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Jury Nullification, The Law You Won't Be Told


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2014 Apr 29, 10:53am   9,661 views  21 comments

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1   Zak   2014 Apr 29, 11:01am  

It's called jury nullification, not notification

2   Dan8267   2014 Apr 29, 11:04am  

Zak says

It's called jury nullification, not notification

Damn autocorrect. Fixed now.

3   Dan8267   2017 Oct 15, 9:59pm  

lots of old threads being resurrected
4   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2017 Oct 15, 10:27pm  

And of course you are wrong, at least in some states.

Since most posters here on Pat.net are from California, I'll note that each time you serve on a jury you are given notice that jurors must follow the facts and evidence that has been presented according to the law.

And in fact, I have sat on a VERY serious jury trial were 2 of the jurors said they did not agree with the law. The foreman gave them the night to think about it. When they retruned the next day, one said they changed their vote to guilty. The other again expressed that he did not agree with the law. We debated more(and had further issues to deliberate. Again the foreman told this one juror he could have the night to think about it. This time I flat out said that if the juror's sole reason to vote not guilty was based on his dislike of the law, I'd report him to the judge, hopefully have him replaced by an alternate juror. The next day he came in, wanted to review some of the evidence, and by the end of the day we had a guilty verdict(and correctly so).

In California and several other states there are rules against jury nullification:

https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/california-court-rules-against-jury-nullification
5   justme   2017 Oct 15, 10:32pm  

Fucking White Male says
In California and several other states there are rules against jury nullification:


Well, nobody can punish a juror for having reasonable doubt. The best way to engage in jury nullification is simply to say that you have a reasonable doubt., and vote "not guilty".
6   Blurtman   2017 Oct 16, 3:34am  

Putting this power into the hands of ordinary ordinary people is dangerous. We must let the ruling class decide what is right and wrong.
8   anonymous   2017 Oct 16, 8:50am  

How can the truth be uncivil? PC for the snowflakes here at Patnet once the truth comes out


Dodgerfan John is an UnAmerican dope, he’s just mad that he’s been cucked by a filthy Mexican broad and her criminal spawn.

Assume everything he says is incorrect
9   anonymous   2017 Oct 16, 8:54am  

Stupidity, ignorance, lying and deceit are all civil, along with repetitive ad hom’s and preventing Free Speech.

But the truth is uncivil.


Welcome to the new Patnet, the ultimate Safe Space for Special Snowflakes
10   anonymous   2017 Oct 16, 8:57am  

What else can be expected of angry white 40 somethings who ‘work’ for the gov, with their union protection and pensions?

Trumps Republicans are pathetically sad
11   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2017 Oct 16, 9:19am  

justme says
Fucking White Male says
In California and several other states there are rules against jury nullification:


Well, nobody can punish a juror for having reasonable doubt. The best way to engage in jury nullification is simply to say that you have a reasonable doubt., and vote "not guilty".


Correct.

I will note that any reasonable juror holding the opposing opinion will ask “why?”
12   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2017 Oct 16, 9:21am  

PCGyver says
Fucking White Male says
And of course you are wrong, at least in some states.

Since most posters here on Pat.net are from California, I'll note that each time you serve on a jury you are given notice that jurors must follow the facts and evidence that has been presented according to the law.

And in fact, I have sat on a VERY serious jury trial were 2 of the jurors said they did not agree with the law. The foreman gave them the night to think about it. When they retruned the next day, one said they changed their vote to guilty. The other again expressed that he did not agree with the law.


Which states is he wrong about and who has gone to jail or been tried for jury nullification?

Basically you have shown that you don't understand jury nullification.


I don’t think you understand the point I was making. And I never cited jail as the penalty. Rather the penalty is simple removal from the jury panel.

And fwiw the article I link noted a few states that don’t allow nullification.
13   WineHorror   2017 Oct 16, 10:52am  

Fucking White Male says
And of course you are wrong, at least in some states.

