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Freedom to Offend

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514   BayArea   ignore (1)   2019 May 17, 5:02am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
I wonder how much the media is to blame for the epidemic of TDS.

Their continuous spin and lies about Trump certainly seem to be a major factor in spreading this disease. They hyped the Russia lie for nearly 2 and a half years, and it was entirely bullshit.


@Patrick - you mentioned in a recent thread that generations will repeat the same mistakes over and over. Young people will always be impressionable.

Because of this, the mainstream media can be dangerous when they predominantly report from an angle.

As people get older, wiser, and more experienced, it’s not surprising that the political trend goes from democrat to republican. And what can be more revealing? As people get older, wiser, and more experienced, they gravitate towards one a particular side of the political spectrum. How reassuring is that democrats?

“If you are young and conservative, you have no heart. If you are old and liberal, you have no brain”

Perhaps one of Donald’s greatest accomplishments during his presidency is exposing the mainstream media.
515   Patrick   ignore (0)   2019 May 17, 7:09am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Yes, the old media of newspapers and TV has consistently lied about Trump, which should be clear to everyone by now, especially after the Russia hoax. They are completely dead as a source of objective news.

Their revenue was almost completely shifted to Google and Facebook, which are unfortunately also dedicated to suppressing news they don't like. Their censorship has really ramped up lately, no doubt because of the 2020 election.

516   CovfefeButDeadly   ignore (5)   2019 May 17, 7:17am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

When I was a kid every liberal HATED this song. But every liberal supported Axl’s right to write and sing it.

Not one “liberal” today would be ok with it. The left would literally lose their shit over this song, boycott and protest the band and their record company...

517   CornPoptheOriginalGangster   ignore (5)   2019 May 17, 8:37am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CovfefeButDeadly says
When I was a kid every liberal HATED this song. But every liberal supported Axl’s right to write and sing it.

Not one “liberal” today would be ok with it. The left would literally lose their shit over this song, boycott and protest the band and their record company...


Imagine if they heard "Money for Nuthin'"

Not just the premise, but the lyrics... that faggot's got his own jet airplane...
518   CornPoptheOriginalGangster   ignore (5)   2019 May 17, 8:42am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

d6rB says
I blame our education system, where FACTS ARE VIOLENCE AND LOGIC IS WHITE HETERO-PATRIARCHAL OPPRESSION.


"Objectivity is male subjectivity"
519   FortWayneIndiana   ignore (4)   2019 May 17, 9:10am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HonkpilledMaster says
"Objectivity is male subjectivity"


Objectivity is a social construct lol
520   HeadSet   ignore (2)   2019 May 17, 10:46am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayneIndiana says
HonkpilledMaster says
"Objectivity is male subjectivity"


Objectivity is a social construct lol


Just like math.
522   marcus   ignore (10)   2019 May 21, 9:30pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
How can anyone still believe the Russia bullshit after it was so thoroughly discredited after more than two years of the most fanatical and partisan investigation in history?


It didn't feel fanatical or partisan to me. I guess some of the commentary about it was partisan. And wile I thought it might implicate Trump, I honestly thought and I believe most people thought that they probably would not find reason to indict Trump. So it was mostly ended up being what people thought all along.

THe surprise was that he probably did obstruct justice, but just not enough to indict a sitting President.

I don't see how this is some major vindication for Trump. Right wingers liketo say he's the most investigated President ever ? Really. I don't know.

He is certainly the least transparent President ever, about his finances, his taxes and his business dealings.

WE certainly have never had a President that constantly acted as if they have everything to hide as much a Trump does.
523   WookieMan   ignore (4)   2019 May 22, 3:48am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
He is certainly the least transparent President ever, about his finances, his taxes and his business dealings.


What is the concern with his business dealings? If he makes money in Russia, what's the big deal? He'd be extracting some money from Russia and bringing it here. Is that good for Russia? And isn't this what the Democrats wanted in the first place? A global economy.

