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Michael Moore In Cat Fight With Wife Over Divorce Settlement

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http://www.ijreview.com/2014/06/145100-multimillionaire-activist-michael-moore-cat-fight-wife-divorce-settlement/

Multimillionaire director Michael Moore, who regularly rails against the rich, is in a nasty battle with his estranged wife over their pending divorce settlement. One of his claims: “She” spent millions on “her” lakefront mansion.

In court filings, Moore claims his wife “unilaterally wasted a large percentage of the marital funds”:

The liberal activist director and his wife, Kathleen Glynn, are scheduled for trial next month in a Michigan courtroom not far from the sprawling lakefront mansion that the Hollywood power contends became a money pit that cost five times what his wife claimed she would spend on the home.

Moore and Glynn jointly own “multiple substantial residences and multiple companies,” including Dog Eat Dog Films, the production company behind hit movies like “Roger &Me” and “Bowling for Columbine.”

The couple’s real estate holdings include a total of nine properties in Michigan and New York. The duo co-owns a Manhattan condo that was created through the combination of three separate units.

While the couple’s combined net worth has not been made public, Moore’s estimated net worth alone stands at $50 million. And hey, good for him.

But…this is a guy who has railed against wealth in America for years: “fat-cat corporations,” “one-percenters,” “rich Republicans,” on and on.

At the end of the day, it appears that our friend Michael Moore is pretty darned concerned about money as well.

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70   gsr   ignore (0)   2014 Jun 11, 4:33am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

tatupu70 says

I think I understand better than you. You're trying to assert that Buffett is instructing his company to purposely avoid paying taxes. Is that correct?

Your answer would be completely opposite if we replace Warren Buffet with Mitt Romney and Berkshire Hathaway with Bain Capital.

71   tatupu70   ignore (0)   2014 Jun 11, 4:45am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

gsr says

Your answer would be completely opposite if we replace Warren Buffet with
Mitt Romney and Berkshire Hathaway with Bain Capital.

And why do you think that is?

72   clambo   ignore (5)   2014 Jun 11, 6:14am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Two fat whales can't have a "cat fight", they have "flipper fights" or "blubber bashes" etc.

Somewhere a circus is missing its fatman/fatwoman tag team.

73   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (43)   2014 Jun 11, 7:42am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

She's immense,

Likely she gave Hilary brain damage by trying to sit on her face and missed.

74   Ceffer   ignore (3)   2014 Jun 11, 11:25am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Being raped, plundered and held hostage by lawyers is an appropriate, ironic denouement for the Moore Heap, since he obviously thinks it is great when they sue everybody else for a trumped up cause.

75   prodigy   ignore (0)   2014 Jun 11, 12:39pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

You can't make this shit up!!

Dan8267 says

In Moore's film Sicko, Cuba's medical system was made out to be nearly perfect with everyone happy. ABC News reports that this assessment, although not without basis, is not accurate. The hospital Moore went to is not representative of one the typical Cuban would have access to.

Dan8267 says

Because my specific criticism of one of Moore's movies, Sicko, does not undermine the thesis of that movie or show Moore to be dishonest or hypocritical in any way.

76   BlueSardine   ignore (3)   2014 Jun 11, 12:43pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I didn't want to beat this dead horse, but now that you mention it.....

prodigy says

You can't make this shit up!!

77   Ceffer   ignore (3)   2014 Jun 11, 12:45pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

She's immense,

Likely she gave Hilary brain damage by trying to sit on her face and missed.

Moore's ex looks like she could twerk decapitate with a single butt cheek from a yard away. She is likely Hilary/Michelle recruitment material.

78   Strategist   ignore (2)   2014 Jun 11, 12:47pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ceffer says

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

She's immense,

Likely she gave Hilary brain damage by trying to sit on her face and missed.

Moore's ex looks like she could twerk decapitate with a single butt cheek from a yard away. She is likely Hilary/Michelle recruitment material.

None of them have any taste.

79   HydroCabron   ignore (1)   2014 Jun 11, 12:53pm     ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

But…this is a guy who has railed against wealth in America for years: “fat-cat corporations,” “one-percenters,” “rich Republicans,” on and on.

Remember, everyone: this indicates that Moore is a hypocrite.

However, an anti-immigrant conservative who hires illegal aliens is not a hypocrite.

Simple enough to understand.

