patrick.net

In looking at the latest government data available, my co-author and I found the following: In 2012, there were more than twice as many people with STEM degrees (immigrants and native-born) as there were STEM jobs — 5.3 million STEM jobs vs. 12.1 million people with STEM degrees. Only one-third of natives who have a STEM degree and have a job work in a STEM occupation. There are 1.5 million native-born Americans with engineering degrees not working as engineers, as well as half a million with technology degrees, 400,000 with math degrees, and 2.6 million with science degrees working outside their field. In addition, there are 1.2 million natives with STEM degrees who are not working.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/378334/what-stem-shortage-steven-camarota

Currently, U.S. colleges graduate far more scientists and engineers than find employment in those fields every year — about 200,000 more — while the IT industry fills about two-thirds of its entry-level positions with guest workers.

At the same time, IT wages have stagnated for over a decade. We cannot expect to build a strong STEM workforce and encourage domestic innovation by developing policies that undermine the quality of STEM jobs. Before asking government to intervene in labor markets by handing out more guest worker visas and green cards to STEM graduates, we should ask for audits of shortage claims and workforce impacts as a first step toward developing evidence-based policy on this issue, an issue critical to the nation’s future.

Asking domestic graduates, both native-born and immigrant, to compete with guest workers on wages is not a winning strategy for strengthening U.S. science, technology and innovation.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/making-sense/the-bogus-high-tech-worker-sho/

So, more STEM degrees than jobs.

Not a surprise when you have a bottom-feeder economy dedicated to creating as few jobs as possible, outsourcing and insourcing whenever possible, and keeping wages flat whenever possible.

indigenous says

This means quit borrowing to fund the budget, only possible because of the reserve currency status.

And quit offering H1-Bs, right? Since that is government intervention that alters the market price for labor.
Blurtman says

People vote primarily to improve the lot of their own kind. Recall the outrage surrounding property tax dollars going to fund education in California for the brown skinned folks, which resulted in Proposition 13.

This is why the Multi Cult is a terrible thing. We already have two disadvantaged minority groups that need a leg up, plus plenty of our own White hillbillies too. Why are we adding to our burden? Especially when we're having trouble with labor participation overall?

Multi Cults are a cornerstone feature of Empires, and Empires collapse from their inconsistences and their inability to provide for their core, dare I say White, population.

Europe is experiencing the same thing - the Left loses because it kowtows to the Multi Cult while ignoring the Native Whites, and especially Poor White Males, who are generally insulted and mocked if mentioned. You see it with UKIP, with Jobbik, with Marie Le Pen.

thunderlips11 says

Multi Cults are a cornerstone feature of Empires, and Empires collapse from their inconsistences and their inability to provide for their core, dare I say White, population.

Europe is experiencing the same thing - the Left loses because it kowtows to the Multi Cult while ignoring the Native Whites, and especially Poor White Males, who are generally insulted if mentioned. You see it with UKIP, with Jobbik, with Marie Le Pen.

That is not true.

The bottom line on it is debt. With as much inertia as the US has or Rome had they can do some really fucking stupid stuff and not suffer for it. But eventually the inertia will fade as will the US economy. That list, I posted is the touchstone.

Indigenous, read a bit of Sam Huntington.

From the Clash of Civilizations to Davos Man, the 1%er Neoliberal without loyalty to his own Nation, the man has been spot on.

I say this when I disagree with him politically on many issues.

thunderlips11 says

Indigenous, read a bit of Sam Huntington.

Read this article, it might put what you are saying in context?

http://mises.org/daily/6959/War-Making-and-Class-Conflict

Blurtman says

People vote primarily to improve the lot of their own kind

That is the most puzzling phenomenon of all. In a capitalist society this tribal instinct should be extremely muted if not outright submerged, yet in politics we find that it manifests itself time and time again.

thunderlips11 says

Europe is experiencing the same thing - the Left loses because it kowtows to the Multi Cult while ignoring the Native Whites, and especially Poor White Males, who are generally insulted and mocked if mentioned. You see it with UKIP, with Jobbik, with Marie Le Pen.

I've told Dem friends of mine that the party has got to drop its support of affirmative action. The movers and shakers in the Dem party are not adversely affected and many are positively affected by affirmative action. Poor and lower working class whites are adversely affected.

Another case of iberals having someone else pay to get their rocks off.

dublin hillz says

Blurtman says

People vote primarily to improve the lot of their own kind

That is the most puzzling phenomenon of all. In a capitalist society this tribal instinct should be extremely muted if not outright submerged, yet in politics we find that it manifests itself time and time again.

What's capitalism got to do with it? People are people.

Blurtman says

Comparing Nordic countries to the USA is an inapt comparison.

Plus there's 25 million of them, all probably no more than three or four degrees of being related to each other resulting in tremendous social trust as opposed to 300 plus million of us from every tribe that ever existed with half trying to figure out how to game the system.

Blurtman says

dublin hillz says

Blurtman says

People vote primarily to improve the lot of their own kind

That is the most puzzling phenomenon of all. In a capitalist society this tribal instinct should be extremely muted if not outright submerged, yet in politics we find that it manifests itself time and time again.

