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Occupied people have a right to exist

By tovarichpeter following x   2014 Jul 25, 8:45am 16,931 views   66 comments   watch   nsfw   quote     share    


http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/16/gaza-shameful-injustice-israel-attacks-occupied-people

For the third time in five years, the worlds fourth largest military power has launched a full-scale armed onslaught on one of its most deprived and overcrowded territories. Since Israels bombardment of the Gaza Strip began, just over a week ago, more than 200 Palestinians have been killed.

27   Automan Empire   ignore (2)   2014 Jul 26, 6:09am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I didn't say Israel's only choice is to accept attacks without retaliation. I do see them as themselves provocative, along with being infinitely stronger economically and militarily. As I indicated earlier, results will probably take at least a generation to reach full effect; will more powerful Israel take the first steps in a sincere way?

28   Bigsby   ignore (10)   2014 Jul 26, 6:20am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

On a day-to-day basis there is very obvious oppression going on. I may be one of the few people on here who has actually been to Israel and I have seen it first hand.

It's clearly a very complex situation made more so by the drawn out nature of the conflict and the kind of hostility that that develops. Any kind of meaningful agreement will take compromises on both sides and not just on the part of the Palestinians.

29   BlueSardine   ignore (2)   2014 Jul 26, 7:28am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Define "original inhabitants".
Unless you are talking Cro-Magnum, you don't have a foot to stand on.

Blurtman says

People who steal land from the original inhabitants

30   BlueSardine   ignore (2)   2014 Jul 26, 7:31am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

This is a common mistake.
The first punch was thrown by the United Nations in 1948 when they recognized Israel as a state.
The hostilities initiated by the Palestinians after that were and still are illegal.

bgamall4 says

But the first punches were thrown by the Israelis,

31   Blurtman   ignore (1)   2014 Jul 26, 8:40am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

SoftShell says

Define "original inhabitants".

Unless you are talking Cro-Magnum, you don't have a foot to stand on.

Blurtman says

People who steal land from the original inhabitants

My definition is the occupants of the country of Palestine which existed up until 1948. It's not really rocket science.

32   Howdy There   ignore (0)   2014 Jul 26, 1:24pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Hadn't seen this thread before. After reading it, seems like one side has to wipe the other out if a resolution is to be had. It's not right.

33   Strategist   ignore (2)   2014 Jul 26, 3:51pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

tovarichpeter says

For the third time in five years, the worlds fourth largest military power has launched a full-scale armed onslaught on one of its most deprived and overcrowded territories. Since Israels bombardment of the Gaza Strip began, just over a week ago, more than 200 Palestinians have been killed.

How does country with 8 million people end up with the world's fourth largest military?

34   Bigsby   ignore (10)   2014 Jul 26, 4:14pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Palestine is the common reference for the land up to the Jordan river and has been for a very long time, so why think the borders of a British protectorate somehow supersedes that in relevance?

35   Tenpoundbass   ignore (14)   2014 Jul 27, 12:35am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I never even saw or knew a Jew until I moved to South Florida in the late 80's.
But ever since then I have met a few hardcore characters who thought all Palestinians should be fought, drove out of Israel or killed. Probably the only people in America who could say something so viciously callous, and not be called out on it.

Had ANYONE in America said they would like to see Jews dead, he would probably still be in prison today for hate crime.

From my POV there was a pseudo peace process that was happening in early 2000s IIRC it was radical Jews that killed a Palestinian first, then some Palestinian killed a Jew, which led to that father and son being mowed down in the streets in a hail of Israeli soldier bullets on Easter morning.

There will never be peace in the middle east as long as Jews get to operate on sanctioned bigotry.

36   Strategist   ignore (2)   2014 Jul 27, 2:03am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

tovarichpeter says

Occupied people have a right to exist

Occupied people should also have a right to EXIT if they want to exist. The other Arab nations have lots of land and wealth to easily accomodate them, but choose not to do so, as their hate for Jews is so much, they do not want Israel to EXIST.


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