80   jazz_music   ignore (12)   2014 Jun 11, 3:16pm     ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

CaptainShuddup says

he would know what it's like to not be so rich you live in a Liberal fantasy world where Canada has never seen one single gun shot fired in Anger and we can tax our way out poverty, while ignoring meaningful employment numbers. Being an idealist who believes bullshit of that caliber is a Rich man's game.

He'll be voting for Tea party candidate in the 2016 Presidential election.

Liberal fantasy world? Rich man's game? Today's politics is no game ASSHOLE, it is about our struggle for life against early death and a decent future for the children. So I hope you will be the good example and be the very next coward to find your life sacrificed to efficiency and the god bottom line.

Unbridled greed costs honest American lives IN SO MANY WAYS. Is it really just a fantasy that this evil can be tamed and harnessed for the commonwealth? ... that people will grow older and less be sacrificed to god money? That is no exaggeration you know.

Also it is absolutely truth that 'greed' needs a structure to balance against its all-consuming appetites. Before there were unions so many injuries and deaths could be kept out of the public eye. Human life and livelihoods get sacrificed and will always will be sacrificed when greed achieves unchecked power. This is not counting people who died for lack of health care.

You just blithely accept that your representatives fail their sacred trust with impunity because they get money backing from corrupting influences principally energy, finance, media, medical, and the permanent war industry of whom Eisenhower warned us? You know recent laws were enacted to grant corporations greater rights to 'express themselves' without being identifiable. Even the SCOTUS is co-opted. You fucking coward imagine a liberal fantasy world where there is less degradation, misery and death? --

Since the air traffic controllers got broken up there was great celebration in the marbled halls of power and we got a bleaker USA for us and our families to live, work and die younger. Walmart is the major employer and preeminent retailer of the land channeling China's rise to economic, military and technological dominance. Finance industry benefits from boom and bust mostly at the expense of smallest owners, war industry benefits from the never ending war, more Americans per capita are in prison than just about anywhere on the planet, more industry benefits from prison labor, and selective enforcement is brought to bear as yet another tool to silence the oppressed majority as the wealthy buy their freedom from justice' wrath in such high profile cases that it's hard to cover up them up. Ambitious students end up many many years in debt for an education that many countries would facilitate to build a strong populace.

I have never belonged to a union, but as a worker and a member of the middle class I have benefitted from the struggle of those people. And they did struggle bravely beyond today's short sighted and cowardly self interested dolts. The struggle to organize labor unions was something worthy for latter generations to honor.

You flash around that picture of a tough old sea captain and yet you come off like little self absorbed bitch to make a good man puke. The first union, the maritime, was formed by brave maritime workers and with violence against thugs the owners of ships hired. Owners started the violence to give police cause to break up the organizers, like they always do and always will. You already know that in greed, brutality as we see from our peace officers, yes and even killing too, is not at all beyond the owner's discretion: It was common practice before unions to throw men overboard on the high sea to set a terrible example to other workers. The next was the longshoremen with all their injuries and deaths on the docks. The next was the teamsters. Efficiency efficiency efficiency is money money money, people's lives and limbs get in the way more when there is no penalties. Isn't fiscal conservatism all about the greater efficiency and the greater money?

Life and death struggle was always at the root of it. Our lives will continually become more like the more corrupt foreign countries where our representatives facilitated our industries to flee. As our middle class loses ground, it loses relevance as a thriving and consuming population. Wealth ever consolidates to a more elite circle. Greed garners more dominance where tenfold and hundredfold compensations can be won in exchange for betraying public trusts.

The more sacrifice is foisted on the majority, the higher the stakes become against leaders standing on nobler principles fostering a stronger nation, not a stronger elite.

The statistic about inherited wealth in USA bears out that class mobility is more myth than fact.

I see the right being manipulated very directly and shrewdly by billionaires in energy, banking and media to clean up what is left of this gutted country.

Political activism is healthy NOT AT ALL A FANTASY WORLD when there is so much wrong, and it's tragically sad to see counterfeit grassroots movements masquerading as motivated by populist values and noble agenda.

As a seafaring man you should already know all that stuff and how and why all seafaring men hate the Kennedys so much. If not maybe you would be better suited to get your avatar icon from the floor show at Finocchio's.

81   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2014 Jun 12, 12:10am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

prodigy says

You can't make this shit up!!

Dan8267 says

In Moore's film Sicko, Cuba's medical system was made out to be nearly perfect with everyone happy. ABC News reports that this assessment, although not without basis, is not accurate. The hospital Moore went to is not representative of one the typical Cuban would have access to.

