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Obama is less competent than George Bush, say a plurality of Americans


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2014 Jun 5, 5:13am   33,993 views  97 comments

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http://theweek.com/speedreads/index/262706/speedreads-obama-is-less-competent-than-george-bush-say-a-plurality-of-americans

With President Obama's approval rating still deep underwater, a new survey from Fox News finds that Americans generally think George W. Bush ran a more "competent" administration. In the survey, a 48 percent plurality said Bush's White House was more competent, while 42 percent picked Obama's.

At the same time, fully two-thirds of Americans said Bill Clinton's administration was more competent than Obama's, versus only 18 percent who liked Obama's better.

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1   marcus   2014 Jun 5, 6:01am  

Fox news "survey."

I'm not impressed.

2   marcus   2014 Jun 5, 6:03am  

I guarantee you that a (legit) survey done say in 2020 or later will have Obama's competency way above Bush's, in spite of the fact that the economy for most of Bush's 2 terms was so much better.

3   bob2356   2014 Jun 5, 6:05am  

Thank god for obama being less competent. Bush very competently destroyed America for generations to come, possibly forever. If only Obmana's administration was less competent at passing obamacare.

4   bob2356   2014 Jun 5, 10:36am  

Call it Crazy says

bob2356 says

Thank god for obama being less competent. Bush very competently destroyed America for generations to come, possibly forever.

Right...

*

I'm assuming this is an attempt at humor, you can't be that stupid and/or partisan. The economy was toast before the 110th congress sat down. Obama sucks, Bush sucked worse. Get over it, your team screwed the pooch.

5   HEY YOU   2014 Jun 5, 10:55am  

Damn! I miss George Carlin.

"Forget the politicians. They are irrelevant. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice! You have OWNERS! They OWN YOU. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought, and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies, so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls."

6   HydroCabron   2014 Jun 5, 10:57am  

HEY YOU says

You have no choice! You have OWNERS! They OWN YOU. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought, and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies, so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear

But wouldn't a tax cut on top earners fix this?

7   thomaswong.1986   2014 Jun 5, 3:15pm  

marcus says

Fox news "survey."

I'm not impressed.

LOL! it was never about " YOU " to begin with.

8   thomaswong.1986   2014 Jun 5, 3:18pm  

HEY YOU says

Damn! I miss George Carlin.

Carlin was an idiot who never knew anything. How can someone who never
studied or worked in industry could know about about how it all functions.

he comes from a generation who hated business of any kind... be glad he and his kind are dead.

9   Homeboy   2014 Jun 5, 4:23pm  

Call it Crazy says



Obama was unable to improve the economy? Let's see:

GDP - fell at end of Bush's term; went back up throughout Obama's tenure.

Unemployment - Skyrocketed at beginning and end of Bush's term; went down throughout Obama's tenure.

Stock market - Worst crash since Great Depression at end of Bush's term, up to record highs during Obama's tenure.

Obama actually did quite a lot. You just forgot what an utter shit storm Bush left him.

10   Homeboy   2014 Jun 5, 4:29pm  

bob2356 says

you can't be that stupid and/or partisan.

Call it Quits? Yeah, he definitely can be that stupid AND that partisan.

11   Homeboy   2014 Jun 5, 4:44pm  

Bush's approval rating was 31% in 2007, 2 years before the end of his term. Obama's approval rating right now is 44%, 2 years before the end of his term. Any other comparison is stupid, and shows that the person making the comparison doesn't understand that approval ratings change after a president leaves office.

Bush = loser.

12   lakermania   2014 Jun 5, 5:02pm  

Homeboy says

Bush's approval rating was 31% in 2007, 2 years before the end of his term. Obama's approval rating right now is 44%, 2 years before the end of his term. Any other comparison is stupid, and shows that the person making the comparison doesn't understand that approval ratings change after a president leaves office.

Bush = loser.

Actually Bush was at 37% during the same point during his presidency but you are right, Bush was in the gutter right about now, so with that comparison you can polish up the turd known as the Obama presidency a little, but then you have Clinton who was at 60% and Reagan who was at 63% during the same point, making him look all dull and stinky once again.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/116479/barack-obama-presidential-job-approval.aspx

13   bob2356   2014 Jun 5, 8:10pm  

Call it Crazy says

I've told you MANY times.... NEITHER is "my" team... Get it through your fucking head...

