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Liberals smarter, or more evolved ? Or both ?

By marcus follow marcus   2014 Nov 20, 11:16pm 18,349 views   62 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


Obviously if a person is liberal it doesn't follow that they are smart. But we do know that if someone is extremely intelligent, they are far more likely to be liberal than conservative.

An interesting theory that makes a lot of sense attributes this to evolution.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/02/26/liberals.atheists.sex.intelligence/

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201003/why-liberals-are-more-intelligent-conservatives

Liberals do control the media, or the show business, or the academia, among other institutions, because, apart from a few areas in life (such as business) where countervailing circumstances may prevail, liberals control all institutions. They control the institutions because liberals are on average more intelligent than conservatives and thus they are more likely to attain the highest status in any area of (evolutionarily novel) modern life.

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23   Strategist   ignore (2)   2014 Nov 21, 9:24am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

indigenous says

The subject is called Thomisms.

Actually Thomas Aquinas proved God exists through logic, and that there is only one.

I don't think the scientists of NASA, and the Noble prize winners buy into his logic. They are still almost entirely atheists.

24   Strategist   ignore (2)   2014 Nov 21, 9:29am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

bgamall4 says

The Israeli division of the globalists can't even fix the Palestinian problem. That is proof intelligence isn't the issue.

To fix the Palestinian problem would require fixing the Islamic problem, which is a worldwide problem. The so called "smart liberals" think the best way to fix the problem is to be nice to cold blooded Islamist terrorists.

25   Strategist   ignore (2)   2014 Nov 21, 11:31am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bgamall4 says

Strategist says

bgamall4 says

The Israeli division of the globalists can't even fix the Palestinian problem. That is proof intelligence isn't the issue.

To fix the Palestinian problem would require fixing the Islamic problem, which is a worldwide problem. The so called "smart liberals" think the best way to fix the problem is to be nice to cold blooded Islamist terrorists.

BS. Fixing the Palestinian problem is a question of justice. And Israel has proven justice is not important to them. That is why they can't rule the world.

What about the following problems?
Russia - Chechnya Islamic problem.
China - Xinjian (or however they spell it) Islamic problem?
India - Kashmir Islamic problem
Phillipines - Islamic problem
Thailand - Islamic problem
Rest of the world - Islamic problem

Don't you realize this is exactly same problem Israel has?

26   Strategist   ignore (2)   2014 Nov 21, 11:33am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bgamall4 says

zzyzzx says

bgamall4 says

Racism is rampant in conservative circles. For you to say liberals are racist proves you are the joke here

Racism is rampant in liberal circles. Their support for affirmative action proves it. That and everybody knows that blacks are the biggest racists in the US.

Oh, really? That is a trollish comment. I know who the biggest racists are in Israel. Want to discuss it?

He has a point. Affirmative action is a form of racism. I think it is necessary at times, but it is still racism.

27   Reality   ignore (5)   2014 Nov 21, 11:51am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Strategist says

Take the top 100 scientists at NASA...I'll be surprised if even 2 of them believe in God.

Same goes for the Noble Prize winners in economics, physics and medicine.

Being an atheist or agnostic does not necessarily mean one is "liberal." Some people may even be smart enough to realize that religion or superstition is a necessity for organizing a society by putting most people who are not too bright under self-censorship: such as the superstition that crime will get caught and punished. Even though only a tiny percentage of criminals actually get caught in most human society, the society falls apart when a large cross-section of the people lose that superstition.

28   Strategist   ignore (2)   2014 Nov 21, 12:05pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Reality says

Strategist says

Take the top 100 scientists at NASA...I'll be surprised if even 2 of them believe in God.

Same goes for the Noble Prize winners in economics, physics and medicine.

Being an atheist or agnostic does not necessarily mean one is "liberal." Some people may even be smart enough to realize that religion or superstition is a necessity for organizing a society by putting most people who are not too bright under self-censorship: such as the superstition that crime will get caught and punished. Even though only a tiny percentage of criminals actually get caught in most human society, the society falls apart when a large cross-section of the people lose that superstition.

That's a wonderful point you made, Reality. I would point out that in a well educated society you do not need religion, as the average person would be perfectly capable of deciphering the right from the wrong by using common sense.
Also, as religion is engraved in stone, it would be very difficult to persuade the average person that stoning a woman to death is not the way to go. (Islam)
The world needs what we have....democracy, and the ability to change the constitution with changing times. Religion does not allow us to do that.

