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Americans really wish they had elected Mitt Romney instead of Obama


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2014 Jul 28, 4:03am   23,949 views  108 comments

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http://theweek.com/article/index/265418/speedreads-americans-really-wish-they-elected-mitt-romney-instead-of-obama

Americans are so down on President Obama at the moment that, if they could do the 2012 election all over again, they'd overwhelmingly back the former Massachusetts governor's bid. That's just one finding in a brutal CNN poll, released Sunday, which shows Romney topping Obama in a re-election rematch by a whopping nine-point margin, 53 percent to 44 percent. That's an even larger spread than CNN found in November, when a survey had Romney winning a redo 49 percent to 45 percent.

Two years ago, Obama won re-election with about 51 percent of the vote.

Of course, the poll should be taken with a grain of salt. While Obama is actually taking on the tough task of leading the nation, Romney is sitting comfortably on the sidelines. Still, the finding comes as foreign and domestic crises have sent Obama's approval rating tumbling back to 40 percent, per Gallup.

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1   Tenpoundbass   2014 Jul 28, 4:06am  

zzyzzx says

That's just one finding in a brutal CNN poll

I saw that, but it wasn't from FOX so I didn't believe it.

2   zzyzzx   2014 Jul 28, 4:14am  

Obligatory:

3   Bellingham Bill   2014 Jul 31, 9:59am  

"whopping nine-point margin, 53 percent to 44 percent."

53 to 44 -- 5 people out of 100 allegedly switching.

One out of 20.

"Whopping" indeed. ::eyeroll::

real per-capita non-defense gov't spending.

People would like Obama more if he could open the spending taps like Bush did.

Well-played, GOP, well-played.

4   Dan8267   2014 Jul 31, 10:22am  

Yet another article written by a right-wing propaganda machine about a fantasy world with no bearing on ours.

5   marcus   2014 Jul 31, 11:25am  

Is this by any chance a zzyzzx post ?

Why yes, yes it is.

Gettin a little one dimensional there zz. Just sayin.

That's okay. Please let us know when another survey comes out telling us how disappointed everyone is with Obama.

Also, let us know when the economy (especially employment and standard of living) is projected to improve a lot, so we can get a republican in there to take credit for it.

The last time the economy improved a lot was the 90s. But fortunately Ken Star was at work for a few years and managed to find a little dirt to stick to the guy, so they could impeach him. Still, I guess he has to get some credit.

6   Shaman   2014 Jul 31, 12:14pm  

If Marcus is talking about Clinton, let me remind all that it was Clinton who signed NAFTA, Clinton who gave China most favored nation trading status, Clinton who set the stage for massive offshoring and tax breaks for doing so, and Clinton who refused to go after Osama Bin Laden after he bombed our war ship. Clinton's presidency set the stage for the downfall of America. No republican could have done it better. The fact that the economy expanded was due to the tech industry really adding value and growing exponentially. With that kind of growth it was also simple to balance the budget, so that required no Herculean effort. Billy boy was a GOP placeholder, a Rhodes scholar sellout to the "Majestic" plan to topple America.

7   curious2   2014 Jul 31, 12:35pm  

For a minute, I feared that Americans might have forgotten what a catastrophic candidate Romnesia would have been. Then I saw the part of the poll comparing him to Hillary Clinton:

Clinton 55%
Romney 42%

In addition to a horrible platform, Republicans nominated literally the worst candidate in the country.

8   Ceffer   2014 Jul 31, 12:38pm  

Romney has a much better golf swing than Obama, the Presidency was stolen from him.

9   HydroCabron   2014 Jul 31, 1:06pm  

Call it Crazy says

In fact, you could fit those accomplishments on a small post-it-note and have a lot of space left over.

Hey, we can't all spend our lives wrecking companies, destroying jobs, and then use an alp of taxpayer money to stage a winter olympics!

10   Bm05211983   2014 Jul 31, 2:52pm  

Obama is a crook, socialist, left winged, welfare supporting terrorist.

