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Black & Veatch to build Californian hydrogen fuel station network


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2014 Aug 7, 4:18am   3,599 views  17 comments

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"The hydrogen refuelling stations will be located at existing petrol stations across Northern and Southern California. The stations represent a critical step in supporting greater adoption of zero-emission, hydrogen fuel cell technology for transportation. Vehicles that use hydrogen fuel cells create a chemical reaction with the hydrogen to generate electricity and power an electric motor. Clean water vapor is the only exhaust from the vehicle.

http://www.theconstructionindex.co.uk/news/view/black-and-veatch-to-build-californian-hydrogen-fuel-station-network

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1   MisdemeanorRebel   2014 Aug 7, 4:24am  

Damn, they're private. Can't short.

3   HydroCabron   2014 Aug 7, 4:34am  

This is great news - I am sick of tripping over huge platinum ingots in the street.

Every winter big chunks of platinum work their way to the surface in my yard. I pay a crew to haul several boulders of the stuff to the dump each spring - they use a hoist with a cable-mesh hammock to lift it all into the trucks.

4   John Bailo   2014 Aug 7, 4:38am  

HydroCabron says

platinum

Myth 2: Fuel Cell vehicles are expensive

Early FCV concepts cost more than the equivalent of R10-million to create, how has Toyota reduced production costs to make its FCV viable?

Toyota responds: "This used to be true; a prototype 2007 Toyota FCV reportedly cost more than R10-million to build. Advances in fuel cell manufacturing and catalyst performance have led to a dramatic cost decrease. According to the US Department of Energy, fuel cells will cost R321-R536/kw-hr of output by 2017, depending on production volume.

"To put this number in perspective, Tesla battery packs are estimated to cost over R2145 per kw-hr of output and may fall to R1502-R1877 per kw-hr by 2017. In all likelihood, fuel cell vehicles will cost less than battery electric vehicles by the end of the decade (barring some major decrease in battery costs, of course)."

http://www.wheels24.co.za/News/Toyota-Top-10-fuel-cell-myths-busted-20140807

5   Tenpoundbass   2014 Aug 7, 5:23am  

If only KERN created a quadrillion dollar particle accelerator that could fuse and create elements. Instead of the worlds most expensive "I told you so" that only smashes and destroys elements, so they can ponder the cool explosion. Then call it proof of global warming.

6   HydroCabron   2014 Aug 7, 5:31am  

CaptainShuddup says

If only KERN created a quadrillion dollar particle accelerator that could fuse and create elements. Instead of the worlds most expensive "I told you so" that only smashes and destroys elements, so they can ponder the cool explosion. Then call it proof of global warming.

Writing unhelpful, irrelevant comments is an art form.

You are the Michelango of that medium.

7   MisdemeanorRebel   2014 Aug 7, 7:09am  

If you plug in the car at night, forget increasing the Solar Power percentage in Electricity Production.

But Silly Con Valley will invent technology to generate Solar Power in the Western States at Midnight while your car is charging as you sleep

8   MisdemeanorRebel   2014 Aug 7, 7:14am  

The future of Commuting in America:
http://www.youtube.com/embed/GL5l3k7vBsk

Americans will do anything, anything to prevent that hellish reality. We'd switch to Flintstone Cars and run 20 miles to work before we'd bite the bullet on Public Transport.

9   Bellingham Bill   2014 Aug 7, 7:17am  

Just say NO to Internal Combustion!

Seriously, I don't like it.

Though CNG has its upside, for RVs at least. I like the idea of topping off say 6 20' tube tanks and going completely off-grid energy-wise for months.

10   New Renter   2014 Aug 7, 10:05am  

Bellingham Bill says

Just say NO to Internal Combustion!

Seriously, I don't like it.

What's wrong with IC?

11   New Renter   2014 Aug 7, 10:26am  

Volvo has a MethaneDiesel truck now:

http://www.volvotrucks.com/trucks/global/en-gb/trucks/new-trucks/Pages/volvo-fm-methanediesel.aspx

Its based on a pilot diesel engine so it uses a small charge of conventional diesel fuel to spark a methane/air charge within the cylinder. Usually only 10-20% of the energy comes from the diesel fuel, the rest comes from the methane. These type of engines typically have the fuel economy and power characteristics of a traditional diesel engine but the fuel costs and emissions of a natural gas engine.

Now imagine this with technology developed for personal vehicles.

THIS is what hydrogen is up against.

12   MisdemeanorRebel   2014 Aug 7, 10:38am  

I like how we say "Biomass Diesel", when we should say "Oilwell Diesel"

Rudolph Diesel designed the engine to run off vegetable oil in the first place, so farmers could grow their own fuel for their tractors.

Jatropha and Algae, bitches.

14   thenuttyneutron   2014 Aug 7, 12:00pm  

H2 probably is the future but it will use the proven Internal Combustion Engine technology that everyone is currently using with gasoline. The problem is not in the storage of H2. The main problem is finding the energy inputs that will make the H2 cheap enough to use as a fuel.

Like gasoline, H2 is just an energy storing material that releases it's energy content by burning it with the air.

15   New Renter   2014 Aug 7, 12:57pm  

thenuttyneutron says

H2 probably is the future but it will use the proven Internal Combustion Engine technology that everyone is currently using with gasoline. The problem is not in the storage of H2. The main problem is finding the energy inputs that will make the H2 cheap enough to use as a fuel.

Like gasoline, H2 is just an energy storing material that releases it's energy content by burning it with the air.

I disagree. Hydrogen as a chemical energy storage medium is inferior in too many ways.

16   MisdemeanorRebel   2014 Aug 7, 2:51pm  

New Renter says

thunderlips11 says

Jatropha

Not so much:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2012/08/22/159391553/how-a-biofuel-dream-called-jatropha-came-crashing-down

Interesting!

There's only one way to free up more fertile land for biofuels.

Eat Banker Face!

17   Bellingham Bill   2014 Aug 7, 4:28pm  

thenuttyneutron says

The main problem is finding the energy inputs that will make the H2 cheap enough to use as a fuel.

shows natgas has a per-BTU cost about 1/6 of diesel right now.

So it's a cheap enough feedstock, that was the idea behind Bush's "Freedom Car"

http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2003/01/20030130-20.html

But we should abandon fossil fuels entirely. Let's go with smart cars.

I was happy to see Obama propose this

http://www.inrixtraffic.com/blog/2014/smarter-driving-stronger-economy/

recently; this is the sort of thing government does well, coordinate nascent technology development (just like how they invented the internet for us).

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