29   Reality   ignore (5)   2014 Nov 21, 12:24pm     ↓ dislike (3)   quote   flag        

"Common sense is little more than the set of prejudices that one has acquired before the age of 17" -- Albert Einstein

What is right for one person, may well be wrong for another. Value is subjective.

Women are by nature hypergamous. A wife has every incentive to suck resources from the Betabux husband while secretly getting genetic material from the Alphafux. It is the most advantageous strategy for her own genes if she is not caught or faces no consequences when caught. Allowing her to then divorce rape the husband in a no-fault divorce essentially condemning him to life-long slavery for someone who cheated on him and has produced an offspring for someone else vs. stoning her to death are just two opposite extreme societal responses to the same biological/evolutionary problem. Each extreme probably finds the other abominable.

There is no right or wrong answer to the issue per se but only feedback loops: in a society that allows a woman to ride cock carousel while she is young then grudgingly marry to a Betabux husband just before she hits the wall, neither partner is excited about family life or children; whereas in the other society/group, women's reproductive capacity during their peak years is put to effective use. The result is Muslims replacing Europeans today just like Christians replaced secular Neoplatonists like Hypatia 1500+ years ago. The ending for Hypatia was not pretty and the fundamental reason was simply that people like her were out-bred for about 400 years after Christianity started teaching wives submitting to husbands while the rest of the Roman society embraced sexual revolution. Over 400 years, the latter group were displaced by Christians. The "Romans" disappeared because they committed genetic mass suicide.

Evolution / statistical law of large numbers applies to biological organisms as well as to social memes. There is no "right" or "wrong" by design; only the feedback loop and statistical law of large numbers can be the ultimate judge; "fitness" and social "morals" (the basis for legal codes) are only rationalizations for that which proves to work.

30   BlueSardine   ignore (3)   2014 Nov 21, 1:44pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

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31   indigenous   ignore (0)   2014 Nov 21, 3:25pm     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Strategist says

I don't think the scientists of NASA, and the Noble prize winners buy into his logic. They are still almost entirely atheists.

Your odds of running into Thomism is about the same as running into Austrian economics. Which might explain a couple of things?

It has to do with the unmoved mover, potentiality and actuality. From Aristotle whatever is moved is exterior to the thing that is being moved. Therefore the only thing that is fully actualized is exterior to this universe and this is God.

Not discussing how the universe got started or the cause of things.

And that God is monotheistic because if there is more that one of anything they have to be distinguishable from one another IOW they have to have potential which means they are not pure actuality. If they do have potential they are distinguishable, if they don't they are pure actualization and since they are indistinguishable there is not more than one of them.

http://www.schiffradio.com/pg/jsp/verticals/archive.jsp?dispid=310&pid=66973

32   indigenous   ignore (0)   2014 Nov 21, 3:30pm     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Reality says

The result is Muslims replacing Europeans today just like Christians replaced secular Neoplatonists like Hypatia 1500+ years ago.

Or Mexicans in the US?

33   Peter P   ignore (0)   2014 Nov 21, 9:38pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Smart people never really pick a side.

34   lostand confused   ignore (0)   2014 Nov 21, 9:55pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Peter P says

Smart people never really pick a side.

Bingo. I really don't find the appeal of identifying yourself to either party and then defending them no matter what.

35   BlueSardine   ignore (3)   2014 Nov 21, 10:13pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

It's really not about defense of a party, more like a measure of how much shit you can manufacture and sling.
The former is boring, the latter, entertaining.

lostand confused says

Bingo. I really don't find the appeal of identifying yourself to either party and then defending them no matter what.

36   Reality   ignore (5)   2014 Nov 21, 11:35pm     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

indigenous says

Reality says

The result is Muslims replacing Europeans today just like Christians replaced secular Neoplatonists like Hypatia 1500+ years ago.

Or Mexicans in the US?

The political establishment seems to have come to the conclusion that having the Mexicans filling the demographic hole created by post-modern 2nd/3rd-wave feminism is preferable to having the hole filled by native primitives (LBJ's great grand kids) or imported/converted muslims multiplying themselves. At least the Mexicans are Christians. The upper class is shifting to the happily breeding Mormons.

37   mell   ignore (3)   2014 Nov 22, 12:20am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

SoftShell says

I recommend going all in JCP.