11   Vicente   2014 Jul 31, 2:55pm  

sbh says

No one thinks about Romney anymore. They're busy with Sarah Palin's pay per view Repub porn channel. Sex with a moose will make stunts with a donkey (get it?) seem boring.

For some reason it never occurred to me before, to search for Sarah Palin porn images. All I can say is wow!

12   indigenous   2014 Jul 31, 2:59pm  

bgamall4 says

I am no fan of Obama, holding him responsible for the Sandy Hook Hoax, but he doesn't seek as much war as the Republicans surely would.

Horseshit, look at who caused the wars over the last century...

13   indigenous   2014 Jul 31, 3:01pm  

Vicente says

For some reason it never occurred to me before, to search for Sarah Palin porn images. All I can say is wow!

SBH got his medication mixed up again...

14   Ceffer   2014 Jul 31, 3:45pm  

What's this about Sarah Palin twerk decapitating a moose on Pay Per View?

That would show that she could grab our country's problems by the antlers.

15   Vicente   2014 Jul 31, 3:56pm  

I think it's high time Sarah Palin took it to the next level.

16   JH   2014 Jul 31, 4:00pm  

I wonder what the poll said in 2006.

17   Dan8267   2014 Jul 31, 4:26pm  

Vicente says

You jest, but Putin shares all of the Republicans' values. He's anti-gay, a religious zealot, has no problem violating the rights of women, is tough on crime where crime is anything that challenges his power, pretends to be a cowboy but comes off looking like a closeted homosexual, believes in strong-arming other nations with his military, doesn't give a rat's ass about the environment, sends the cops to beat up hippies, and lives in an all-white country.

To conservatives, he's like Jesus and Reagan put together in a single, delicious manwich.

18   Dan8267   2014 Jul 31, 4:28pm  

JH says

I wonder what the poll said in 2006.

We'll find out in four more years. - Sarah Palin

20   mmmarvel   2014 Jul 31, 11:26pm  

zzyzzx says

Americans are so down on President Obama at the moment

No, actually I've been sour on him since he took office on 1/20/2009.

21   tatupu70   2014 Aug 1, 12:04am  

mmmarvel says

No, actually I've been sour on him since he took office on 1/20/2009.

You liked him before he took office?

22   indigenous   2014 Aug 1, 12:29am  

Nice to hear Maher admitting he or his party have no idea what to do about the economy. It is a step up from most of the blather.

23   edvard2   2014 Aug 1, 12:54am  

indigenous says

who caused the wars over the last century...

We didn't "cause" WWI or WWII... sort of an important factoid wouldn't you say?

24   Y   2014 Aug 1, 1:02am  

I would have no problem with this.
That is the main reason obama is legislating through presidential decree.
In the olden daze laws were negotiated and passed.
Today it's all or nothing.
Obama is partially responsible for this, as he promised transparency in government, which he has not delivered.
Imagine a law being negotiated by the parties on cspan. Not the shit they broadcast now, but the behind the scenes stuff.
It would become obvious to the average voter if either party and/or congressman were not negotiating with sincerity. And they would have to take the consequences come election time.

edvard2 says

A: From the second a Republican gets elected make sure and gather up the entire Democratic party and tell them to sit on their hands and no matter what the GOP wants... to go against it and even if its legislation the Democrats formerly approved of or even came up with.

25   indigenous   2014 Aug 1, 1:04am  

edvard2 says

We didn't "cause" WWI or WWII... sort of an important factoid wouldn't you say?

The fact is it happened on a democrat's watch.

The fact is that the policy of the US democrats is always to instigate the war so it looks like the other side started it.

The fact is that this country would be vastly different if we never fought WW1

26   Y   2014 Aug 1, 1:07am  

If I were a federal judge, I'd shake my head back and forth...utterting "tsk" after "tsk", until finally blurting out...."This is Damning Evidence!"

indigenous says

edvard2 says

We didn't "cause" WWI or WWII... sort of an important factoid wouldn't you say?