Dan8267 says

Because my specific criticism of one of Moore's movies, Sicko, does not undermine the thesis of that movie or show Moore to be dishonest or hypocritical in any way.

Man, you guys are grasping at straws. Are you seriously implying that the article I reference is calling Moore an out-right liar? Did you even read the article or even objectively read my posts? It's just pathetic when conservatives grasp at straws for the sole objective of poisoning the well, which is all you're trying to do anyway.

Statistics from the World Health Organization and the CIA show that infant mortality in Cuba is significantly lower than in the United States. So it's not like Moore was pulling anything out of his ass.

But, for sake of argument, let's call the Cuba thing completely wrong. You conservatives are still grasping at straws because
1. The error was not deliberate in contrast to what conservatives do, i.e. lying.
2. Removing Cuba as an example -- hell, even making Cuba an example of a terrible health care system -- does not undermine the premise of the film Sicko because the U.S. heath care system is still terrible while Canadian and Europeans, who use socialized medicine, have far superior health care systems, life expectancy, and health.
3. Even if Moore had lied about Cuba -- which he clearly did not -- it would not mean the rest of Sicko or any of his other films were inaccurate. The mere fact that only I, a liberal, could find ANY flaws in Moore's arguments proves that you conservatives don't have a problem with the facts of Moore's films; you just don't want the crappy systems fixed.

So try and poison the well all you want. It doesn't change the fact that Sicko and all other Moore films were spot on. The American health care system before Obamacare was a complete fucking joke that cost more lives than if a 9/11 happened 10 times a year every fucking year. And that's a damn conservative estimate that doesn't include the multitudes of people who die because their health insurance providers weasel their way out of covering treatments as shown in Sicko.

Is Obamacare crap? Yes, it lacks
1. Single Payer
2. Nationalization of health insurance.
3. Socializing the costs of health care across the entire country.

I.e., it's nothing like European socialized medicine. Not even the first step. The problem with Obamacare is that it isn't socialized medicine, which empirically works better than capitalism. And don't give me any free market bullshit. Capitalism not only killed the free market, it killed the health care market altogether. There literally is NO market or anything resembling a market, free or otherwise, in health care. Unregulated capitalism always eliminates free markets.

But the fact remains that every single problem Moore pointed out in any of his movies is spot on. And you conservatives have presented to evidence that Moore is wrong on any of this issues or that any problem he pointed out isn't real or damn important.

82   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (43)   2014 Jun 12, 1:00am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

IF doctors can't triple bill an insurance company for diagnoses of non-existent maladies, they'll just end up pitch forking patients to death.

Everyone knows that.

83   BlueSardine   ignore (3)   2014 Jun 12, 2:51am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

No.
Prodigy has shown that you can't make your sun-baked mind up on your position.

In one post you imply that moore was dishonest by using as an example a cuban hospital that is not at all representative of the care cubans receive.

In the next post you say that moore is not dishonest or hypocritical in any way.

So which is it?
Or does your position wax and wane on whether the next crazy ivan is to starboard?

Dan8267 says

Are you seriously implying that the article I reference is calling Moore an out-right liar?

Dan8267 says

prodigy says

You can't make this shit up!!

Dan8267 says

In Moore's film Sicko, Cuba's medical system was made out to be nearly perfect with everyone happy. ABC News reports that this assessment, although not without basis, is not accurate. The hospital Moore went to is not representative of one the typical Cuban would have access to.

Dan8267 says

Dan8267 says

Because my specific criticism of one of Moore's movies, Sicko, does not undermine the thesis of that movie or show Moore to be dishonest or hypocritical in any way.

84   anonymous   ignore (null)   2014 Jun 12, 4:48am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

tatupu70 says

errc says

Oh dear. What problem do you think your uncle warren wants to solve?

You honestly don't know? He'd like to address wealth disparity by adjusting the tax code.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffett_Rule

Certainly you've heard the story about the CEO paying a smaller percentage than his secretary?

And you feel this addresses wealth disparity, how?

85   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2014 Jun 12, 5:56am     ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

SoftShell says

No.

Prodigy has shown that you can't make your sun-baked mind up on your position.

Only a retard would come to that conclusion. My position is quite clear and consistent. Conservatives are unable to come up with any real complaints about or counterarguments to Moore's movies. I demonstrate exactly what a legitimate complaint would look like by providing one. Instead of learning from the example and looking for other valid counterarguments, conservatives demonstrated their sheer lack of intelligence by misrepresenting the counter-argument I made.