Obama even gave up on manufacturing jobs here and basically understood we're a global economy now. And don't think for a second that no democrat (or other Republican) isn't making money in Russia in some way shape or form. Was Obama a traitor for just giving up on manufacturing and being happy we're sending China tons of money to make our products?

There's so much faux outrage over something that has been pushed by both parties. If you got his taxes and saw he made money in Russia, what would you even say to that? Or anywhere for that matter? Outside of Iran and North Korea you've got money invested somehow in another country that you probably don't like through a pension or 401k fund. So make sure to beat yourself up at the end of the day you treasonous traitor (being sarcastic, not actually call you that).
524   Expat01   ignore (2)   2019 May 22, 5:18am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick, the Russian interference was not disproved by the Mueller Report. Your head is up your ass. Mueller's report said that Trump's staff were too incompetent to carry out the collusion and a few key players refused. Otherwise, it seems obvious from the report that Trump et al were very eager to collude; they were just to fucking stupid to do it.

As for Russian interference, this is undisputed. So peddle your bullshit if you want, but it's still bullshit.
525   WookieMan   ignore (4)   2019 May 22, 6:44am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Expat01 says
As for Russian interference, this is undisputed.


Who is claiming Russia did NOT try to influence the election? We do it all the time all over the world. All countries do. Thought this was common knowledge.

Expat01 says
Mueller's report said that Trump's staff were too incompetent to carry out the collusion and a few key players refused.


Cool, so they didn't collude. Next....
526   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (43)   2019 May 22, 10:40am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

It's sad to see people deny what has been obvious for decades and only highlighted in deeper relief by recent investigations:

A bankrupted Trump Organization was integrated into the Russian money laundering plexus animated by Deutsche Bank. The guy was a punchline inside of any bank in the world, if anything, until DB wrote their first notes for him in the late 1990s.

Trump, a genius? The only real president? The last hope of freedom?

How about an unfortunate side effect of the Soviet Union's dissolution?
527   jazz_music   ignore (12)   2019 May 22, 11:56am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

One of the many curses of our existing oligarchy is that discussion is stopped by oligarchs who have used their increasing power to disinform us to the point where we no longer share a reality, but we recite and prefer lies that make us better than the other people. Tribal country posturing.

America is good to young well trained physically competitive people who model silent obedience. Remove any of those qualities and you are fucked worse than so many other countries, unless your investments are secure enough to carry you.

We owe our veterans a better country to come home to than this nation at war with everyone who has wealth to capture.

Activism
528   Ceffer   ignore (3)   2019 May 22, 12:39pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I will forever be indebted to Trump for finally, inexorably tossing up the skirts of the Globalists, exposing the carrion press for what it really is, and revealing the country destroying corruption of the Democratic Party and it's sock puppets. I don't care if he is a self aggrandizing lout or whatever, he has performed a service, unconsciously or not, of rolling out the tide of the swamp to reveal all the garbage and feces. Even if one were to argue he is part of it, it wouldn't have become so vividly clear if he hadn't been elected.

I wouldn't trust the NYT, CNN or WAPO etc. etc. with an egg boiling recipe.

It does mean that getting information about the world and history is a much more laborious, painstaking process and requires layers of information cross checking and elimination. It's out there, it just takes a lot more work.
529   Quigley   ignore (2)   2019 May 22, 12:51pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
One of the many curses of our existing oligarchy is that discussion is stopped by oligarchs who have used their increasing power to disinform us to the point where we no longer share a reality, but we recite and prefer lies that make us better than the other people. Tribal country posturing.


You’re not wrong. CNN, WaPo, Facebook, Google, and most of the rest of the media have carefully crafted and filtered the news to support the oligarch narrative. Their idea of activism is supporting causes that divide the American public by racial, class, religious, cultural, and political lines. Every march, demonstration, or protest they cover is in support of one divisive cause or another. Never ever will they favorably review any activism that is intended to heal our differences, rather than divide us further.
Oh and who owns all these media sources? Why the oligarchs!

