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SoftShell says

This was entirely predictable when you flood an understaffed and overcharging healthcare system with 12 million additional patients, something had to give.

The "overcharging" part is what interests me.

I don't believe anyone can claim that our hospitals and physicians lack money.

In light of the sickened health care workers I find the jokes here on the forum by our resident progressives somewhat tactless considering that Obola really fucked this one up and is nowhere to be seen with any measures. He is the fucking president. There is not a single scandal they haven't made fun of and tried to shift the blame. Maybe one scandal to focus on was hyperbolic, but how many fucking scandals has this administration had, countless.

And again, why are Ebola patients being continually flown to high population density cities in the US? Just step into any urban or suburban hospital, they can't even get the triage stuff right, nevermind deal with a major outbreak situation.

If they wanted to do some 'Ebola rescue' mission, shouldn't it be in some high security military quarantine facility?

This response to Ebola is at best, amateurish.

Fly them to LA and the Bay Area, and Helsinki.
It will become priority number one in the world.

All the Ebola reports in the U.S. are BULLSHIT! G.W.Bush & the Rep/Con/Teas secured all borders & air travel.
Everyone knows what a great job they did on 9/11.
Besides Ebola, "Don't mess with Texas" all the cowboys will pop a cap in your ass. I'm sure gun lovers can stop any epidemic. Eat lead,Pandemics.

Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital.
All the Bible Belters have to do is pray & they shall be healed.There isn't any need for any health insurance. If one believes,they shall be healed.
If one is not healed,it must be the will of God

67% of the people surveyed said they would NOT vote for Hillary Clinton.

Just a few months ago, 67% of the people surveyed said they would vote for her. Lying about hope and change is one thing. But no voter wants to die.

Well except for 33% of the voting public.

See what happens when you forbid unions? A PLAGUE!

Nurses don't hold the purse strings to fund Hazmat equipment out the yinyang. If they were working with plain masks at the beginning, then that's all the bean counters funded and had on hand. Ooops!

The nurses at the Dallas hospital didn't have a union, and thus no protection. Several reached out to the national union because they've been warned by management that talking to the press will get them fired. Bet they wish they had one now!

Vicente says

This is Texas, and the Nurses Union doesn't hold the purse strings to fund Hazmat equipment out the yinyang. If they were working with plain masks at the beginning, then that's all the bean counters funded and had on hand. Ooops!

The president along with a CDC team should have been in Texas the very same day Duncan was discovered. Instead the Liberals were all laughing hysterically at the GOP over Ebola fears.

Nice mid term policies.

There is power in a UUUUUUnnion...

There is power in a UUUUnnion...

Without one you're just a sclub...

Made to handle infectious patients

With little more than a plastic scrub...

So there you go folks Ebola is a Union problem.

Say you guys wouldn't happen to have an extra Unicorn I could use, would you?

CaptainShuddup says

The president along with a CDC team should have been in Texas the very same day Duncan was discovered.

Where was George Bush after Katrina? California, Coronado Island resort specifically. Presidents aren't supposed to lead the Fear and Panic Brigade. That's the job of Fox News.

Look we all know George was NOT his Father.

HW Bush toured every disaster the same day that they happened.

It was under the thumb of Obamacare in a state that has made every effort to resist implementing it?

In Texas, I would call that UNBELIEVABLE. Meaning here, not surprise/shock, but that it's a fanciful claim that only an idiot would believe.

You know what we need? Another government shutdown, that'll fix it.

Vicente says

It was under the thumb of Obamacare in a state that has made every effort to resist implementing it?

Are you saying "No Obamacare" then "No OSHA and CDC for YOU!"?

The Liberals are like the cable company they come with 100 different ways to charge or deny taxpayers for the same service.

Perhaps we should call in the UN and let them occupy us while Washington sorts out the proper direct of the finger pointing.

Ask the Kids to leave the room and call in the adults.

Yes Vincent go to Washington and shut down the Government Obama's in another jam he can't monologue his way out of.

Call it Crazy says

It will not spread here, go ask Rew, he'll tell you!

Ebola is not very contagious but it is highly infectious. Health care workers are and always have been the most susceptible to further transmissions, as has been seen in every other outbreak.

The picture posted at the top of this thread is absolutely NOT Ebola:
http://virologydownunder.blogspot.com/2014/08/fake-ebola-virus-disease-images.html

There may be small localized secondary transmissions in the US for something as infectious as Ebola, but there are very low odds it has a massive outbreak here. Even if it does, we have some of the world leading experts on the disease, some of the first experimental treatments being used in the field, and first rate healthcare which can gear up and accommodate isolation of large numbers of people.

We also have a public hyper-awareness of the disease (sigh). If there is an outbreak in a town or city, sad to say, there will be major panic, people will close their doors for about a month ... and you know what, that really will stop the rate of transmissions ... even though it is a gross over-reaction.

Horrible disease, but there is way way too much false information and drummed up horror around it.