Moore's movie Sicko demonstrates that the pre-Obamacare health insurance industry was killing people by denying them access to health insurance that they paid for through their insurance premiums. It showed that our health care system was broken. It supported this thesis with dozens of lines of evidence. My counter-argument has been that one line of evidence, the Cuban one, was flawed. I never stated that Moore was being deceptive or that the other lines of evidence were flawed. I never stated that removing one of the dozens of independent supports for this thesis invalidated his thesis. Of course, that cannot be the case.

If you provide ten mathematical proofs of a theorem and only nine turn out to be correct proofs, that doesn't make the theorem false. This is basic math, something conservatives suck ass at, which is why they are lousy at economics.

As I stated, instead of learning from my example of how to construct a legitimate counter-argument, the dumb ass conservatives went back to your stupid playbook of taking a true statement and deliberately misinterpreting it to mean something completely different. That's call a Straw Man argument. You then use that Straw Man to try to poison the well by getting gullible people, the ones likely to vote conservative, to think that (1) Moore is a bad person and a liar, which is bullshit, and (2) that anything he says should be simply discredited because he said it, which is also bullshit. One should simply look at the data that Moore references to judge whether or not his statements are accurate. That data is independent of who quotes it and therefore it is irrelevant that Moore produced the film Sicko and Ronald Reagan did not. The truth of the subject matter can be verified or discredited by the evidence itself.

It does not matter who performs the experiment; it should be repeatable. That's another thing you dumb ass conservatives don't get. Appeal to authority means nothing.

SoftShell says

In one post you imply that moore was dishonest by using as an example a cuban hospital that is not at all representative of the care cubans receive.

In the next post you say that moore is not dishonest or hypocritical in any way.

So which is it?

I did not post anything that even remotely implies that Moore is dishonest. Nor would I. If I wanted to make the point that Moore is dishonest, I would directly accuse him of being so and I would give ample justification for that statement. I don't do subtlety. In case you haven't noticed, whenever I tear apart any of your conservative bullshit, I'm not gentle or subtle about it. I nuke bad arguments; I don't slyly sabotage them.

If you actually believe I was implying that Moore was lying or deliberately misleading the public, then you are merely projecting your desires on my posts in stark contrast to reality.

Of course, we all know why you are doing this. You conservative absolutely hate and fear any clear minded political opposition because you know you can't win on facts and against rational arguments. So you have to make every issue an us verses them issue in which people vote, not based on the truth or rational and pragmatic interests, but rather on a ridiculous culture war. Are you a cowboy or a hippie. Well, assholes, I'm neither. I'm an engineer and my vote is based on what nature does, not who sponsors NASCAR. That is why, as I clearly demonstrated in this thread, that I have no problem pointing out any flaws in an argument that supports my position. Doing so does not weaken my position because the only reason I hold that position is that there are other, legitimate reasons for doing so.

Conservatives turn all of politics into a religion. Ideology is never subject to empirical results. The free market works all the time no matter how many times it fails. Capitalism always supports the free market even when it destroys the free market as it did in health insurance. Trickle down economics works no matter how much evidence says otherwise. These are conservative dogmas and they are no more subject to evidence or the scientific method than the existence of the blue-eyed, Caucasian god Jesus who was born of a virgin and rose from the dead.

This is why conservatives are idiots and their policies don't work for shit. Economics and governing is a matter of engineering, not religion, and as such is subject to the scientific method and empirical verification. Science is self-correcting; religion refuses any correction even that imposed from without. The bubble that conservatives live in is identical to the bubble that Muslim fundamentalists live in. Obama is the great Satan is no different from the U.S. is the great Satan. I'm just surprised that conservatives haven't flow any planes into buildings. I guess they are just not competent enough to pull that off.

86   tatupu70   ignore (0)   2014 Jun 12, 5:56am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

errc says

And you feel this addresses wealth disparity, how?

By making the tax structure more progressive.

87   BlueSardine   ignore (3)   2014 Jun 12, 6:57am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Dan8267 says

My position is quite clear an consistent.

No, it is not. Nice try though at hiding your fuckup in an ocean of syllables.
Bottom line is you just can't run away from the two diametrically opposed statements you made.
There they are in all their glory, below. So once again:
Which is it?
Or does your position wax and wane on whether the next crazy ivan is to starboard?

