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"I Used to be a Republican" and "Do Conservatives Ever Listen To Themselves?"

(1) A conservative is someone who thinks Democrats are waging an eternal War on Christmas.
(2) A conservative is someone who says to a pregnant woman: We will imprison you and kill your doctor if you attempt to abort that baby, but once it comes out we will make damn sure it gets no assistance and will scrabble for life among the filth and pollution until such time as we are done abusing and demeaning it, then we strap it down in the electric chair.
(3) A conservative has Fox News on 24/7 and is in permanent rage about Obama.
(4) A conservative is someone who rages about fences, meanwhile has Manuel out building one in the backyard & Lupe looking after the kids (cash only wink wink), and turns a blind eye to hiring practices at the local chicken-processing plant.
(5) A conservative decries public assistance, meanwhile seeking taxpayer bribes and handouts behind a curtain of lies and misdirecting language like "incentives".
(6) A conservative protests Obama as simultaneously a limp-wristed empty suit and a brutal fascist dictator, allowing of course torture & drones and Endless War on Terror is desirable if the GOTP is in charge.
(7) A conservative decries Sharia Law, unless it's phrased in Christian terms.

A conservative is someone who assembles ridiculous strawmen, and tears them down like dogs running about the yard shredding the garbage bags.

Vicente

In my experience the conservative (Not necessarily Republican) has principles and does compromise on them for self gain. Liberals on the other hand generally do nothing but.

Ron Paul is this type

The latter would be pretty much all politicians from Illinois.

Indigenous

In my experience the progressive (Not necessarily Democrat) has principles although does compromise on them for the common good. Conservatives on the other hand only mouth principles they never intend in the slightest to live by.

Vicente says

has principles although does compromise on them for the common good.

Like Blagojevich, Emanuel(inevitable), Jesse Jackson Jr., Dan Walker , George Ryan, Otto Kerner ?

"Seriously, is it possible that liberals actually believe the nonsense they go around spouting?"

Seriously is it possible for the wingnuts at either end to actually believe the nonsense they go around spouting. Look at the stupid crap just in this post. Frighteningly enough the answer is yes they actually do believe it.

Since the campaign system has devolved into whoever shouts the loudest from the furthest end of the crazy scale (using huge quantities of corporate money) gets to run for office. That means these same extremest crazies are the only option available when it comes time to vote.

The game is over. Proof stands right here.

bob2356 says

Look at the stupid crap just in this post. Frighteningly enough the answer is yes they actually do believe it.

Another empty post hiding behind vagaries

indigenous says

bob2356 says

Look at the stupid crap just in this post. Frighteningly enough the answer is yes they actually do believe it.

Another empty post hiding behind vagaries

Nothing vague do you believe the stupid crap you posted or not? Man up.

bob2356 says

Nothing vague do you believe the stupid crap you posted or not? Man up.

Sure there is as usual for you.

Of course I believe I posted it, dumb ass.

(1) A liberal is someone who thinks Republicans are waging a war on women, but that the Muslim world isn’t.

A right wing douchebag is someone who doesn't understand that one can be against the actions of Muslim extremists without necessarily believing we should wage war on ALL Muslims EVERYWHERE.

(2) A liberal is someone who says to a pregnant woman: “Don’t smoke, it’ll hurt your baby,” but tells her it’s quite okay to abort that same baby.

A right wing douchebag is someone who believes the government should NEVER interfere in people's private lives, unless it has to do with a woman's body.

(3) A liberal is someone who thinks Fox News lies, but Obama doesn’t.

A right wing douchebag is someone who doesn't realize you can disagree with Obama on issues without flipping out and having a rant-fest every fucking day.

(4) A liberal is someone who lives in a gated community or behind a high wall, but says that a border fence won’t work.

A right wing douchebag is someone who has no clue that the entire United States is a bit bigger than a gated community.

(5) A liberal is someone who wails about “corporate welfare,” but thinks it’s great that Obama bailed out General Motors to save union contracts and blew a billion tax dollars on certain-to-fail green energy companies in exchange for campaign contributions.

No, that's a Democrat, not a liberal.

(6) A liberal is someone who protested the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and proclaimed the Patriot Act fascistic, until Barack Obama took office.

Hmmm... I don't personally know any liberals who are in favor of the Patriot Act. Care to name one?

Vicente says

(7) A conservative decries Sharia Law, unless it's phrased in Christian terms.

you know of anyone at anytime in the past 200 years which wanted Sharia or Sharia type laws ?

Homeboy says

No, that's a Democrat, not a liberal.

(6) A liberal is someone who protested the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and proclaimed the Patriot Act fascistic, until Barack Obama took office.

Hmmm... I don't personally know any liberals who are in favor of the Patriot Act. Care to name one?