How can you be so close to right, and then twist it up until you’re completely wrong? Most confusing poster on the site, and that includes the Bass.
530   jazz_music   ignore (12)   2019 May 22, 1:20pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ceffer says
I wouldn't trust the NYT, CNN or WAPO etc. etc. with an egg boiling recipe.

It does mean that getting information about the world and history is a much more laborious, painstaking process and requires layers of information cross checking and elimination. It's out there, it just takes a lot more work.
Which makes you feel better? Fox? Breitbart? Drudge?
531   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2019 May 25, 11:51am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says

He is certainly the least transparent President ever, about his finances, his taxes and his business dealings.

Mostly because he has finances, taxes, and business dealings.

Where is the uproar over SO MANY career politicians becoming obscenely wealthy while "serving the public"?

We need more business people that want to make America great and less politicians who want to be wealthy and powerful.
532   Patrick   ignore (0)   2019 May 25, 12:13pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

To be frank:

1. Nothing at all has been found on Trump. Nothing.
2. Even if there were, who gives a hoot as long as the country continues to do great under Trump?

Democrats are all about HATE HATE HATE for Trump. Democrats have no other platform than serving globalists who want to dissolve the country entirely and flood it with cheap and desperate labor. And those globalists hate Trump because he is messing with their plans, and thus the 24/7 negative reporting on Trump by oligarch-owned media.

It's sad, because Democrats used to stand for the interests of the working class. But not anymore. I await the glorious day when so many Democrats defect that the party is forced to regain at least a little bit of ethics.
533   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (43)   2019 May 25, 1:44pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

This from a GOP stalwart cited dispassionately in a conservative paper, not from a jihadi democrat who deserves torture and death because treason in a jihadi paper like the NY Times, RINO traitor quoted below.

Ex-GOP lawmaker calls for Trump's impeachment: 'The survival of our democracy is at risk'
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/may/23/tom-coleman-ex-gop-lawmaker-calls-trump-impeachmen/

". . . Trump campaign encouraged a foreign adversary to use and misrepresent stolen information on social media platforms to defraud U.S. voters. Because the presidency was won in this way, the president’s election victory brought forth nothing less than an illegitimate presidency.

Mueller presents a strong case that in addition to receiving campaign help from Russian operatives, the president obstructed justice — a crime in itself. Mueller declined to charge the sitting president because of current Department of Justice regulations that prohibit it. . . "
Read more here: https://www.kansascity.com/opinion/readers-opinion/guest-commentary/article230713224.html#storylink=cpy
534   6rdB   ignore (0)   2019 May 25, 1:57pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
HATE HATE HATE for Trump.

GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT AND VOTE FOR US, OTHERWISE ORANGE BOOGEYMAN WILL SEND WOMYN AND MINORITIES TO DEATH CAMPS
535   HeadSet   ignore (2)   2019 May 25, 2:12pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Trump campaign encouraged a foreign adversary to use and misrepresent stolen information on social media platforms to defraud U.S. voters. Because the presidency was won in this way, the president’s election victory brought forth nothing less than an illegitimate presidency.

Seriously? What was "stolen" and what was "misrepresented?" Maybe the info on how the Dems rigged the primary against Bernie? And this did not "win the presidency." Trump won because he out competed Hillary in key battleground states.

That whole "won because of misrepresented stolen info" is so damn transparent and shoddy as to be spoken by an absolute shill. And only a shill would profess to believe it.
536   CornPoptheOriginalGangster   ignore (5)   2019 May 25, 2:31pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
America is good to young well trained physically competitive people who model silent obedience. Remove any of those qualities and you are fucked worse than so many other countries, unless your investments are secure enough to carry you.


LOL, the secret to achieving success in America now revolves around having an Oppression Narrative for yourself, and mediocre ability. The Media and Academia and Big Tech celebrate Desmond the Drag Kid, Omar Ilhan, etc.

