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Putin is square with the house, it's Obama that turned out to be an asshole.

Putin Q&A for 3 hours, including hostiles in Audience, Call ins and from hostile Reporters. Unscripted, off the cuff. Even Khokhol Haters working for the OligarchFree Media of Ukraine..
http://www.youtube.com/embed/ejVXBEg52-4

Let me know when a US President does so, even in an election debate. Every American "Town Hall" question in the past few decades is written, accepted (or rejected) and answered by a professional team of handlers days in advance by the candidates.

Which country has the authentic democracy?

thunderlips11 says

Putin Q&A for 3 hours, including hostiles in Audience, Call ins and from hostile Reporters. Unscripted, off the cuff. Even Khokhol Haters working for the OligarchFree Media of Ukraine..

Let me know when a US President does so, even in an election debate. Every American "Town Hall" question in the past few decades is written, accepted (or rejected) and answered by a professional team of handlers days in advance by the candidates.

Which country has the authentic democracy?

Our dictators only rule 8 years. Theirs are for life.
Putin should retire and work in Bond movies. He is the perfect evil Russian spy. In the end, our spies get the best women, and we always win.

sbh says

CaptainShuddup says

Putin is square with the house, it's Obama that turned out to be an asshole.

A Charlie Manson thread would get the same from CaptainShitForBrains:

"Charlie was a leader who didn't need to fat shame anyone, it's Obama that turned out to be the murderer."

Hey SBH, stop spreading rumors, and take your better half for dinner. And I don't mean Dan.

Strategist says

Our dictators only rule 8 years. Theirs are for life.

It's like they have never studied history and didn't figure out that you should just quit after a certain point, since now matter how much people like you or how good you are, you need to quit while you are ahead.

I want to give this example:

JOHN SIMPSON, BBC: Western countries almost universally now believe that there’s a new Cold War and that you, frankly, have decided to create that. We see, almost daily, Russian aircraft taking sometimes quite dangerous manoeuvres towards western airspace. That must be done on your orders; you’re the Commander-in-Chief. It must have been your orders that sent Russian troops into the territory of a sovereign country – Crimea first, and then whatever it is that’s going on in Eastern Ukraine. Now you’ve got a big problem with the currency of Russia, and you’re going to need help and support and understanding from outside countries, particularly from the West. So can I say to you, can I ask you now, would you care to take this opportunity to say to people from the West that you have no desire to carry on with the new Cold War, and that you will do whatever you can to sort out the problems in Ukraine? Thank you!

VLADIMIR PUTIN: Thank you very much for your question. About our exercises, manoeuvres and the development of our armed forces. You said that Russia, to a certain extent, contributed to the tension that we are now seeing in the world. Russia did contribute but only insofar as it is more and more firmly protecting its national interests. We are not attacking in the political sense of the word. We are not attacking anyone. We are only protecting our interests. Our Western partners – and especially our US partners – are displeased with us for doing exactly that, not because we are allowing security-related activity that provokes tension.

Let me explain. You are talking about our aircraft, including strategic aviation operations. Do you know that in the early 1990s, Russia completely stopped strategic aviation flights in remote surveillance areas as the Soviet Union previously did? We completely stopped, while flights of US strategic aircraft carrying nuclear weapons continued. Why? Against whom? Who was threatened?

So we didn’t make flights for many years and only a couple of years ago we resumed them. So are we really the ones doing the provoking?

So, in fact, we only have two bases outside Russia, and both are in areas where terrorist activity is high. One is in Kyrgyzstan, and was deployed there upon request of the Kyrgyz authorities, President Akayev, after it was raided by Afghan militants. The other is in Tajikistan, which also borders on Afghanistan. I would guess you are interested in peace and stability there too. Our presence is justified and clearly understandable.

Now, US bases are scattered around the globe – and you’re telling me Russia is behaving aggressively? Do you have any common sense at all? What are US armed forces doing in Europe, also with tactical nuclear weapons? What are they doing there?

Listen, Russia has increased its military spending for 2015, if I am not mistaken, it is around 50 billion in dollar equivalent. The Pentagon’s budget is ten times that amount, $575 billion, I think, recently approved by the Congress. And you’re telling me we are pursuing an aggressive policy? Is there any common sense in this?

Are we moving our forces to the borders of the United States or other countries? Who is moving NATO bases and other military infrastructure towards us? We aren’t. Is anyone listening to us? Is anyone engaging in some dialogue with us about it? No. No dialogue at all. All we hear is “that’s none of your business. Every country has the right to choose its way to ensure its own security.” All right, but we have the right to do so too. Why can’t we?