Short on memory.. but so were clinton gore kerry and company when they linked middle east terrorist and creating weapons of mass desctruction.. Syria Libya and Iraq...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCVZlLBchVE&list=PLk9KzSdScIPOoadjQBsKLyLY0iai5d1Km

Homeboy says

A right wing douchebag is someone who doesn't understand that one can be against the actions of Muslim extremists without necessarily believing we should wage war on ALL Muslims EVERYWHERE.

is that it... is that ALL that can be done...' be against the actions ' of Muslim extremist.

must be another coward unable to kill a terrorist.... If we shoot one.. it must be a war against all MUSLIMS everywhere. What a coward! How about killing the fucking pig.

Homeboy says

Hmmm... I don't personally know any liberals who are in favor of the Patriot Act. Care to name one?

I dunno are the Hypocrite Crones Boxer and Frankenstein Liberals or not?
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/patriotact20012006senatevote.shtml

I don't feel sorry for those of you that feel you need to identify with Republican or Democrat, Liberal or Conservative view points. Your attempt to belong to something that you think will think and act the most like you would yourselves, is quite hilarious! Both parties are corrupt pits of hell. Wake up!!! Like Lostand Confused said above, it's propaganda vs. truth. Both sides are continuously spewing propaganda.

thomaswong.1986 says

you know of anyone at anytime in the past 200 years which wanted Sharia or Sharia type laws ?

“our civil laws have to comport with a higher law: God’s law.” - Ricky Santorum

You got some santorum on your chin, here let me wipe it off.

Vicente says

thomaswong.1986 says

you know of anyone at anytime in the past 200 years which wanted Sharia or Sharia type laws ?

“our civil laws have to comport with a higher law: God’s law.” - Ricky Santorum

You got some santorum on your chin, here let me wipe it off.

the same Christians who created this great nation... look up your fucking history book moron.. who were the people who came here and who created the national foundations of government...

you really call yourself American ?

Robert Sproul says

I dunno are the Hypocrite Crones Boxer and Frankenstein Liberals or not?

Well you can't have it both ways. Indigenous said a liberal is someone who "proclaimed the Patriot Act fascistic". Obviously the ones who voted for it weren't claiming it was fascist AS they were voting for it. So name a liberal who said it WAS fascist when Bush was president, and then said it WASN'T fascist when Obama was president.

I mean, look - I totally agree with you that the democrats are spineless pussies who are only liberal when it is politically expedient to be, but we're supposed to be discussing liberals, not democrats.

thomaswong.1986 says

is that it... is that ALL that can be done...' be against the actions ' of Muslim extremist.

must be another coward unable to kill a terrorist.... If we shoot one.. it must be a war against all MUSLIMS everywhere. What a coward! How about killing the fucking pig

Wow, dude. You are like a bad parody of yourself.

Not all Muslims are terrorists. That was the point. A point which flew over your head faster than one of the 1,500 missiles Ronald Reagan gave to Iran.

thomaswong.1986 says

Short on memory.. but so were clinton gore kerry and company when they linked middle east terrorist and creating weapons of mass desctruction.. Syria Libya and Iraq...

See this post http://patrick.net/?p=1244093&c=1093828#comment-1093828 dipshit.

thomaswong.1986 says

the same Christians who created this great nation...

What's so great about it? We have less freedom than most other 1st world countries, biggest wealth disparity in the world, a government that spies on and murders its own citizens, and one of the highest incarceration rates. Yep, those Christians sure are doing a great job...

thomaswong.1986 says

who were the people who came here and who created the national foundations of government...

Name off the big figures, nearly all were more deist than Christian, who constructed a secular government. Without dropping "praise Jesus" in every single sentence. Shit man I can't get any kind of letter at all from some of my Christian relatives, where Jesus isn't on the page the same number of times as there are punctuations. Which one was the equivalent of "mullah"? Jefferson, Franklin, Washington?

John Jay was an orthodox Christian. Most people will say "who?" to that name.

"The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history. Although the detail of the formation of the American governments is at present little known or regarded either in Europe or in America, it may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses." - John Adams

indigenous says

"I Used To Be A Democrat" and "Do Liberals Ever Listen To Themselves?"

Hey asshole, I'm the biggest liberal on this site and I disagree completely with all your statements.

The only one that comes even remotely close to not being a total lie is #2. Of course, that's a lie because liberals don't advocate legalizing aborting babies, but rather legalizing non-sentient embryos, and they aren't babies. Developed brains make a difference. See The abortion question answered. Turns out, both sides were wrong.

If you're too much of a pussy, try taking me on in open debate on that thread.

Also, conservatives are complete hypocrites on the abortion issue. They claim that personhood begins at conceptions, but have no problem with corporations aborting pre-borns against the mother's will by polluting the Earth.