You posted the Bush vs Obama bullshit graphic. I never realized when someone spent all their time cheer leading for one team and against the other that it meant reasoned objective neutrality. My mistake.

14   Homeboy   2014 Jun 5, 8:21pm  

lakermania says

Actually Bush was at 37% during the same point during his presidency but you are right, Bush was in the gutter right about now, so with that comparison you can polish up the turd known as the Obama presidency a little, but then you have Clinton who was at 60% and Reagan who was at 63% during the same point, making him look all dull and stinky once again.

Nope. Bush was at 31%. Dropped down to 22% by the end of his term, too.

As for Reagan - WRONG. His approval rating was 42% in 1987.

http://www.nytimes.com/1987/03/03/us/poll-shows-reagan-approval-rating-at-4-year-low.html

[EDIT: Sorry, I suck. That's the wrong year. It should be 1986 to be a proper comparison]

But yes, I agree that Clinton was a better president than Obama. What you don't realize in your mindless cheerleading for Reagan/Bush is that they completely fucked our country over.

15   lakermania   2014 Jun 5, 9:35pm  

Homeboy says

Nope. Bush was at 31%. Dropped down to 22% by the end of his term, too.

As for Reagan - WRONG. His approval rating was 42% in 1987.

http://www.nytimes.com/1987/03/03/us/poll-shows-reagan-approval-rating-at-4-year-low.html

But yes, I agree that Clinton was a better president than Obama. What you don't realize in your mindless cheerleading for Reagan/Bush is that they completely fucked our country over.

Sigh. Completely ignore the Gallup link I provided in my post, which gives historical approval ratings for all the recent presidents at this exact point in Obama's presidency(Bush 37%,Clinton 60%,Reagan 63%), in favor of a cherry picked date in some little, biased NY Times poll used in article written by some left wing nut job who is now a commentator for NPR and MSNBC. You didn't even provide the source for your Bush rating, even though you have stated it twice.

We are all a little biased one way or the other, but some folks like you are so hell bent on pushing for their agenda, they lose all objectivity and are completely clueless as to why most people don't accept their views and statements as gospel.

16   bob2356   2014 Jun 5, 10:16pm  

Homeboy says

As for Reagan - WRONG. His approval rating was 42% in 1987.

What part of at the same point didn't you get?

You both are full of crap anyway. A single data point is useless.

17   zzyzzx   2014 Jun 5, 11:14pm  

marcus says

Fox news "survey."

I'm not impressed.

18   zzyzzx   2014 Jun 5, 11:16pm  

Obligatory:

19   lostand confused   2014 Jun 5, 11:30pm  

Obozo the clown -Champion of the NSA, champion of free trade, champion of big banks, champion of drone strikes on US citizens, champion of arresting people without charges and holding them indefinitely, champion of FATCA that forces the entire world's banks to spy on Americans abroad and report back on their assets under threat of sanctions/punishment-err also Nobel Peace prize winner.

20   edvard2   2014 Jun 5, 11:39pm  

This survey is nonsense and basically fantasy for conservatives. You don't need a slide rule or basic calculator to determine who was worse for the country. I've noticed there has been a recent campaign coming almost exclusively from right-leaning sources, making generic claims that Obama is either incompetent of "weak" when there's actually no facts to remotely back that claim while there's plenty to show that Bush was in fact not only highly incompetent, but was perhaps one of the worst Presidents in US history when it came to international relations, the economy, and national politics.

The bottom line is that GW was probably the last hurrah of the "Old" GOP and as such many on the right are sad about it and the best they can do is come up with some wet-noodle, weak-ass claim.

Lastly... GW's approval rating towards the end was seriously in the single digits. Its laughable that anyone would make any claim that Obama is less competent when his approval ratings have never been even remotely close to the lowest of GW's. So if people want to make up a bunch of crap it should at least have an inkling of logic tied to it in the first place.

21   bob2356   2014 Jun 6, 2:02am  

Call it Crazy says

We know you're a little "slow", so I'll explain that graphic for you..