Dan8267 says

You can't make this shit up!!

Dan8267 says

In Moore's film Sicko, Cuba's medical system was made out to be nearly perfect with everyone happy. ABC News reports that this assessment, although not without basis, is not accurate. The hospital Moore went to is not representative of one the typical Cuban would have access to.

Dan8267 says

Dan8267 says

Because my specific criticism of one of Moore's movies, Sicko, does not undermine the thesis of that movie or show Moore to be dishonest or hypocritical in any way.

88   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2014 Jun 12, 7:37am     ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

SoftShell says

No, it is not. Nice try though at hiding your fuckup in an ocean of syllables.

I'm sorry. Do words with multiple syllables confuse you?

SoftShell says

Bottom line is you just can't run away from the two diametrically opposed statements you made.

There is nothing diametrically opposing to state that Conclusion X is valid because of reasons 1, 2, 3, ... 20, but not because of reason 21, which is flawed. If you cannot comprehend this, then that is simply further proof of the genetic and physical inferiority of conservative brains. See Social conservatives are just stupid bigots and now science has proved that and MRI study suggests liberal brains understand complexity, conservative minds are associated with anxiety and fear. You are currently providing a real world example of the accuracy of those posts.

The reasoning is simple and easy enough for any sound ten-year-old to follow. If you cannot understand it, that's on you. And simply repeating your incorrect assumptions does not make any case that your assumptions are correct. The truth is not determined by repetition of falsehoods.

89   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2014 Jun 12, 7:51am     ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

SoftShell says

The hospital Moore went to is not representative of one the typical Cuban would have access to.

SoftShell says

Because my specific criticism of one of Moore's movies, Sicko, does not undermine the thesis of that movie or show Moore to be dishonest or hypocritical in any way.

These are in no way contradicting statements. At this point, I have to question your comprehension of even basic English.

A statement can be inaccurate without being a lie. A person can make a case that is flawed without being a hypocrite. Lack of perfection does not indicate deception or hypocrisy. It merely indicates that a person is human and capable of making mistakes.

Furthermore, the mistake I submitted that Moore made in Sicko does not in any way undermine the case the movie makes that the pre-Obamacare health care system was completely fucked up, unjust, and cost the lives of multitudes of Americans.

But let's get to the real issue. The premise of Sicko was that the health care system was terrible. Do you actually disagree with that statement? Forget about what you think about Obamacare; that's a separate issue. Do you think the health care system in 2007 suffered only from minor problems? Do you think it was a good system?

If the answer is yes, you're an idiot. If the answer is no, you agree with Michael Moore's premise in Sicko. So, which is it?

For the rest of America, this issue has already been decided. Moore was right. The health care system was fundamentally broken. It's debatable how much Obamacare fixed that or even if the ACA is a step in the right direction, but it is indisputable that the pre-ACA system was doomed to failure and killing more Americans than having an 9/11 tragedy every single month. History has proven Moore's complaints about the pre-ACA health care system to be absolutely true and valid.

90   Tenpoundbass   ignore (15)   2014 Jun 12, 8:13am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

jazz music says

Liberal fantasy world? Rich man's game? Today's politics is no game ASSHOLE, it is about our struggle for life against early death and a decent future for the children.

What future do the "bad school" district kids have, or do you just expect the tax payers to foot their bill the rest of their lives. And they aren't meant to have a better education.

Look don't bitch at me, I didn't elect Obama you did.

91   Tenpoundbass   ignore (15)   2014 Jun 12, 8:15am     ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

jazz music says

The first union, the maritime, was formed by brave maritime workers and with violence against thugs the owners of ships hired.

Don't flatter this wretched lot that is Unions today, by comparing those entitled assholes to those men who fought to create the SSIU.

92   Tenpoundbass   ignore (15)   2014 Jun 12, 8:16am     ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

jazz music says

I see the right being manipulated very directly and shrewdly by billionaires in energy, banking and media to clean up what is left of this gutted country.

And I see the Left manipulating the banking and media to clean up what is left of this gutted country.

Glad to see we see eye to eye on some things.

93   BlueSardine   ignore (3)   2014 Jun 12, 9:03am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Of course they are not, when you truncate them.

Dan8267 says

SoftShell says

The hospital Moore went to is not representative of one the typical Cuban would have access to.