What's capitalism got to do with it? People are people.

Because in capitalism, in princple, it's supposed to be every man or every family for itself. Thus, even people of the same skin color/culture are potential competitors for resources to be secured/obtained. Ironically, in western europe which has a more collectivist ethic vs U.S., people are much more likely to vote in their class interest as opposed to here where people routinely vote against their economic self interest due to unresolved racial tensions.

I'm not really talking about Class Conflict here, but rather Identity Conflict. That "Davos Man" and the international MBA crowd see themselves as "above" petty national concerns and as Internationalists. They consider anything for the benefit of the Citizens of a Country to be base and ignorant, no matter how tepid or minor - except, of course, when motivating those citizens to support a "Police Action" somewhere. Oh, and anything that is no cost to them, like pro/anti- Gay Rights and Abortion. Those are to be used as levers to distract the populace with eternal Theological/Philosophical debates while pursuing Neoliberal goals.

I disagree with the article, but I'm gonna skip it for now because it's slightly different than what I'm about with Identity.

Turks = Mexicans.

Blurtman says

I've told Dem friends of mine that the party has got to drop its support of affirmative action. The movers and shakers in the Dem party are not adversely affected and many are positively affected by affirmative action. Poor and lower working class whites are adversely affected.

Another case of iberals having someone else pay to get their rocks off.

Exactly. And it'll be worse now that out/in-sourcing is attacking STEM careers, where STEM people probably somewhat lean democratic to begin with.

Poor Blacks AND Whites (and Native Americans) are absolutely slammed by immigration, since it keeps wages at the bottom jobs low while creating more competition for them.

thunderlips11 says

That "Davos Man" and the international MBA crowd see themselves as "above" petty
national concerns and as Internationalists

"National sovereignty" has been used by despots to justify crimes against humanity against their own people while they enjoy all spoils that absolute power brings.

thunderlips11 says

I'm not really talking about Class Conflict here, but rather Identity Conflict. That "Davos Man" and the international MBA crowd see themselves as "above" petty national concerns and as Internationalists.

I don't see any difference. You are dimissing, without cosidering a profound point. Which I don't, think you philisophically disagree with.

dublin hillz says

"National sovereignty" has been used by despots to justify crimes against humanity against their own people while they enjoy all spoils that absolute power brings.

Yes. But the point here is that Davos Men/International MBAs don't care about crimes against humanity, so long as the bottom line is fine - even against their own people.

Trade has also been used by criminals, like the Opium War. Or the entire conquest of India.

For example, our unparalleled World #1 incarceration rate to fuel private prisons, while allied with a country that lashes rape victims, while demonizing another for putting a few national monument vandals in jail for a few months.

indigenous says

I don't see any difference. You are dimissing, without cosidering a profound point. Which I don't, think you philisophically disagree with.

I'm not dismissing - I'm not interested in exploring class issues at this point in the thread (I will in another thread if you want later) - though that certainly has something to do with it. I'm more interested in other aspects of identity like ethnicity and citizenship for Sam Huntington's point about a Clash of Civs and International Men.

thunderlips11 says

I'm not dismissing - I'm not interested in exploring class issues

The article in not about class issues!

indigenous says

The article in not about class issues!

It's the fundamental point of the article:

We thus arrive at a universal, praxeological truth about war. War is the outcome of class conflict inherent in the political relationship — the relationship between ruler and ruled, parasite and producer, tax-consumer and taxpayer.

I'm happy to refute it - later - but right now I am interested in exploring how the "International Men" or "Neoliberals" consider themselves "Citizens of the World" and don't care about their own populations' well being and pursue strategies directly detrimental to them.

thunderlips11 says

We thus arrive at a universal, praxeological truth about war. War is the outcome of class conflict inherent in the political relationship — the relationship between ruler and ruled, parasite and producer, tax-consumer and taxpayer.

It is about the creation of the class conflict, not the conflict itself.

indigenous says

Don't disagree but the current education system is FUBAR and getting worse.

At least that's what the propagandists tell you.

What's happening is the underclass is growing, and our public schools don't work well for these groups, because they are geographically together, and going to schools comprised almost entirely of kids from poor homes, often highly dysfunctional poor homes does not work.

For middle class and upper middle class, our public schools are as good or probably better than they were 30 or 50 years ago.

humanity says

What's happening is the underclass is growing, and our public schools don't work well for these groups, because they are geographically together, and going to schools comprised almost entirely of kids from poor homes, often highly dysfunctional poor homes does not work.

For middle class and upper middle class, our public schools are as good or probably better than they were 30 or 50 years ago.

Good point, OTOH what about the Fed uniform testing?

Not a big fan of NCLB ,or standardized testing in general, usually done by the state, but those have always been there. For the good schools, the problem with these tests is mostly the wasted time and money, both of which could have been better spent.

But it's a complex issue. Some on the right want to privatize, or move towards merit pay or other government imposed reforms. All of these require testing to give us the data on which decisions can be based. Testing is the way the schools performance is measured and compared to other schools.

Meanwhile the people in the testing business are laughing their way to the bank.