Yeah, that's right, pollution causes miscarriages. In effect, polluters are forcing abortions onto women without their knowledge. Yet, conservatives have no problem with polluters and all the forced abortions they perform.

Here's a sample.

Health-damaging exposure to environmental risks can begin before birth. Lead in air, mercury in food and other chemicals can result in long-term, often irreversible effects, such as infertility, miscarriage, and birth defects. Women's exposure to pesticides, solvents and persistent organic pollutants may potentially affect the health of the fetus.

http://www.who.int/ceh/publications/factsheets/fs284/en/
http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art46532.asp
http://theeagleonline.com.ng/pollution-can-cause-miscarriage-expert/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/6408168/Traffic-fumes-can-increase-miscarriage-risk.html
http://www.parentdish.com/2009/10/27/pollution-could-increase-risk-of-miscarriage-new-study/
http://miscarriage.about.com/b/2012/08/22/air-pollution-linked-to-stillbirth-in-new-study.htm

So don't give me any bullshit about liberals being hypocrites. You are wrong on everything you assert liberals believe.

Conservatives fret all night over the gaping hole in the condom.
Liberals just reload and reuse, knowing that whatever starts growing in there is easily removable via spade or hanger...

Dan8267 says

Also, conservatives are complete hypocrites on the abortion issue. They claim that personhood begins at conceptions, but have no problem with corporations aborting pre-borns against the mother's will by polluting the Earth.

Yeah, that's right, pollution causes miscarriages. In effect, polluters are forcing abortions onto women without their knowledge. Yet, conservatives have no problem with polluters and all the forced abortions they perform.

its no secret Liberals like you have destroyed our economy with the same nonse... its why your hero Bubba Clinton has always stated .... Those jobs are gone and will never come back... reason is the same !

Dan8267 says

Hey asshole, I'm the biggest liberal on this site and I disagree completely with all your statements.

Fuck off bitch

Actually I won't even take up #2, unless you are saying a 3rd trimester abortion is ok.

Re #1 I see an lot liberals who support Palestinians, don't know what the view is with the rest of the Muslim world.

Re #3 If you disagree with that you need to get your head out of your ass

Re #4 I think that problem will take care of itself, but that being said if you have no borders you cannot define the country

Re #5 Basically liberals are economically illiterate. The facts are plain to see, IF you can LOOK.

Re #6 Most wars have been started by democrats, since I'm a libertarian I want to see wars end. Iraq e.g. even though those videos are painful to watch especially the children being executed. Look at how much that war cost to only result in that. It would be more humane to have Husein back. But as outraged as you might be the Vietnam war was worse and started by LBJ same with FDR and WWll, same with WWl and Wilson.

Re the economy Obama is moving up the charts re the question of who was the worst president in history. This would be because of his inept arrogant economic policy that has been as bad as anything this country has seen since the great depression.

Vicente says

ame off the big figures, nearly all were more deist than Christian, who constructed a secular government. Without dropping "praise Jesus" in every single sentence. Shit man I can't get any kind of letter at all from some of my Christian relatives, where Jesus isn't on the page the same number of times as there are punctuations. Which one was the equivalent of "mullah"? Jefferson, Franklin, Washington?

Yep... your fucking clueless about our nation...

All of our founders since the pilgrims were Christians and based this nation on Christianity.

http://christianity.about.com/od/independenceday/a/foundingfathers.htm

No one can deny that many of the founding fathers of the United States of America were men of deep religious convictions based in the Bible and their Christian faith in Jesus Christ. Of the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence, nearly half (24) held seminary or Bible school degrees.

These Christian quotes of the founding fathers will give you an overview of their strong moral and spiritual convictions which helped form the foundations of our nation and our government.

George Washington
1st U.S. President

"While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion. To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian."
--The Writings of Washington, pp. 342-343.

John Adams
2nd U.S. President and Signer of the Declaration of Independence

"Suppose a nation in some distant Region should take the Bible for their only law Book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited! Every member would be obliged in conscience, to temperance, frugality, and industry; to justice, kindness, and charity towards his fellow men; and to piety, love, and reverence toward Almighty God ... What a Eutopia, what a Paradise would this region be."
--Diary and Autobiography of John Adams, Vol. III, p. 9

"Now I will avow, that I then believe, and now believe, that those general Principles of Christianity, are as eternal and immutable, as the Existence and Attributes of God; and that those Principles of Liberty, are as unalterable as human Nature and our terrestrial, mundane System."
--Adams wrote this on June 28, 1813, excerpt from a letter to Thomas Jefferson.

Thomas Jefferson
3rd U.S. President, Drafter and Signer of the Declaration of Independence

"God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever; That a revolution of the wheel of fortune, a change of situation, is among possible events; that it may become probable by Supernatural influence! The Almighty has no attribute which can take side with us in that event."

--Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XVIII, p. 237.

Dan8267 says

Here's a sample.

