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SSRIs in pregnancy tied to autism, delays

By curious2 following x   2014 Apr 14, 8:21am 10,663 views   25 comments   watch   quote     share  

"Boys with autism were three times more likely to have been exposed to antidepressants known as SSRIs in the womb than typically developing children, according to new research.

The new study also found that boys whose mothers took SSRIs -- drugs including Celexa, Lexapro, Paxil, Prozac and Zoloft -- during pregnancy were also more likely to have developmental delays."


Previous research has also found SSRIs may cause birth defects. Contrary to false advertisements claiming SSRI drugs were "not habit forming," neonatal withdrawal syndrome includes convulsions. That's a lot of toxicity and money for a placebo, and we all pay the price with "no lifetime caps." As another commenter observed, SSRIs can also drive hospitalizations, the biggest revenue model of all. We had a chance to reform this monstrous system, but the will to do so got subverted, and now the chance is gone. "Thanks, Obamacare!"
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1 errc   2014 Apr 14, 8:35am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

You right wing nuts need to shut your sarah palin tea party pie holes, and get over it. Obama won. The old health insurance system sucked so bad that, even though ppaca is even worse, its better because its different. And the dems rammed it down our throats ; obama!

2 curious2   2014 Apr 14, 8:40am   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        

Poe's law: drug-addled Obamneycare boosters will think you really mean that.

4 HydroCabron   2014 Apr 15, 2:20am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

tatupu70 says

I'm not sure what your point is other than you hate PPACA...

Does one need another point in life?

1. Obama did it
2. I hate it
3. That settles it

5 curious2   2014 Apr 18, 1:14pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

I do delete useless sarcasm that doesn't add anything. Being curious, I am interested in learning and I see discussion as a way to learn. I am definitely uninterested in the sarcastic fools who aren't half as smart as they think they are, and who view Internet "discussions" as a place to fling their feces at each other.

Let me translate their posts:

YOUR SIDE BAD!!!!! UGH!!
NO, YOUR SIDE BAD!!!! UGH!!

I also get fed up with the holier than thou crap from both sides. In their boundless arrogance, Obamneycare boosters claim a moral high ground that they do not deserve, and they remind me of the Democrats destroying Viet Nam in order to save it, and conscripting everyone into that misguided crusade in the name of "fairness". Whether it's the self-styled Christian crusaders, or the equally misguided Obamneycare fundamentalists, they look increasingly similar to me, like the pigs and farmers in Animal Farm. So yes, when I see a pile of nothing but feces, I clean it away.

6 HydroCabron   2014 Apr 18, 1:38pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

curious2 says

I am interested in learning and I see discussion as a way to learn.

Thanks.

We needed the laugh.

8 curious2   2014 Apr 19, 6:15am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

New Renter says

Whats old is new again:

http://www.greeleytribune.com/news/4555252-113/mackessy-venom-snakes-cancer

Snake venom may have medicinal uses, and leeches certainly do, but SSRIs are a revenue maximizing cult disguised as science. It's an ongoing tragedy that so many sacrifice so much and suffer on the altar of the latest fad religion.

9 tatupu70   2014 Apr 19, 6:54am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

curious2 says

It's an ongoing tragedy that so many sacrifice so much and suffer on the altar of the latest fad religion.

So, is it your belief that Drs. are purposely prescribing medication that they know not only doesn't help, but actually harms their patients, in the name of hospital profits?

If so, that seems to be a much larger issue than PPACA

10 JH   2014 Apr 19, 7:07am   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        

curious2 says

We had a chance to reform this monstrous system, but the will to do so got subverted, and now the chance is gone. "Thanks, Obamacare!"

What exactly was the plan put forth by Republicans to keep expecting moms off SSRIs? I don't recall this issue in 2008 or 2012.

Blaming Obamacare for depression meds...this is a new one...

Blaming an incumbent for autism, however...this is old...

11 curious2   2014 Apr 19, 9:16am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

Sometimes I wonder if people are so caught up in their GO TEAM GO FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT dynamic that they lose the ability to read. Instead of positing strawmen, why not use quotations? I notice that the weakest ones have usually no data at all, no links to any sources other than their own behinds, from which they fling their feces at their screens. Instead of responding to spurious comments about things I never said, I will merely reiterate what I said before:

curious2 says

We had a chance to reform this monstrous system, but the will to do so got subverted, and now the chance is gone.

Obamneycare aggravated the existing system, exacerbating the pre-existing problems. Obviously it did not go back in time and initiate those pre-existing problems, so strawman arguments along that line are self-evidently nonsensical. As for the Republicans being also worse, I have said that repeatedly, but apparently it is impossible for certain partisans to acknowledge their own party made something worse; they reject any criticism as heresy, and insist on their own counter-factual belief system. That is a cult, not a platform.

12 JH   2014 Apr 19, 9:33am   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

curious2 says

Obamneycare aggravated the existing system, exacerbating the pre-existing problems.

Either completely universal or completely free market. Everything else (e.g., Obamacare) is a more convoluted version of the previous.

Either give us all a tax to pay into, cut out billing bullshit, and give us all access...OR...put it all up on Amazon, let us choose our doctors, hospitals, etc to the lowest bidder (and/or highest rating), and don't make fucking box of Kleenex cost $75.