Finally, the ABM system – something I mentioned in my Address to the Federal Assembly. Who was it that withdrew unilaterally from the ABM Treaty, one of the cornerstones of the global security system? Was it Russia? No, it wasn’t. The United States did this, unilaterally. They are creating threats for us, they are deploying their strategic missile defence components not just in Alaska, but in Europe as well – in Romania and Poland, very close to us. And you’re telling me we are pursuing an aggressive policy?

If the question is whether we want law-based relations, the answer is yes, but only if our national economic and security interests are absolutely respected.

We negotiated WTO accession for 19 years or so, and consented to compromise on many issues, assuming that we are concluding cast-iron agreements. And then… I will not discuss who’s right and who’s wrong (I already said on many occasions that I believe Russia behaved the right way in the Ukrainian crisis, and the West was wrong, but let us put this aside for now). Still, we joined the WTO. That organisation has rules. And yet, sanctions were imposed on Russia in violation of the WTO rules, the international law and the UN Charter – again unilaterally and illegitimately. Are we in the wrong again?

We want to develop normal relations in the security sphere, in fighting terrorism. We will work together on nuclear non-proliferation. We will work together on other threats, including drugs, organised crime and grave infections, such as Ebola. We will do all this jointly, and we will cooperate in the economic sphere, if our partners want this.

http://eng.kremlin.ru/news/23406
Now, how did Simpson report this lengthy, detailed answer to his question on the BBC? All without a teleprompter or advance knowledge of the question?

"I asked him about Western fears that he was stoking up a new Cold War. Now
the Russian currency was in trouble, I said, he might need Western help.

So I asked if he would take this opportunity to say he didn't want a Cold War
and would work to solve the Ukraine problem. He answered at length - but it was
noticeable he didn't take advantage of the opportunity to calm things down."

Fuck the MSM.

Well, I think the vast majority of Ukrainians are saying "Fuck mother russia"...
as they bury their dead, covered in russian artillery shrapnel..

thunderlips11 says

Fuck the MSM.

Heard a second hand quote today.

America will fight Russia to the last Ukrainian soldier.

thunderlips11 says

I want to give this example:

That was an excellent example. Putin is an intelligent man giving intelligent answers. The western media are complete idiots or behave dishonestly because they have an agenda.

numnuts...the killing started first, that is why the party came to power.

bgamall4 says

That party came to power and then the killing started

Putin says russia is doing nothing to aid the rebels militarily.
Do you believe that?

justme says

Putin is an intelligent man giving intelligent answers.

SoftShell says

Well, I think the vast majority of Ukrainians are saying "Fuck mother russia"...

as they bury their dead, covered in russian artillery shrapnel..

thunderlips11 says

Fuck the MSM.

What about all the civilian residents of Donbass, covered in UA Arty Shrapnel?

Duly Elected (and certified free and fair by intn'l observers) ex-President Yankuvytch using police to stop armed and violent ultranat "protesters" was "Unacceptable" to the State Department.

But Ukraine Army shelling cities and towns with thousands of civilian deaths and hundreds of thousands of refugees - not a peep from Psaki and the blonde Intern. UA also sent aircraft with unguided rockets and bombs, throwing them right into the city center, until some "Friends" gave the DPR/LPR MANPADS.

I'm make another thread for all the "Russian Aid" the DPR is getting.

this is starting to sound just like the middle east all over again....
crimea oil reserves are the stakes...
bring on green power and end the wars...

thunderlips11 says

What about all the civilian residents of Donbass, covered in UA Arty Shrapnel?

Putin says russia is doing nothing to aid the rebels militarily.
Do you believe that?

thunderlips11 says

I'm make another thread for all the "Russian Aid" the DPR is getting.

The Russians are sending heavy equipment
As for "Russian Artillery", here it is. Museum Pieces at 5:00:
http://www.youtube.com/embed/xP_ozv0qgXU

The old guy is cool as fuck.

They're all "Polite Green Men"
~21:30 and 24:30. College Age Girls, Obviously elite Spetznaz.
SoftShell says

Putin says russia is doing nothing to aid the rebels militarily.

Do you believe that?

No. But the US and NATO is certainly helping the Ukies. Problem is the UA uses Russian equipment and has trained with it, all their logistics uses it. The USG is having the Baltic States and Poland empty their warehouses of old Soviet era equipment for Ukraine.