By the way, the undertone to this comment calls to mind the "Are all Leftists Ugly?" idea.
537   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2019 Jun 15, 12:54pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Still have this "flag" B.S. still going on I see.... amazing...
538   TrumpingTits   ignore (2)   2019 Jun 15, 1:17pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
HATE HATE HATE for Trump.

Even without all the rest (the manufactured 'scandals'), that's all they have anyway.
539   CBOEtrader   ignore (6)   2019 Jun 15, 1:24pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
So it was mostly ended up being what people thought all along.


Lol, apparently you haven't been watching CNN/MSNBC et all who called him a trailer, etc... All lies. All of it. Every shred .
541   jazz_music   ignore (12)   2019 Jun 25, 10:10am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Some news the fan club missed: yesterday Iran president announced to the world that Trump is mentally retarded. That is a first ever for our presidency. I know, you don’t care so spare me the backtalk about how America is so respected under Trump.

LOL

The president is a good cartoon and Clinton had emails. Lock her up, Benghazi! Kenyan!
543   mell   ignore (3)   2019 Jun 25, 12:11pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
https://www.timesofisrael.com/north-korea-compares-obama-to-monkey-in-hacking-row/

Sure. Leaders NEVER called Obama names.


lol also I thought the leftoids are all about eradicating offensive words such as retarded coz feelings! everyone calling Obummer names was rayscyst! Ah but now let's celebrate calling bad orange man a retard! Iran good, orange man bad retard! WTF?? The left has truly gone full retard, most inconsequential and hypocritical movement of modern times.
544   jazz_music   ignore (12)   2019 Jun 25, 12:22pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LOL WTF right wing terrorists live to offend everyone just like their mentally ill low life demigods. WTF LOL go celebrate your farts!

Vote for your farts! Evangelicals will join you if they get more control over their moronic cultists.

Hypocrites with talking heads.
545   5cdfb   ignore (0)   2019 Jul 14, 8:07am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Sorry, Patrick, I gotta call bullshit on your "right to offend"-thingy. I USED to visit this site almost daily, a LONG time ago. What turned me off (permanently) to Patrick.net, was when I made a logical and polite argument in favor of owning over renting on your forum, one of your nasty users attacked me personally, and guess what? MY post was deleted!
That was all I needed to know about which way the wind blows here. Apparently, offending one of your brainwashed "renting is better than owning"-disciples with a simple fact(that at least, their is an END to mortgage payments, eventually, unlike rent) is a no-no.

"Do not attack other users or the site itself. Personal attacks solve nothing. The merit of a person is not important, only the merit of ideas." - Unless their ideas don't quite jive with the site-owner.

Lol.
546   Patrick   ignore (0)   2019 Jul 16, 8:54am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

@5cdfb That does not sound like me. I doubt I deleted it.

Please make your argument again here (or maybe you just did!) and watch, see that it remains visible.
547   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2019 Jul 16, 9:32am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

5cdfb says
offending one of your brainwashed

That's not offensive.

If you can make your point without attacking others it will not be deleted. Some people have a hard time with that.
548   OccasionalCortex   ignore (4)   2019 Jul 16, 11:32am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says
That's not offensive.


Is or is not?
549   Patrick   ignore (0)   2019 Jul 16, 5:15pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says
If you can make your point without attacking others it will not be deleted. Some people have a hard time with that.


True.

Please do experiments! See that any comment which is not attacking other users or the site is allowed to remain.
550   Onvacation   ignore (4)   2019 Jul 16, 6:25pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

OccasionalCortex says
Onvacation says
That's not offensive.


Is or is not?

It's so hard to write sarcastically.
551   mell   ignore (3)   2019 Aug 31, 3:55pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CovfefeButDeadly says
When I was a kid every liberal HATED this song. But every liberal supported Axl’s right to write and sing it.

Not one “liberal” today would be ok with it. The left would literally lose their shit over this song, boycott and protest the band and their record company...



One of my favorite gnr songs. Honestly openly racist and offensive, like most art and music used to be.

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