Everything in between is bullshit Washington pols trying to get elected.

13 tatupu70   2014 Apr 19, 9:37am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

curious2 says

We had a chance to reform this monstrous system, but the will to do so got subverted, and now the chance is gone.

Why can't it be reformed again? It was clear that the Congressmen at the time were only going to allow small step change. Isn't it possible that another Congress might affect further change down the road?

14 tatupu70   2014 Apr 19, 9:39am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

curious2 says

Obamneycare aggravated the existing system, exacerbating the pre-existing problems.

How did Obamneycare make Drs. prescribing the wrong medication worse? Are you arguing that allowing more people to see Doctors is a bad thing?

15 curious2   2014 Apr 19, 10:33am   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        

tatupu70 says

How did Obamneycare make Drs. prescribing the wrong medication worse?

It increased the cost and perverse incentives, expanding the pre-existing problem.

tatupu70 says

Are you arguing that allowing more people to see Doctors is a bad thing?

If you spent more time reading, you might learn something. As for whether Obamacare allows people to see doctors, and if so which ones, and which medicines, you might want to read this.

tatupu70 says

It was clear that the Congressmen at the time were only going to allow small step change.

Both houses of Congress were controlled by Democrats, and the White House signed onto their plans rather than trying to change them. It was actually a huge step for the existing "stakeholders," i.e. the biggest players in the existing industry, arrogating unprecedented federal power as their tool to maximize revenues.

16 HydroCabron   2014 Apr 19, 11:12am   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

In that Oregon Medicaid study, depression rates dropped 30%.

That must be the statistically unsound component of the study.

17 Robert Sproul   2014 Apr 19, 11:45am   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        

Given this horrible news, that one of the most prescribed drug categories in America is so dangerous to unborn babies, maybe it is a perverse benefit that it also causes sexual dysfunction.
Well over 1/2 of those taking this medication report loss of libido or inability to achieve orgasm. (This is greater than the number reporting positive effect on their depression.)

18 Ceffer   2014 Apr 19, 2:03pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

Autistic kids aren't so bad. They are like human rolodexes that remember all your crap for you when you grow too old and senile to remember it yourself.

19 curious2   2014 Apr 19, 2:29pm   ↑ like (2)   ↑ dislike (2)     quote        

Iosef V HydroCabron says

In that Oregon Medicaid study, depression rates dropped....

by less than a third of what you claim, and it was a placebo effect:

"Those who are in denial about Medicaid’s poor physical outcomes point to the Oregon results on depression. 30 percent of uninsured patients at baseline screened positive for depression; relative to being uninsured, the authors estimate that Medicaid reduced depression diagnosis by 9 percent, with a p value of 0.02 (i.e., a 2 percent chance of statistical noise). “This is an astounding finding,” exclaimed Jonathan Gruber, the Oregon study co-author who is best known as the architect of Obamacare. “That is a huge improvement in mental health.”

There are a number of flaws in the way that the Oregon investigators measured depression; for a detailed look, go back to my comprehensive review of the results from last week. But here’s the kicker. In 2011, the authors noted that two-thirds of the improvement in patients’ “self-reported health” took place “about 1 month after [Medicaid] coverage was approved,” but before “any increase in health care utilization.” In other words, patients felt better once they knew they were on Medicaid, but before they had seen a doctor, or undergone a test, or filled out a prescription.

That is the classic definition of a placebo effect. And it’s hardly “astounding” to anyone with experience in clinical trial design."

The Oregon finding corroborates the many previous reports that the entire "benefit" of SSRIs can be attributed to a placebo effect, and even the placebo effect of being newly insured might wear off when people realize their Obamneycare insurance doesn't give them access to their doctors or their drugs. If the sanctimonious boosters of Obamneycare really cared about the poor even half as much as they claim, they'd give actual money instead, at lower cost and with greater benefit. But, in truth, they don't really care about the poor, or facts in general, they care only about being in the partisan chorus, chanting the cult mantra, which has been drilled into them by the bishops of PhRMA.

20 HydroCabron   2014 Apr 19, 3:26pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

All that ad hominem, demonization of your opponents, and "wake up, MSM/pharma zombies" talk hardly resembles the learning through discussion you claim to be interested in.

I'm not convinced SSRIs are worth much, but, just to be clear: any statistically significant correlation which violates your preconceptions is due to a placebo effect.

Do I have that right?

If so, why do you even bother arguing about anything with anyone? Why not just publish?

There are a number of flaws in the way the Oregon investigators measured depression.

Oh, Jesus Christ. As predicted, the depression results are cast into the part of the study deemed "flawed".

Cherry pick much?

Why, then are the parts of the study which support your conclusions not also suspect?

21 HydroCabron   2014 Apr 19, 3:38pm   ↑ like (1)   ↑ dislike (1)     quote        

Ceffer says

Autistic kids aren't so bad. They are like human rolodexes that remember all your crap for you when you grow too old and senile to remember it yourself.

It could be that some parents find autism desirable (secretly), and that the generation of autistic kids was therefore a placebo effect!

22 curious2   2014 Apr 19, 4:38pm   ↑ like (0)   ↑ dislike (0)     quote        

Iosef V HydroCabron says

Do I have that right?

No, but you don't care anyway so it's a waste of time.

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