracy loose and was antipathetic to the very intent of the framers. Completely oppressive.

Bellingham Bill says

Wilson did have a decent record supporting further trust-busting, anti child-labor laws, the FTC,

Yea what a joke, antitrust is a complete myth. Monopolies DO NOT exist without government.

Child labor laws put more control of the family into the governments hands, meaning that the family could not choose to put the child to work. The little cameo that you mutts like to portray is taken out of context and is an anachronism, when the country was agrarian based kids worked on the farm other wise the family did not eat, in much more dangerous environments.

jazz music says

Yea what a joke, antitrust is a complete myth. Monopolies DO NOT exist without government.

So true. The only thing the Anti-trust law did was exempt the Federal Reserve, American Bar Assoc and American Medical Assoc from anti-trust.

indigenous says

mutts

mutts?

Mutts = ignorance of one's own ignorance (not to be confused with ignorance)

And the inevitble hubris that accompanies this disposition.

Sbh

You're fucked up, maybe see a Dr?

Dbh

Seriously you are projecting, i.e. you can't get a hard on, you are an idiot, and are indigent...