Regardless of which president, or controlling political faction was present in the lead up to this outbreak, there would have been no greater or lesser improvements to the healthcare system to cope with Ebola. Ebola is an exotic. You don't prepare for it ... it comes ... and you deal based on what you have.

I don't think anyone is going to hop a plane from a Western first world country, to Africa, so they can be treated if they contract Ebola. What more proof do you need that you are sitting in one of the best countries in the world to deal with, and treat, and incurable exotic disease?

CaptainShuddup says

Are you saying "No Obamacare" then "No OSHA and CDC for YOU!"?

"As you know, ah, you go to war with the army you have---not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time." - Donald Rumsfeld.

They didn't have proper training or equipment on hand, they did the best they could improvise. Instead of endless finger-pointing, the Fox News crews should be VENERATING the healthcare workers who undertook this dangerous job.

Here's your trophy.

Vicente says

Instead of endless finger-pointing, the Fox News crews should be VENERATING the healthcare workers who did this dangerous job

Wow.

Why doesn't Fox News support our troops?

Nah he needs a bong in his hand rather than a football.

The tinfoil lined helmet is spot on though.

thunderlips11 says

There is power in a UUUUUUnnion...

There is power in a UUUUnnion...

Without one you're just a sclub...

Made to handle infectious patients

With little more than a plastic scrub...

How can you be well read yet so ignorant of economics?

Vicente says

"As you know, ah, you go to war with the army you have---not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time." - Donald Rumsfeld.

They didn't have proper training or equipment on hand, they did the best they could improvise. Instead of endless finger-pointing, the Fox News crews should be VENERATING the healthcare workers who undertook this dangerous job.

Correct Vincent, but you do realize a lot of credibility moments were squandered by the passive aggressive response(or lack there of) when it first came to light. It's just hard to even fathom that while the Left was chastising all of the Idiots for fearmongering a virtually harmless pathogen, Obama secretly had a crack pot team on it, flying them out at that exact moment.

TO everyone else the response seemed like a Tim Conway Taxi driver skit on the Carol Burnett show at best.

Where Tim Conway plays the Taxi driver . Basically a customer jumps in the back of the taxi and frantically says his destination. Tim turns the meter on, looks in the rear view mirror to comb his hair, adjusts the mirror back to see rear view traffic, adjusts the side view mirror and notices his hat isn't on, so he then grabs his Old Timey Serviceman hat, pause then adjust the brim of him hat, then again to straighten the hat, then he adjusts the mirror to see for driving. It just seemed the passenger was never going to get to where he was going with that guy driving.

Notice how both infections occurred when the patient was highly symptomatic, yet none (so far) are known among those on the plane with the original victim, nor in the apartment he shared, even though he had a fever for at least 3 days during that time.

It seems the experts may be correct: the likelihood of infection varies markedly with how far gone the patient is.

Call it Crazy says

Dallas nurses cite sloppy conditions in Ebola care

I have to say I'm impressed by the extraordinary incompetence of the CDC.

We were told Ebola had no chance of propagating in the west.

I thought a case of Ebola would be attended by CDC swat teams wearing heavy protection gears....

I was expecting them to be heavy handed and keep everyone involved isolated for 3 weeks - just to make sure they destroy quickly any chance of propagation.

Instead what do we see: flimsy protections, no clear methods or training, 2 nurses contaminated while treating a single patient, no follow up, contaminated nurses taking planes.

This is a joke. If that is how it goes we will soon have 1000 deads every day in the US.

The problem right now is, there's no place that people would have confidence in going to. If they feared that they might have come in contact with someone at certain locations at certain time. Where people could be isolated and screened. Our Hospitals should be the last place Ebola suspects show up at.
I've seen enough Movies in my time, and have seen enough non issue News events since questionable Anthrax news event that happened post 911. To know that we can erect whole Bubble Cities in hours when it comes to dealing with biological threats. The government already displayed that we are capable, when they wanted to control our fears. But now that the situation calls for it...

"Well Oh, Ah, Uh, we're just ill equipped to deal with anything like this!"

Heraclitusstudent says

I was expecting them to be heavy handed and keep everyone involved isolated for 3 weeks - just to make sure they destroy quickly any chance of propagation.

Instead what do we see: flimsy protections, no clear methods or training, 2 nurses contaminated while treating a single patient, no follow up, contaminated nurses taking planes.

This is a joke. If that is how it goes we will soon have 1000 deads every day in the US.

This sounds like the work of Corporate America. Only Corporate America would take an MBA-ologist approach to a deadly disease in a major metropolitan area.

Heraclitusstudent says

Instead what do we see: flimsy protections, no clear methods or training, 2 nurses contaminated while treating a single patient, no follow up, contaminated nurses taking planes.

The CDC bit it, and that hospital bit it multiple ways: send the guy home at first, then poor protective measures when he was recognized and isolated.

Texas has low regulations, a massive tort-reform law preventing settlements above $250K, and negligible state taxes.

Why didn't the hospital respond efficiently.

nobody claimed it was.
assumption is the mother of all fuckups.