It blames BOTH of them for trashing the economy but the difference was Bush had a democrat controlled Congress his last two years, while YOUR boy had full control over Congress and STILL didn't correct the issues but made them WORSE

I'm only slow because I'm waiting for you to catch up. Your graphic says Bush managed to trash the economy with a democratic house (you did read it didn't you?). Bush trashed the economy before there was a democratic house, he quite nicely trashed it with 6 years of republican house. Did you get that concept or do I need to type really, really slowly.

bob2356 says

Obama sucks, Bush sucked worse.

Where in there do I say Obama is my boy? If that isn't clear enough then I'm not really sure I can type slowly enough for you to comprehend.

You put up the liberal logic bs, but not because you are far right winger who believes sunspots are obamas fault. No of course not. Just because I reject pure bullshit like you post doesn't mean I support obama in any way shape or form. Unlike you I can dislike him for what he has actually done or not done, without having to make up shit.

22   zzyzzx   2014 Jun 6, 2:20am  

It's all Obama's fault!!!

23   zzyzzx   2014 Jun 6, 3:56am  

marcus says

Fox news "survey."

I'm not impressed.

CNN says essentially the same thing:
http://patrick.net/?p=1243679

24   Homeboy   2014 Jun 6, 6:41am  

lakermania says

Sigh. Completely ignore the Gallup link I provided in my post, which gives historical approval ratings for all the recent presidents at this exact point in Obama's presidency

Um, no it doesn't. This is your link:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/116479/barack-obama-presidential-job-approval.aspx

It's OBAMA's approval rating, not Bush.

Dumb shit.

25   Homeboy   2014 Jun 6, 6:49am  

lakermania says

You didn't even provide the source for your Bush rating, even though you have stated it twice.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-07-09-bush-poll_N.htm - 29% in 2007

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2007/06/28/fox-news-poll-bush-approval-rating-hits-new-low/ - 31% in 2007

Any more questions?

26   Homeboy   2014 Jun 6, 6:51am  

lakermania says

in favor of a cherry picked date in some little, biased NY Times poll used in article written by some left wing nut job who is now a commentator for NPR and MSNBC.

Nope, it was your beloved Fox News.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

27   Homeboy   2014 Jun 6, 6:52am  

lakermania says

We are all a little biased one way or the other, but some folks like you are so hell bent on pushing for their agenda, they lose all objectivity and are completely clueless as to why most people don't accept their views and statements as gospel.

You just described yourself perfectly.

28   Homeboy   2014 Jun 6, 6:53am  

Call it Crazy says

Yep, when climb in bed with the banksters and you don't arrest and jail the crooks and thieves, the sky is the limit!!

The bailouts were done by Bush, or did you conveniently forget that?

29   Homeboy   2014 Jun 6, 6:55am  

Call it Crazy says

Sure... That NEGATIVE GDP print last quarter was wonderful!!! Yep, Over 5 years later, Obama is doing a GREAT job!!!

I guess he needs just a little more time....

Are you going to look at the charts I posted, or are you going to cherry pick some shit you heard on Fox News? Charts don't lie, my friend.

30   Homeboy   2014 Jun 6, 6:56am  

Call it Crazy says

Now, go run the graph of the Labor Force Participation Rate and get back to us..

More cherry picking, I see. So you can look at graphs of GDP, unemployment, and stock market, completely ignore them, and then blather about some OTHER thing.

Nope, no bias there, LOL.

31   Homeboy   2014 Jun 6, 6:58am  

bob2356 says

Where in there do I say Obama is my boy? If that isn't clear enough then I'm not really sure I can type slowly enough for you to comprehend.

That's how the mouth-foaming right attacks.

"Bush was a better president than Obama."

"No he wasn't."

"AH HA! You're just a cheerleader for Obama."

Logic fail.

32   Homeboy   2014 Jun 6, 7:01am  

bob2356 says

Homeboy says

As for Reagan - WRONG. His approval rating was 42% in 1987.

What part of at the same point didn't you get?

Don't understand the question. Perhaps you could actually STATE it instead of posting blithe sarcasm.