There's a hilarious video of Lithuania unloading both Soviet era and their own "homemade" equipment in Ukraine. The Lithuanian stuff doesn't work right off the flatbed. Have to dig it up.

Ahmadinejad is intelligent, yet denys the holecaust to the world despite mountains of evidence.
Putin is intelligent, yet denys russian foreign military aid to the world despite mountains of evidence.

Intelligence does not give you a free pass for not being off your rocker.

justme says

Putin is an intelligent man giving intelligent answers.

They buy them from the UA, which is famous for selling everything away. From the Varyag Light Carrier to T-55s and ammo from China to every terrorist group and African warlords. Nothing new under the sun.
http://www.youtube.com/embed/g06EEKYyfT4&feature=youtu.be&fmt=18

http://www.standardandpoors.com/ratings/sovereigns/ratings-list/en/us/?sectorName=null&subSectorCode=&start=100&range=50

Ukraine has the lowest Sovereign credit rating in the world. Even Zambia and Uganda are better.

Russia will be assimilated. It will start with a more conciliatory president and rapprochement with the West. The pendulum will swing back and forth, but resistance is futile.

you can stop right there...

bgamall4 says

You are intelligent,

I see like minded nations trying to chip away at mother russia's former satellite states to reduce russia's impact in world decisions, such as supporting the syrian regime and the chemical slaughter of their people just to be able to maintain a naval base there...

but i don't see the zionist globalist cabal....maybe a globalist cabal without the zionist component.

bgamall4 says

and you can't see the Zionist globalist cabal trying to surround Russia.

bgamall4 says

Blurtman says

Russia will be assimilated. It will start with a more conciliatory president and rapprochement with the West. The pendulum will swing back and forth, but resistance is futile.

Won't happen. Putin will take the world down first. Or Europe will be in unnecessary war and the populace will rise up against NATO.

Putin is not immortal. All things head towards unity.

Don't be so sure Zionists are involved. I know in Israel, there is massive disagreement about supporting the Ukraine or Russia. If anything, the public opinion is more on Russia's side.

There's an Aliyah detachment of recon/snipers fighting for Novorussiya.

Why is the media so concerned about Putin. They already managed to turn him into a superman/boogeyman.

FortWayne says

Why is the media so concerned about Putin. They already managed to turn him into a superman/boogeyman.

Because Russia has the largest oil reserves in the world. Because demand for energy among developing nations is growing.

Because one of them for India and both in China's case, US Carrier Battle Groups and Land Bases can shut these straits down in a heartbeat, denying all traffic:

Russia must be divided into little western-friendly Oligarchies, in order to control the alternative to Persian Gulf Oil and Gas: Central and Northern Asia, where US Sea and Air power can't effectively reach to strangle it.

The most recent attempt was a coordinated attack on the Ruble. It failed, because Putin is dedicated to a floating ruble and the RCB didn't do what the West had wanted: Spend their foreign currency reserves to defend it. Now Russia has almost no debt, little private debt, and sits on a pile of foreign currency. The Ruble is already recovering.

thunderlips11 says

Russia must be divided into little western-friendly Oligarchies, in order to control the alternative to Persian Gulf Oil and Gas: Central and Northern Asia, where US Sea and Air power can't effectively reach to strangle it.

The USA easily justifies their rights to others' resources. "Protecting our interests, defending the American way of life, etc..." We want it, we will take it, and paint ourselves as the good guys and aggrieved party.

thunderlips11 says

The Ruble is already recovering.

The Ruble follows the price of oil in US dollars nothing more. Oil is down in US dollars the ruble is down. Oil goes back up the Ruble goes up. Russia keeps the same $3480 ruble per barrel of oil to keep a constant flow of funds to the government. Nothing more nothing less. Russia cannot and does not want to trade oil in Ruble because they cannot take 40% less for their oil and stay solvent.

so you refuse to answer the question, because you know the answer will destroy your entire argument.
who looks 'fooking' stupid now?

bgamall4 says

SoftShell says

Putin says russia is doing nothing to aid the rebels militarily.

Do you believe that?

thunderlips11 says

I'm make another thread for all the "Russian Aid" the DPR is getting.