Since most posters here on Pat.net are from California, I'll note that each time you serve on a jury you are given notice that jurors must follow the facts and evidence that has been presented according to the law.

And in fact, I have sat on a VERY serious jury trial were 2 of the jurors said they did not agree with the law. The foreman gave them the night to think about it. When they retruned the next day, one said they changed their vote to guilty. The other again expressed that he did not agree with the law. We debated more(and had further issues to deliberate. Again the foreman told this one juror he could have the night to think about it. This time I flat out said that if the juror's sole reason to vote not guilty was based on his dislike of the law, I'd report him to the judge, hopefully have him replaced by an alternate juror. The next day he came in, wanted to review some of the evidence, and by the end of th...


Well, aren't you a fuktard then? Rightly so according to you?
14   zzyzzx   2017 Oct 16, 10:52am  

Doesn't everybody already know about this?
The OJ trial was decades ago at this point.
15   HEY YOU   2017 Oct 16, 11:15am  

Report for jury duty with a small sign on your lapel, "Not Guilty".
16   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2017 Oct 16, 5:54pm  

PCGyver says
Bump


Seriously? I don't see what is continuing to be debated.

In California, you can be removed from jury deliberations and replaced if you refuse to follow the jury instructions. That is 100% factually true. I've been on two juries where we were given that direction and its in the link I provided.

If a juror were determined(and reasonably intelligent) and disagreed with convicting someone, the juror simply would have to say he/she believes there is reasonable doubt. It would help if there were a small factual basis that the juror could articulate that belief on. And that would be that.

What is it exactly that you are interested in continuing to discuss?
17   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2017 Oct 16, 8:56pm  

PCGyver says
Fucking White Male says
PCGyver says
Bump


Seriously? I don't see what is continuing to be debated.

In California, you can be removed from jury deliberations and replaced if you refuse to follow the jury instructions. That is 100% factually true. I've been on two juries where we were given that direction and its in the link I provided.

If a juror were determined(and reasonably intelligent) and disagreed with convicting someone, the juror simply would have to say he/she believes there is reasonable doubt. It would help if there were a small factual basis that the juror could articulate that belief on. And that would be that.

What is it exactly that you are interested in continuing to discuss?


The fact that you still don't understand jury nullification. Just because 1 juror holds out ...


It results in a hung jury....https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification_in_the_United_States
Again I don’t understand your point. Jury nullification is the inability to render a verdict in the direction evidence points. There’s no need for all jurors to be “in on it” in order to be unable to reach a verdict . And no requirement for all jurors to reach the same verdict for it to be jury nullification.
https://criminal.lawyers.com/criminal-law-basics/jury-nullification-when-the-jury-ignores-the-law.html
18   anonymous   2017 Oct 17, 7:57am  

freespeak says
If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so.


The Republicans are going to make sure you’re silenced if you keep embarrassing them with American truths like this. Their simple minds have been occupied by the Christian charlatans who seek to destroy America, and everything that once made her great, for far too long. They are lost souls with no chance of salvation
19   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Oct 17, 8:50am  

Jury Nullification has always been a thing and even John Jay agreed it was an eternal principle.

One day the BAR Association decided it wasn't. Jury Nullification tells the not-in-the-least democratic BAR they don't have the power to just "poof" have a meeting or change their outlook/philosophy and kill an ancient Liberty.
20   Tenpoundbass   2017 Oct 17, 9:02am  

When the Judge said "You'll be subject to media sequestration on your honor, and not allowed to read or follow the news during the Hearing does anyone have a problem with that?"

I raised my hand and said I'm a news junkie and a software developer I'm always on my computer with news sites open.

When they broke for lunch the Judge called out the ones that don't speeky English and me to stay behind where he dismissed us.
21   anonymous   2017 Oct 17, 10:58pm  

There is no left vs. right anymore.

There is only tyranny vs. freedom.

Know your real enemy.

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