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This is damning evidence..

38   Strategist   ignore (2)   2014 Nov 22, 12:28am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ceffer says

Saying your are smart and actually BEING smart are two complete and distinct things. Only liberals don't seem to be able to tell the difference.

Hey, you just described Dan.

39   Strategist   ignore (2)   2014 Nov 22, 12:35am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Peter P says

Smart people never really pick a side.

They follow the relevant issues, instead of the BS.

40   indigenous   ignore (0)   2014 Nov 22, 12:56am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Reality says

indigenous says

Reality says

The result is Muslims replacing Europeans today just like Christians replaced secular Neoplatonists like Hypatia 1500+ years ago.

Or Mexicans in the US?

The political establishment seems to have come to the conclusion that having the Mexicans filling the demographic hole created by post-modern 2nd/3rd-wave feminism is preferable to having the hole filled by native primitives (LBJ's great grand kids) or imported/converted muslims multiplying themselves. At least the Mexicans are Christians. The upper class is shifting to the happily breeding Mormons.

When this occurs does the country technologically regress?

41   Reality   ignore (5)   2014 Nov 22, 1:07am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Good question, Indigenous. It is important however to keep in mind what is the means vs. what is the end. Technology progress, religion, arts and music are all means to an end: eggs reproducing eggs. . . just like peacock eggs use a beautiful bird to reproduce eggs.

42   indigenous   ignore (0)   2014 Nov 22, 1:20am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Reality says

Technology progress, religion, arts and music are all means to an end: eggs reproducing eggs. . . just like peacock eggs use a beautiful bird to reproduce eggs.

It seems to me when ideas are exchanged through comparative advantage it leads to advancement of the standard of living, if they stop getting exchanged for what ever reason regression follows, as it did with Greece or Rome or China, followed by apparent regression. Rome was followed by the Dark ages even though the technology of Rome would have been available.?

43   Reality   ignore (5)   2014 Nov 22, 1:23am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Knowledge is lost very quickly when the knowledgeable class wed themselves to a set of ideologies that lead to genetic suicide, and they get displaced by people who breed but are not into knowledge. It would then take a long time for trade and knowledge acquisition to re-emerge as part of dominant culture.

44   indigenous   ignore (0)   2014 Nov 22, 1:26am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

A new Dark Ages for the West? While the East soars...

45   Reality   ignore (5)   2014 Nov 22, 1:29am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

More likely a global new Dark Age. The Far East is not breeding fast enough either, with declining native-born populations in most highly developed parts of Japan, Korea and China.

46   indigenous   ignore (0)   2014 Nov 22, 1:40am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Interesting. So Orwell had it right after all, not good.

47   CornPoptheOriginalGangster   ignore (5)   2014 Nov 22, 3:48am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says

Russia - Chechnya Islamic problem.

Not anymore! The Russians saved the urban Chechens from their hillbilly redneck cousins funded by Saudi Arabia.

Putie took care of 'em all, despite Saudi Arabia asking US Politicians ordering it's employees to complain and bitch the whole time he was doing it.

You see, when Chechen hillbillies bombed Russia, Russia utterly eradicated them from the Earth down to the last man. Even the final holdout gang was tracked down in the Caucasus and ambushed by Spetznaz.

When Saudi Arabians hit the WTC, US Politicians attacked Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Lybia and Syria, but not the homeland of the criminals.

Once upon a time a Russian diplomat was kidnapped by an Islamic Terror Group. The KGB grabbed some Wahabi clerics and sent some fingers every day their diplomat remained in their custody. He was handed back untouched on the 3rd day.

48   curious2   ignore (0)   2014 Nov 22, 11:23am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

thunderlips11 says

Once upon a time a Russian diplomat was kidnapped by an Islamic Terror Group. The KGB grabbed some Wahabi clerics and sent some fingers every day their diplomat remained in their custody. He was handed back untouched on the 3rd day.

I tried to find that story but couldn't. Do you have names or links?

49   carrieon   ignore (0)   2014 Nov 22, 11:38am     ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

Liberals could be alien. Read this.

The year was 1947. Some of you will recall that on July 8, 1947, a little more than 67 years ago, numerous witnesses claim that an Unidentified Flying Object, (UFO), with five aliens aboard, crashed onto a sheep and mule ranch just outside Roswell , New Mexico .