You are so fooking stupid, softshell

this is my favorite part...

thunderlips11 says

Because one of them for India and both in China's case, US Carrier Battle Groups and Land Bases can shut these straits down in a heartbeat, denying all traffic:

well, a new one can be favorable to the recipient.
Assholes have a way of going hemmoridal with age...

bgamall4 says

God is going to rip Zionists new aholes on the day of judgement.

SoftShell says

Putin says russia is doing nothing to aid the rebels militarily.

Do you believe that?

thunderlips11 says

I'm make another thread for all the "Russian Aid" the DPR is getting.

Why does Putin lie when he knows we already know the truth.

thunderlips11 says

Don't be so sure Zionists are involved. I know in Israel, there is massive disagreement about supporting the Ukraine or Russia. If anything, the public opinion is more on Russia's side.

Could be because a large number of Jewish immigrants are from Russia, and have been exposed to a lot of propaganda.

Propaganda for the motherCitizens

Strategist says

SoftShell says

Putin says russia is doing nothing to aid the rebels militarily.

Do you believe that?

thunderlips11 says

I'm make another thread for all the "Russian Aid" the DPR is getting.

Why does Putin lie when he knows we already know the truth.

United States gets its propaganda from the mainstream media. Russkies get their propaganda straight from the horse's ass.

yup1 says

The Ruble follows the price of oil in US dollars nothing more. Oil is down in US dollars the ruble is down. Oil goes back up the Ruble goes up. Russia keeps the same $3480 ruble per barrel of oil to keep a constant flow of funds to the government. Nothing more nothing less. Russia cannot and does not want to trade oil in Ruble because they cannot take 40% less for their oil and stay solvent.

The other side is that Russian oil is priced in Rubles, so a cheap Ruble makes Russian gas more attractive. Especially if Russia is very interested in taking non-USD for it.

SoftShell says

this is my favorite part...

thunderlips11 says

Because one of them for India and both in China's case, US Carrier Battle Groups and Land Bases can shut these straits down in a heartbeat, denying all traffic:

But...
China doubles Iran Oil Infrastructure investment - to $52B
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-30075807

China in Central Asia
http://chinaincentralasia.com/2014/11/27/chinas-energy-security-strategy-in-central-asia/

"Central Asia is the thickest piece of cake given to the modern Chinese by the heavens." ~ General Liu Yazhou of China's People's Liberation Army (PLA)

It's a place where the US has little to no real influence, no historic ties, no cultural ties, and far beyond the reach of gunboat diplomacy.

You're still our #1 Defense Partner, Modi tells Putin. Also, please give us more nuke plants, helicopters, and diamonds. Cut out those NYC, Antwerp and Tel Aviv middlemen, sell directly to us, Mr. Putin. And we'd love to invest in your arctic oil projects, too.
http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/12/11/india-russia-idINKBN0JO2CA20141211
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp/article-2869167/Sanctions-hit-Putin-visits-India-boost-energy-trade-ties.html
(by the way, fun to watch the US MSM try to spin this as "India is more powerful" versus "Russia is obviously not isolated".)

After all, the US has a long history of being anti-India in terms of foreign policy. From Goa to the various Indo-Pak wars, the US has usually been on the side of India's enemies.
http://nixontapes.org/india-pakistan.html

Oh, and speaking of Goa, guess what the Grey Lady, that font of "moderation" had to say about the "unreasonable" annexation of Goa from Portugal.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9E04E5DC153DEF32A2575AC1A9649D946091D6CF

Why, Nehru has done "irreparable damage" to India's reputation. When people speak of violence and violations of "International Morality", the "illegal" seizure of Goa is right on the tips of their tongues hahahahaha.

you fail to recognize that in the name of nuclear proliferation all of Iran's oil pipeline infrastructure will be destroyed during the coming attack destroying all of Iran's nuclear capability.

Israel will be our proxy as the oil fields of Iran burn.

SoftShell says

Israel will be our proxy as the oil fields of Iran burn.

It's all neocon tough talk rubbish. Asia won't stand for it - and China and India are absolute KEY partners of Israel as well as being the major buyers of Iranian Gas. Not to mention the prevailing winds in Iran run SW. That means Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, etc. will experience fallout.

Which will probably not make them very happy.

China and India's "Words are backed with Nuclear Weapons" also. Maybe they'll think that a little tiny state that just nixed a substantial source of their energy supply needs to vanish before it does more harm to their interests. It would only take one nuke to destroy Israel, small country.

It'll never happen anyway. It'll guarantee Israel will become a total pariah and rogue state, not just with Arabs, but worldwide.