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most muslims are decent people, but they know that if they criticize the violence central to islam from its beginning, then they themselves will be killed.
nor can they leave islam. apostates must also be killed.
note that we get a lot of oil from places that will murder anyone who criticizes or leaves islam. every time you buy gasoline, you support violently intolerant regimes.
maybe we should start labelling gas with the countries of origin, like we do with other products.
Per their teaching it's OK to lie to the infidels (as well as rob and kill them). This is all you need to know when you hear some mullah opens his mouth to say something about "religion of peace" or some such crap.
maybe we should start labelling gas with the countries of origin, like we do with other products.
It's a social faux pas to buy gas from Citgo in Texas where I lived for a while. Right or wrong there is a strong anti Chavez ( even though he's now dead ) sentiment there after he stole the American infrastructure. See:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/citgo.asp
Whenever I visit I do see less cars at the Citgo stations vs. those nearby even though Citgo has lower prices.
note that we get a lot of oil from places that will murder anyone who criticizes or leaves islam. every time you buy gasoline, you support violently intolerant regimes.
Not anymore.
They are now afraid of our shale oil. :-)
There's no such thing as a great religion. They are all based on ignorance and mythology and all are potentially dangerous. They are tools for the elites to control the masses.
Patrick - so what is worse, the "terror" attacks themselves or the people (media, countries etc.) cowering and relenting in fear of attack?
it is sad that otherwise objective newspapers like the ny times feel the need to pretend that islam itself is somehow not the cause of muslims murdering cartoonists in the name of islam, but of course the ny times is wrong.
as is the french president, who somehow also does not see the connection between murderers with ak-47's shooting innocent civilians in the name of islam and islam itself.
the murders in paris were entirely caused by islam itself and nothing else.
but the murders were clearly worse than westerners who bow and blame themselves for crimes committed by others.
murder is worse than anything you can say.
objective newspapers....
are difficult or impossible to find. The largest tend to support their corporate owners and commercial sponsors, e.g. the NY Times supported the military industrial complex in 2003 (Iraq invasion) and then the medical industrial complex in 2010 (Obamacare). PBS gives the government perspective, which varies less and less from the corporate perspective. Independent sources like Democracy Now! give a contrary perspective, which is not necessarily objective either but does at least show the opposite side of the elephant. I despair now of ever finding one truly objective source; among the nearest may actually be PatNet, where allsorts can have their say.
Since the possession of the weapons these Islamic Fundamental are using is not legal in France, there is evidence that these people were prepared to act on any Fatwa that a cleric issued.
It is time to arrest any cleric, Muslim or Christian, who calls for violence.
Islam is not just a religion it is also a judicial and political movement. People in Muslim countries are afraid to challenge these militants or report them and thus consent to their actions.
NY Times supported the military industrial complex
As do many liberals, the Bushs were an anomaly on war as usually it is caused by democrats.
note that we get a lot of oil from places that will murder anyone who criticizes or leaves islam. every time you buy gasoline, you support violently intolerant regimes.
Not anymore.
what do you mean by "Not anymore"?
saudi arabia is the most violently intolerant of them all, and the origin of most of the 9/11 hijackers, and a major source of foreign oil:
http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_move_impcus_a2_nus_ep00_im0_mbbl_m.htm
note also that the us never criticises the basic lack of freedom of speech and freedom of religion on saudi arabia, not to mention the fact that it is completely non-democratic.
nor can they leave islam. apostates must also be killed
this is the central BS of what islamic theocracy has fallen into.
they're just 500 years behind us though, they'll get through it eventually.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Protestant_martyrs_of_the_English_Reformation
basic lack of freedom of speech and freedom of religion on saudi arabia
Iraq was a lot freer than the KSA in 2002.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/18/opinion/iraq-war-women-salbi/index.html
like the ny times feel the need to pretend that islam itself is somehow not the cause of muslims murdering cartoonists in the name of islam, but of course the ny times is wrong
it's not the religion, it's the fucktards twisting it to their own ends.
every religion has its extremist element making it into their own -- fundies here who kill abortion providers, legislate homo hate (Proposition 8 was passed just 6 years ago). What islam has created is what the fucked up tribal patriarchal "rural" conservative mideast society has wanted.
Honor killings are common in that region, from Iraq to India.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-03-31/five-to-be-executed-for-honour-killings/386540?section=justin
http://www.counterpunch.org/2007/05/08/the-horrific-stoning-death-of-a-yazidi-girl/
You've got the cart before the horse here. I agree that Islam is a shitty religion, but they all are, right?
An Australian paper had the balls to print this.