The fact is it happened on a democrat's watch.

27   edvard2   2014 Aug 1, 1:10am  

indigenous says

The fact is it happened on a democrat's watch.

The fact is that the policy of the US democrats is always to instigate the war so it looks like the other side started it.

The fact is that this country would be vastly different if we never fought WW1

That's silly. So it happened when a Democrat was president. So what? What is your point? You previously said they "caused" it and now its simply that they were president "during" that time? Like what the hell?

You really, really need to study your history because in both cases of WW1 and WW2 we did not want to get involved period. Both WW1 and 2 had been going on literally for years before we got involved. In both instances the country was completely pacifist because the wars were seen as European problems.

Yes- you would be correct that if the United States had not intervened in WW2 the country would be a totally different place: The Germans has plans in the works that after the defeat of Europe, we were next.

28   edvard2   2014 Aug 1, 1:17am  

SoftShell says

I would have no problem with this.

That is the main reason obama is legislating through presidential decree.

In the olden daze laws were negotiated and passed.

Today it's all or nothing.

Obama is partially responsible for this, as he promised transparency in government, which he has not delivered.

Well at least you are showing some of the folks here why the president is having to use executive powers to get crap done because half of the people he works with decided to do nuttin'. Funny that now the people not doing their jobs are all in a tussy about him doing the job for them.

29   indigenous   2014 Aug 1, 1:17am  

edvard2 says

That's stupid. So it happened when a Democrat was president. So what?

That is the point you dumb ass

edvard2 says

You previously said they "caused" it

Both

edvard2 says

You really, really need to study your history because in both cases of WW1 and WW2 we did not want to get involved period. Both WW1 and 2 had been going on literally for years before we got involved.

Yup that is what the press releases stated, but you have to look at the facts of this issue.

edvard2 says

Yes- you would be correct that if the United States had not intervened in WW2

No dumb fuck I said WW1

You need to educate yourself about the real causes of both wars, not the perfunctory crap they put in history books. E.G. the real Abe Lincoln, or look at the effects of Wilson and what he has done, much of it was possible because of WW1.

I'm not your nanny so if you are interested in the facts go looking.

30   JH   2014 Aug 1, 1:19am  

Most recessions happened on a republicans watch...just sayin

31   indigenous   2014 Aug 1, 1:24am  

JH says

Most recessions happened on a republicans watch...just sayin

Hmm that was a pretty big one on FDR's watch?

Bush should have never done the TARP, but O would have made FDR proud in how he has extended this one.

Recessions happen no matter what it is how the hubris gets involved and extends it that matters.

32   edvard2   2014 Aug 1, 1:26am  

indigenous says

That is the point you dumb ass

No... you didn't have a point. The only points you seem to be making is your own made-up history.indigenous says

You need to educate yourself about the real causes of both wars, not the perfunctory crap they put in history books. E.G. the real Abe Lincoln, or look at the effects of Wilson and what he has done, much of it was possible because of WW1.

I'm not your nanny so if you are interested in the facts go looking.

Listen up dude, I don't need to go "educate" myself on right-wing revisionist history. I had relatives who actually fought in those wars and were there and didn't need some bullshit nonsense to tell them what it was all about. I also have quite a few relatives, some in their 90's, who VERY much know all about WW2 and so on because they had to actually live through it.

And yes- I have no problem admitting that I mis-read your comment in the end about WW1, but the same would have been true had we as a country not intervened.

I am rather tired of this seemingly incredulous pattern of people, particularly on the right, trying to re-write history so that it better fits their precious ideologies. I can definitely assure you that none of my Grandfathers, Uncles and other relatives who fought in those wars would give one flying fuck about some made-up nonsense in wars they had to fight in.

And lastly.... Calling people names online is lame.

33   edvard2   2014 Aug 1, 1:27am  

indigenous says

Hmm that was a pretty big one on FDR's watch?