Health-damaging exposure to environmental risks can begin before birth. Lead in air, mercury in food and other chemicals can result in long-term, often irreversible effects, such as infertility, miscarriage, and birth defects. Women's exposure to pesticides, solvents and persistent organic pollutants may potentially affect the health of the fetus.

Laughable...

had we not had pesticides, our food supply would have spoiled and we would not be able to support the population... so where is the great deaths from pesticides you claim.

thomaswong.1986 says

Yep... your fucking clueless about our nation...

All of our founders since the pilgrims were Christians and based this nation on Christianity.

When you wear Christian glasses, you can see everyone in history you want as 100% hardcore Christian, and ignore everything else.

Shit quite a few commented about God as an unknowable entity and the deification of mythical Jesus and worshipping the Cross as mortifying. What does that make them? Not Christian, to be sure.

You can't even reconcile the John Adams quoted above, with your own John Adams quote I'm sure. I can, he swam in politics and had to solemnly daub blue mud in his navel, when he was in the company of the blue-mud-daubers. They were practical men, who allowed a lot of latitude in beliefs, and were able to operate in many secular and spiritual circles. They were certainly not generally speaking, fire and brimstone bible thumping idjits, those came later.

Vicente says

When you wear Christian glasses, you can see everyone in history you want as 100% hardcore Christian, and ignore everything else.

Shit quite a few commented about God as an unknowable entity and the deification of mythical Jesus and worshipping the Cross as mortifying. What does that make them? Not Christian, to be sure

you mean YOU CANNOT reconcile your slanted secular world view with the Christian foundations of this nation. Clearly your an atheist reading some slanted propaganda.

Benjamin Franklin
Signer of the Declaration of Independence and Unites States Constitution

"Here is my Creed. I believe in one God, the Creator of the Universe. That He governs it by His Providence. That He ought to be worshipped.

"That the most acceptable service we render to him is in doing good to his other children. That the soul of man is immortal, and will be treated with justice in another life respecting its conduct in this. These I take to be the fundamental points in all sound religion, and I regard them as you do in whatever sect I meet with them.

"As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the system of morals and his religion, as he left them to us, is the best the world ever saw, or is likely to see;

thomaswong.1986 says

you mean YOU CANNOT reconcile your slanted secular world view with the Christian foundations of this nation. Clearly your an atheist reading some slanted propaganda.

Hilarious. Does the 100% Christian list include or exclude Thomas Paine?

thomaswong.1986 says

All of our founders since the pilgrims were Christians and based this nation on Christianity.

This is nonsense. The elites of this era were proudly Enlightened men.
Of course many were educated in Seminary or Bible College as these were the educational opportunities available.
The Enlightenment-influenced Founding Fathers were best described as "cultural Christians".
The unattributable quote:
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."
seems completely accurate.
Thomaswrong will be an eager Block Commandate overseeing Waterboard Baptisms of Allegiance.

Actually it was a political trick to conflate god with there actions as this makes their actions seem consecrated. Lincoln did it in the Gettysburg address. That way his causing the Civil War that got a million people killed seem holy.

The constitution separates religion and state for good reason. Look at the cowards in Iraq executing people at random in the name of Alla, as they are mere infidels, so it is not a big deal.

At the same time natural law is at the core of jurisprudence, the constitution, and private property. This too with good reason.

SoftShell says

knowing that whatever starts growing in there is easily removable via spade or hanger...

AND - they will get the government to pay for that procedure.

There's not a Conservative Party or Tea Party on the ballot. So how are these ASSHOLES voting? How you vote is who you are?

"Oh,I'm a conservative." BS
"Oh, I'm a Tea Party Patriot." More BS

Robert Sproul says

The unattributable quote:

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."

seems completely accurate.

Thomaswrong will be an eager Block Commandate overseeing Waterboard Baptisms of Allegiance.

Typical lefty atheist trying to rewrite history... it just petrifies you that our founding fathers based this nation on Christian principles. They wrote 1000s of books and letters made available to the world to read.

Your the kind that will burn the books of our nations fathers to cover up and make the new Reich in your twisted likeness.

(7) A liberal is someone who thinks it not OK to smoke tobacco, but it is OK to smoke pot.

I am still waiting to hear a liberal to explain this hypocrisy.

A liberal is someone who thinks.....uhhh...wait, that's all wrong...

zzyzzx says

(7) A liberal is someone who thinks it not OK to smoke tobacco, but it is OK to smoke pot.

I am still waiting to hear a liberal to explain this hypocrisy.

Howdy There says

9. believes that the world soon be dominated by the NWO/corporations/Zionists/HYDRA/forces of Mordor/Muslims/BackStreetBoys/Jörmungandr

A sea serpent powerful enough to kill Thor. Now you've given me ANOTHER thing to worry about.

THANKS!