Although I don't see it as that bold, other than the fact that Mohammed is in it.
it's not the religion, it's the fucktards twisting it to their own ends.
that's where you're wrong. it is the religion itself, which is uniquely extreme in its violence..
from the very beginning until now, there was no freedom of speech or freedom of religion under islam.
according to hadith, mohammed approved the murders of a pregnant woman and an old man who wrote satirical poems about him. the murderers in paris were just doing what they were taught is right and good: to murder anyone who attempts to exercise their free speech by mocking mohammed.
and again, there is no freedom of religion either. jews and christians were tolerated as a source of income as long as they paid a yearly ransom. non-monotheistic people were simply given the choice of conversion to islam or death.
even today, right now, you cannot leave islam except under the threat of death or imprisonment in most muslim countries:
how is that not a problem with the religion itself? those countries are just doing what the religion tells them to.
muslims are being wonderfully consistent in their intolerance. at least devout muslims are.
the difference is that you cannot find any example of buddha robbing, raping, or killing anyone. buddhists may choose to be bad, but what we're talking about here is what they are explicitly taught to do by the religion, and the example of the founder of the religion.
according to hadith, mohammed approved the murders of a pregnant woman and an old man who wrote satirical poems about him. the murderers in paris were just doing what they were taught is right and good: to murder anyone who attempts to exercise their free speech by mocking mohammed.
Mohammad also raped, robbed, enslaved, terrorized, and tortured people in addition to murdering them. I doubt if there is any religious leader who even comes close to what Mohammad did. He is regarded as the perfect Muslim. No wonder his followers are the most violent.
Well I can certainly agree that their founder was a shithead apparently.
je ne suis pas charlie so I can say this hopefully anonymously.
Mohammed created a religion for mideasterners, which amplified the tribalism and other anti-modern elements of that social millieu.
Islam has its defenders so I don't know why I'm trying to defend it. Millions are born into it and are stuck with it, so I'm sensitive about that I guess; they're victims of this religious mindfuck as much as anyone else.
What I see about Islam's critics -- like you here -- is an under-understanding of what it means to be muslim like that.
Like stalinism fell away due to its inability to compete with capitalism, I fully expect european social democracy to win over the medieval mentality that remains within islam.
I fully expect european social democracy to win over the medieval mentality that remains within islam.
Except that's not whats happening.
Yup JPT has it righr it is about demographics, just like the Christians took over Rome by out breeding the Romans.
And the dark ages followed, even though the same technology was extant.
The US is forecast to increase in population by 100 million by 2050. Will our tech remain?
Intolerance and violence is not unique to Islam. Bible for example has text that would be considered extemely intolerant and Mahabharata is probably the most violent religious text yet written. Let's also not forget the 100,000+ deaths that occurred in Iraq during our search for WMD's there. Violence is not restricted to Muslims.
As far as Muslims are concerned, the problem is mainly in the area that stretches from Syria to Pakistan. Otherwise, almost 1 billion out of a total 1.8 billion Muslims live in South and South East Asia and are quite tolerant. Turkey and many other Muslim countries are also fairly tolerant.
The problem is not Islam, but the brand of Islam (Wahabi) that Saudi rulers sponsor and fund throughout the world on the back of their oil money.
As far as Muslims are concerned, the problem is mainly in the area that stretches from Syria to Pakistan. Otherwise, almost 1 billion out of a total 1.8 billion Muslims live in South and South East Asia and are quite tolerant. Turkey and many other Muslim countries are also fairly tolerant.
You are delusional. India, Thailand, Mayanmar, suffer from extreme terrorism. So does Russia and China, which you left out. Japan and Korea don't have an Islamic problem because they don't even have any Muslims.
The problem is not Islam, but the brand of Islam (Wahabi) that Saudi rulers sponsor and fund throughout the world on the back of their oil money.
The whole damn religion is the problem. Wahabi just happens to be the worst part. All those Sunnis and Shiites killing each other every day are not all Wahhabis.
Except that's not whats happening.
Dunno man, it's easy for a member of the 1% of 1% whackaloon brigade to overshadow the vast majority of people.
'specially if there are media interests (not naming any names!) on the pay to stir up the shit for propagandistic purposes.
These clowns remind me more of Westboro Baptist church, except for the fact that they are essentially a fifth column wrt our fight against their bullshit and do have the occasional commando go off the rails and kill someone.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/05/29/uk-soldier-killed-in-london-died-from-stab-wounds/
The culture is seriously fucked up, when secular tyrant is removed, it creates a power vaccum which allows religious zealots to come to power. That's the path that the culture chooses rather than pursuing democratic ideals. They have no right to complain if they will be viewed as the "other", they put that stick in "infidel" hands all on their own.
Great and Religion....a contradiction in terms!
When people make choices based on mythology/ superstition...bad things tend to happen!
At least their are no burnings at the stake, yet.
Give it a few month. World is getting really nuts lately.
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=229719
"Don't give me this crap about how "most Muslims don't believe in this stuff." Nonsense."
"If they did then there would be a literal billion people looking for these *******s in every corner of the globe and putting a stop to this crap. There are, in fact, essentially zero of those individuals taking that step and there never has been any such movement among so-called "peaceful Muslims" defending the "peaceful" nature of their faith, which tells me everything I need to know."