Rew says

The picture posted at the top of this thread is absolutely NOT Ebola:

http://virologydownunder.blogspot.com/2014/08/fake-ebola-virus-disease-images.html

So I thank obamacare for protecting an additional 12 million people from ebola, and you call it a fanciful idiotic claim?
what? is ebola not covered under obamacare after all the massive premium increases??

Vicente says

It was under the thumb of Obamacare in a state that has made every effort to resist implementing it?

In Texas, I would call that UNBELIEVABLE. Meaning here, not surprise/shock, but that it's a fanciful claim that only an idiot would believe.

How long has this recent episode been raging in africa?
and you can't fathom it hitting our shores with modern transportation in place?
so you "don't prepare for it"????
this is the typical laissez-faire attitude that will initiate an ELE...

Rew says

Ebola is an exotic. You don't prepare for it ... it comes ... and you deal based on what you have

WaterGoat says

Why didn't the hospital respond efficiently.

The hospital is just random nurses and doctors with no experience in ebola and it's not their jobs to think about it before it happens.

On the other hand it is the job of the CDC. It is their jobs to have plans ready in case it happens. They had months to prepare and apparently there is absolutely no preparation.

This kind of problem tends to grow exponentially which is why it is critical to react strongly from the start. I don't see any reaction.

SoftShell says

nobody claimed it was.

assumption is the mother of all fuckups.

Rew says

The picture posted at the top of this thread is absolutely NOT Ebola:

http://virologydownunder.blogspot.com/2014/08/fake-ebola-virus-disease-images.html

So you don't have the decency to admit you google searched Ebola images, added the picture here for shock value, and instead are going to claim what ... "I'm just posting it to try and sucker and bait you."

Once again, your credibility tanks hard SoftShell.

SoftShell says

How long has this recent episode been raging in africa?

and you can't fathom it hitting our shores with modern transportation in place?

so you "don't prepare for it"????

this is the typical laissez-faire attitude that will initiate an ELE...

Rew says

Ebola is an exotic. You don't prepare for it ... it comes ... and you deal based on what you have

The point being made is you don't spend years bolstering your medical capabilities against a disease which has killed an insignificant number of people, in remote areas Africa, before 2014. To have made that a national priority would be laughable.

You study the disease for what it is, but there are far bigger medical threats, even virological ones, in contrast to Ebola ... even now.

Incubation period for Ebola can be longer than 42 days. This from the WHO website press release.

"Recent studies conducted in West Africa have demonstrated that 95% of confirmed cases have an incubation period in the range of 1 to 21 days; 98% have an incubation period that falls within the 1 to 42 day interval. WHO is therefore confident that detection of no new cases, with active surveillance in place, throughout this 42-day period means that an Ebola outbreak is indeed over."

So, 2% could incubate longer than 42 days? And 5% longer than the 21 days we've been told was Ebola fact? No wonder this virus tends to flare up later after they isolate an outbreak.

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/ebola/14-october-2014/en/

Heraclitusstudent says

The hospital is just random nurses and doctors with no experience in ebola and it's not their jobs to think about it before it happens.

Ok, so someone enters the emergency room and the attending PA asks the patient, 'What do you think you've got?'

Patient: 'I was in west Africa and ppl around me were dying of this thing called Ebola'

PA:'Oh, well that's probably like Malaria or something. Here's some laramin. Please come back in a few days if you don't feel better'

Rin says

PA:'Oh, well that's probably like Malaria or something. Here's some laramin. Please come back in a few days if you don't feel better'

Thank goodness for tort reform.

I would hate to think of that poor, well-intentioned hospital having to pay out more than $250K per death. Particularly tragic would be the loss of any hospital administrators' jobs; I can think of nothing worse than totally incompetent assholes being held responsible for putting profits ahead of human lives.

Rin says

Patient: 'I was in west Africa and ppl around me were dying of this thing called Ebola'

PA:'Oh, well that's probably like Malaria or something. Here's some laramin. Please come back in a few days if you don't feel better'

Hindsight is 20/20. They were in their routine of sending sick people back home and they did something stupid. This I can understand.

What's inexcusable is to manage to contaminate 2 nurses - out of pure negligence - when you know you are treating a guy with ebola. And then worse, let these nurses travel etc... Where were the hazmat suits and bleach baths at the exit? It should have been taken care of by a CDC specially trained team, not local nurses.

WaterGoat says

I can think of nothing worse than totally incompetent assholes being held responsible for putting profits ahead of human lives.

Heraclitusstudent says

What's inexcusable is to manage to contaminate 2 nurses - out of pure negligence

Welcome to Corporate America.

Call it Crazy says

Rew says

What more proof do you need that you are sitting in one of the best countries in the world to deal with, and treat, and incurable exotic disease?

I'm sure EVERY nurse in that Dallas hospital will agree with you.

There is a difference in being ready and confidant versus being capable and able. They will get there. Our capacity to deal with this is far above West Africa's it's not even much of a comparison.