2 years before the end of his term. Wasn't 1987 2 years before the end of Reagan's term? If I made a math error, please tell me.

33   Blurtman   2014 Jun 6, 12:38pm  

W did prosecute financial criminals, however. WorldCom, Enron (campaign contributors, no less.)

34   bob2356   2014 Jun 6, 12:53pm  

Homeboy says

2 years before the end of his term. Wasn't 1987 2 years before the end of Reagan's term? If I made a math error, please tell me.

Reagan left office Jan 1989 so Jan 1987 would be 2 years. Obama will leave office Jan 2017 so Jan 2014 would be 3 years. My apologies if you made a simple math error rather than trying to slide something in, I'm so used to the right wingnuts throwing random cherry picked numbers around I am beginning to automatically assume people do it on purpose.

35   bob2356   2014 Jun 6, 1:13pm  

Call it Crazy says



Which is going parabolic under Obama...

Bullshit, you can't read a chart. Bush took office Jan 2001. His first budget would be Nov 2001 debt 6 billion. His last budget would have ended Oct 2009 at 12 billion or a rise of 6 billion. O went from 12 billion to projected 19 billion in 2017 or a rise of 7 billion. So 7 billion is parabolic compared to 6 billion? How does that work? Especially considering the train wreck Bush left behind. Where was you outrage about parabolic debt in 2009? Give it up. Bush and O are just as bad no matter how much you try to polish turd number 1.

36   bob2356   2014 Jun 6, 1:19pm  

Call it Crazy says

bob2356 says

Where in there do I say Obama is my boy?

That's funny... You spend a hell of a lot of time defending his actions if he ain't "your" boy??

No I don't defend his actions, Find where that happened, go ahead. I just point out bullshit being thrown around (mostly by you) trying to say O was worse than "your boy" Bush.

37   thomaswong.1986   2014 Jun 6, 1:55pm  

Homeboy says

Obama was unable to improve the economy? Let's see:

building roads is hardly the way to increase good jobs... at least with Bush we saw venture capital pick up fueling new companies and jobs...
What did Obama do to improve the economy ?

Homeboy says

Unemployment - Skyrocketed at beginning and end of Bush's term; went down throughout ObamgUnemployment - Skyrocketed at beginning and end of Bush's term; went down throughout Obama's tenure.ha's tenure.

Long Term unemployment is at record highs... many simply dropped out of the workforce... Bushs policy in the beginning of 2001 did improve hiring. There are still no Obama policies to increase hiring..

Homeboy says

Stock market - Worst crash since Great Depression at end of Bush's term, up to record highs during Obama's tenure.

Again, not something Obama can cheer about... that goes to Bush for putting in policies to recover the economy and stock market... and that he did twice... 2001 and end of term. Again what Obama policy increased GDP and the stock market.... Its the same story with his father as Bush Sr. put in policies that rebounded the economy.... but for no reason Clinton takes created for not doing anything...

38   bob2356   2014 Jun 6, 2:59pm  

Call it Crazy says

Funny... There you go defending again...

How do the words just as bad constitute a defense in your weird world?

39   bob2356   2014 Jun 6, 3:02pm  

Call it Crazy says

BTW, I was comparing chart to chart to get a comparison, just like HomeFried was... Not budget years...

Why did you edit the comment? What happened to parabolic? Are you that desperate? You still either can't read the chart or don't know what the fiscal year is.

40   Homeboy   2014 Jun 6, 5:29pm  

thomaswong.1986 says

building roads is hardly the way to increase good jobs... at least with Bush we saw venture capital pick up fueling new companies and jobs...

Sorry, but I posted DATA. You are merely making blind assertions. Next...

thomaswong.1986 says

Long Term unemployment is at record highs...

Apparently you are unable to read a simple chart. Next...

thomaswong.1986 says

Bushs policy in the beginning of 2001 did improve hiring.

Hmmm... Bush improved hiring, yet unemployment rose. Um, that doesn't make sense. Next....

thomaswong.1986 says

Again, not something Obama can cheer about... that goes to Bush for putting in policies to recover the economy and stock market...

HA HA HA HA!!!! You are as partisan as they come, my friend. Thanks for the laugh.

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