Uhh... no. The depression started under the watch of Hoover who was in office for a full 4 years of the depression

34   indigenous   2014 Aug 1, 1:33am  

edvard2 says

Uhh... no. The depression started under the watch of Hoover who was in office for a full 4 years of the depression

So FDR had nothing to do with extending it?

You are clueless...

35   edvard2   2014 Aug 1, 1:38am  

indigenous says

So FDR had nothing to do with extending it?

You are clueless...

Let's go back and see exactly what you said before:indigenous says

Hmm that was a pretty big one on FDR's watch?

So yes- you basically said it "happened" under his watch. As I correctly pointed out.... wrong. The cause and the amplification happened under Hoover. One of the biggest reasons the depression was as bad as it was is because Hoover decided that it would be a good idea to setup protective barriers from imports which in turn caused a devastating trade war between the US and Europe. This was a knee-jerk reaction the initial crash. Seeing as how we were a very large manufacturing-based economy this further crippled the entire economy. Had the protective barriers not been put in place the depression would most likely have abated within a few years, not the decade-long debacle it turned into.

So as a result the depression became much more severe. Frankly I am less concerned about "Who" was President when historical events happened. But when I see a response that is historically inaccurate I will make a response to correct that claim...

36   indigenous   2014 Aug 1, 1:41am  

Still clueless

37   edvard2   2014 Aug 1, 1:47am  

indigenous says

Still clueless

Oh- just because you say so? If I'm so clueless then how is it that you're not really backing up any of your claims? Its really easy to just type "You're clueless". Ok... two can play at that game....

You are clueless. There. I guess I must be right. Rather than have a debate, let's just say me/you are wrong. Yes... that's very constructive.

38   indigenous   2014 Aug 1, 1:49am  

No I just don't have the time to waste on something you will not hear. But you are less than ignorant on the subject

39   edvard2   2014 Aug 1, 2:07am  

indigenous says

No I just don't have the time to waste on something you will not hear. But you are less than ignorant on the subject

Why not? We've spent a large quantity of time on the subject at hand already. I've stated my historical observations on both the depression and the subsequent war following it. That period was the most transformational period in our history due to the collusion of several major factors:

A: The US went from being a minor to major superpower
B: The US economy experienced an economic boom that had never been experienced before.
C: There were few protections for financial firms, consumers and banks.
D: Europe was heating up in regards to the causes of WW2

So the economy crashed, there was a run on the banks, people lost their money, banks and financial firms closed shop, we threw up protective barriers and at the same time our depression caused more economic calamity in Europe, further exacerbating the lack of stability which it had not fully recovered from WW1 yet.

So putting all of that together was the perfect storm. No president would have been able of making much of an impact on the initial severity of the depression. But scholars and economists have long maintained that putting up trade barriers was perhaps the single cause which made the then recession into a depression. Was it the fault of "The GOP"? Not necessarily. There were too many factors ranging from the lack of financial protections, lack of oversight, and lack of even basic understanding of how the system worked from the everyday citizen.

Let me just put it this way: The depression and WW2 were the two most tumultuous periods in the last century. The level of poverty and outright devastation of the depression were as such that nobody who didn't live through it would understand. I've only heard from my Grandparents what it was like... and it was truly awful. For example their fridges were always full of food and they stockpiled food in pantries too. A direct result of their experiences and the desire to never be hungry again.

Likewise WW2 was the absolute horror of horrors. The relatives of mine who fought in it would never talk about it. As in one was in Iwo Jima. I can't imagine what he went through.

I feel passionate about the history of these events because of the sacrifice my family and millions of others made. What would I do if I were in those situations? I can't even imagine. But they deserve my utmost respect.

40   c6ae   2014 Aug 1, 2:09am  

bgamall4 says

I am no fan of Obama, holding him responsible for the Sandy Hook Hoax, but he doesn't seek as much war as the Republicans surely would.

The Sandy Hook HOAX?!?!

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