This is a well-known incident that many say has long been covered-up by the U.S. Air Force, as well as other Federal Agencies and Organizations .
However, what you may NOT know is that in the month of April, year 1948, nine months after the historic day, the following people were born:

Barrack Obama Sr.
Albert A. Gore, Jr.
Hillary Rodham
William J. Clinton
John F. Kerry
Howard Dean
Nancy Pelosi
Dianne Feinstein
Charles E. Schumer
Barbara Boxer
Joe Biden

I truly hope this bit of information clears up a lot of things for you. It certainly did for me.

And now you can stop wondering why they support the bill to help all Illegal Aliens.
__________________

50   curious2   ignore (0)   2014 Nov 22, 11:48am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

carrieon says

Barrack....

has only one r, and the father was born in 1934 and the son was born in 1961. If you want to copy and paste jokes, at least make them actually funny, instead of sad phony "conservative" memes.

51   Strategist   ignore (2)   2014 Nov 22, 1:39pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

thunderlips11 says

Strategist says

Russia - Chechnya Islamic problem.

Not anymore! The Russians saved the urban Chechens from their hillbilly redneck cousins funded by Saudi Arabia.

Putie took care of 'em all, despite Saudi Arabia asking US Politicians ordering it's employees to complain and bitch the whole time he was doing it.

You see, when Chechen hillbillies bombed Russia, Russia utterly eradicated them from the Earth down to the last man. Even the final holdout gang was tracked down in the Caucasus and ambushed by Spetznaz.

We need to outsource our Islamic problems to the Russians. We are total failures.
The human rights we give terrorists is the root cause of them flourishing.

52   Miike   ignore (0)   2014 Nov 23, 12:38am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

what a stupid thread...

53   Bigsby   ignore (10)   2014 Nov 23, 12:40am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bgamall4 says

thunderlips11 says

When Saudi Arabians hit the WTC, US Politicians attacked Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Lybia and Syria, but not the homeland of the criminals.

Bush was friends with the Saudis. And Israel was in on it too. That is why Larry Silverstein, who talked to Sharon every weekend, said the WTC7, the one not hit by a plane, was "pulled'.

You just can't help lying, can you?

54   Tenpoundbass   ignore (15)   2014 Nov 23, 4:12am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Miike says

what a stupid thread...

...this dimbulb of mine, I'm gonna let it shine.

55   Strategist   ignore (2)   2014 Nov 23, 7:00am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Bigsby says

bgamall4 says

thunderlips11 says

When Saudi Arabians hit the WTC, US Politicians attacked Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Lybia and Syria, but not the homeland of the criminals.

Bush was friends with the Saudis. And Israel was in on it too. That is why Larry Silverstein, who talked to Sharon every weekend, said the WTC7, the one not hit by a plane, was "pulled'.

You just can't help lying, can you?

He actually believes it all. You can't get any more honest than Gary.

56   zzyzzx   ignore (1)   2014 Nov 24, 3:25am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Seeing as to how the average IQ of black people is way lower than everyone else, it should be obvious that on average, liberals are substantially less intelligent that conservatives or moderates.

57   Strategist   ignore (2)   2014 Nov 24, 6:07am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bgamall4 says

No, but liberals should read this and realize that Obama is a Zionist, not a liberal. Or let me put it this way, his liberalism disguises his Zionism. Here is the essence of Zionism:

1. The idea that all the Arab states should be broken down, by Israel, into small units, occurs again and again in Israeli strategic thinking. For example, Ze'ev Schiff, the military correspondent of Ha'aretz (and probably the most knowledgeable in Israel, on this topic) writes about the "best" that can happen for Israeli interests in Iraq: "The dissolution of Iraq into a Shi'ite state, a Sunni state and the separation of the Kurdish part" (Ha'aretz 6/2/1982). Actually, this aspect of the plan is very old.

That's a great idea. I'm all for it. If we divide them into little pieces, we will be able to conquer them easily.
Your Evil Zionist friend - Strategist

59   BlueSardine   ignore (3)   2014 Nov 25, 10:40pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

When a group of people choose a community organizer with no experience running anything or voting on anything, to lead the worlds only superpower with all the associated life and death risks that come with every decision made by this person....well....actions speak louder than words.

marcus says

Obviously if a person is liberal it doesn't follow that they are smart. But we do know that if someone is extremely intelligent, they are far more likely to be liberal than conservative.

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