SoftShell says

Because my specific criticism of one of Moore's movies, Sicko, does not undermine the thesis of that movie or show Moore to be dishonest or hypocritical in any way.

These are in no way contradicting statements.

Here, try the originals and reload.

SoftShell says

Dan8267 says

You can't make this shit up!!

Dan8267 says

In Moore's film Sicko, Cuba's medical system was made out to be nearly perfect with everyone happy. ABC News reports that this assessment, although not without basis, is not accurate. The hospital Moore went to is not representative of one the typical Cuban would have access to.

SoftShell says

Dan8267 says

Dan8267 says

Because my specific criticism of one of Moore's movies, Sicko, does not undermine the thesis of that movie or show Moore to be dishonest or hypocritical in any way.

94   BlueSardine   ignore (3)   2014 Jun 12, 9:05am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FYI, making a documentary about something that is known by the director/producer to be "not accurate" is equivalent to being "dishonest".

Therefore, your statement "does not undermine the thesis of that movie or show Moore to be dishonest" is, in itself, dishonest.

95   BlueSardine   ignore (3)   2014 Jun 12, 9:10am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Sure. But are you going to tell me that Moore did not know the hospital he selected and used in his documentary was a gross exaggeration of what the typical Cuban hospital operated like?
What the hell good is that?
There are outliers in all fields. If his documentary was designed to highlight what the Cuban outlier hospital looked like, fine. But he presented it as an average Cuban hospital, which is dishonest and closing in fast on a lie.

Dan8267 says

A statement can be inaccurate without being a lie

96   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2014 Jun 12, 10:44am     ↓ dislike (4)   quote   flag        

SoftShell says

Of course they are not, when you truncate them.

No, you still fail. There's no contradiction there. There's not even any conflict. You simply are too stupid and too prejudice to understand this. To the rest of us, it's obvious.

SoftShell says

FYI, making a documentary about something that is known by the director/producer to be "not accurate" is equivalent to being "dishonest".

That's not what Moore did, nor did I imply that he did. You're thinking of Fox News. Those are the people who outright lie to their audience.








Conservatives: Masters of Hypocrisy.

Of course, all the conservatives will simply ignore the above videos -- and I only took a small sample -- hoping that the audience of this thread will forget watching them. There is no response to all the blantant and outragous lies that Fox News and all of conservative media puts out to misinform and mislead the public.

In contrast, Michael Moore has never decieved the public. I don't agree with all of Moore's opinions and proposed solutions, but no honest person would call Moore a liar. Fox News is nothing but liars telling the biggest and most damaging lies to the American people.

SoftShell says

Sure. But are you going to tell me that Moore did not know the hospital he selected and used in his documentary was a gross exaggeration of what the typical Cuban hospital operated like?

Fuck ya. Moore was wrong, but not deliberately so. If you want to see deliberate, purposeful misleading of the public, just watch any of the above videos in this post.

Furthermore, being factually wrong about one supporting fact does not undermine a thesis that is supported by hundreds of other verified correct facts. As I stated before,

If you provide ten mathematical proofs of a theorem and only nine turn out to be correct proofs, that doesn't make the theorem false.

The person being dishonest here is you, SoftShell.

97   BlueSardine   ignore (3)   2014 Jun 12, 12:29pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

If moore wasn't deliberate in his hospital selection, then he is so stupid to have picked that hospital that he had no business producing the documentary in the first place. It gave the wrong impression of Cuban hospitals.

As an aside, thanks for all the insults. Looks like you are a bottom feeder...

Dan8267 says

SoftShell says

Sure. But are you going to tell me that Moore did not know the hospital he selected and used in his documentary was a gross exaggeration of what the typical Cuban hospital operated like?

Fuck ya. Moore was wrong, but not deliberately so

98   BlueSardine   ignore (3)   2014 Jun 12, 12:44pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Oh...I think you are mistaken....it appears to be another network.






Dan8267 says

That's not what Moore did, nor did I imply that he did. You're thinking of Fox News. Those are the people who outright lie to their audience.

99   BlueSardine   ignore (3)   2014 Jun 12, 12:46pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The last video says it all....

100   Ceffer   ignore (3)   2014 Jun 12, 1:03pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

SoftShell says

If moore wasn't deliberate in his hospital selection, then he is so stupid to have picked that hospital

He is not exploring an issue, he is simply proceeding from a foregone, inflammatory conclusion and editorializing any way he can to support that foregone conclusion. It is the exact opposite of enlightenment or dialog.

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