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225   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 6, 4:35pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

FP says
Mexico also has capitalism.


Clearly they're not doing it right. Maybe we aren't either, but we are definitely getting better results than Mexico does.
226   cynn   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 6, 4:48pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

The Kochs just haven't figured out "cartels" yet.
227   Feux Follets   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 8, 5:54am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

jazz_music says
Wouldn't that just force Rush Limbaugh and his ilk to come up with new lies and accusations


That would be much too difficult, much easier to use the old ones. Pizzagate, Bengahzi, Hillary and see what MSM comes up with and then steal their shit.
228   missing   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 8, 1:46pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Patrick says
Clearly they're not doing it right. Maybe we aren't either, but we are definitely getting better results than Mexico does.


This is beyond the point.
229   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Mar 8, 2:08pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Patrick says
Clearly they're not doing it right. Maybe we aren't either, but we are definitely getting better results than Mexico does.


Mexico spent most of the 19th Century in "Free Trade", shipping out raw materials while importing finished products.

Thus, they industrialized much more slowly and unevenly than tariff-protected America in the 19th Century under Hamilton's All-American Tariff.

It's much the same all over Central and South America. BIg Landed Wealth doesn't care about mass employment, they just want to trade the cotton and the aloe and the copper for a BMW, and make sure the landless workers don't get uppity when it comes to wages.

Defeating Big Confederate Landlords - who were as opposed to the Homestead Act as Tarriffs - they envisioned the midwest full of slaves on huge wheat farms - was a big leg up for American Prosperity.
230   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Mar 23, 9:16am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Hi @Patrick - there's a T2 guy in the mod queue asking to be deleted, both comment and account.
231   Sniper   ignore (11)   2018 Mar 23, 9:24am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
Hi @Patrick - there's a T2 guy in the mod queue asking to be deleted, both comment and account.


I believe that's a brand new account of user: FP
232   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 23, 9:48am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Deleted it. There was only one comment anyway.
233   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 12, 7:58am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Deleted two clear personal attacks from two users this AM. One about going to somebody having to go to GNC, the other about mental issues of a user.
234   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 26, 1:35pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

There's a pretty clear personal insult in my mod queue, but the delete button is gone.
235   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Apr 26, 2:48pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

@TwoScoopsPlissken was the comment more than a week old?

After a week, a comment can't be deleted, except by me. It can still be marked "personal" and go into the moderation queue though.

I deleted one today from the moderation queue, but can't remember how old it was.
236   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 26, 4:25pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Hi Pat, not sure. It had a dislike already, didn't check the date. It could have been older.
237   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 27, 11:44am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Approved Sniper's remarks about Wookie, don't know if it's really "personal" and Wookie said he doesn't particularly care and it seems to be a group thing about milenials vs. a insults at a user.

I'm biased towards approval absent "Go Fuck Yourself, you sniveling shitbag."

So approved, but not 100% sure this is the kind of Convo Pat.net wants/doesn't want since it is about user history and whatnot. Happy to reconsider.
238   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 27, 11:46am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Okay, so posts along this line are getting thrown to moderation. I leave it in moderation for others to take a look.
239   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Apr 27, 11:48am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

yeah, its a childish conversation. even if those two want to have that convo, i'd lean towards deleting it anyways... just to keep the forum focused on actual discussions. dont want this place slipping back into the realm of personal flame wars.
240   Goran_K   ignore (0)   2018 Apr 27, 12:45pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
I'm biased towards approval absent "Go Fuck Yourself, you sniveling shitbag."


I'm the same way. As long as it's not directly and obviously personal, I let it go through.
241   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Apr 27, 12:49pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

CBOEtrader says
yeah, its a childish conversation. even if those two want to have that convo, i'd lean towards deleting it anyways... just to keep the forum focused on actual discussions. dont want this place slipping back into the realm of personal flame wars.


I really don't want flame wars. I'm definitely still on the pendulum swing away from "anything goes" towards quickly deleting anything that sounds like a personal attack on other users.
242   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 May 14, 3:52pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

One Edvard comment approved, the other left in moderation for "Shut Up" even though the rest isn't personal.
243   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 3, 10:39am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

Patrick says
I really don't want flame wars. I'm definitely still on the pendulum swing away from "anything goes" towards quickly deleting anything that sounds like a personal attack on other users.


@Patrick--

If you really applied this standard without bias, it would be great. As it is now, it is ridiculous. I challenge you to look at curious2's posts over the past 3 days and tell me how his remain but mine are deleted and I somehow end up in moderation. This website is a joke.
244   Sniper   ignore (11)   2018 Jun 3, 11:46am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

LeonDurham says
If you really applied this standard without bias, it would be great. As it is now, it is ridiculous. I challenge you to look at curious2's posts over the past 3 days and tell me how his remain but mine are deleted and I somehow end up in moderation. This website is a joke.


There are no standards anymore, either you're part of the "club", or your not.

I'm in post moderation for doing NOTHING wrong, and no posts deleted, yet past posters (who were deleted) are back under new names attacking other uses with freedom.

Amazing
245   Aphroman   ignore (4)   2018 Jun 3, 12:29pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

LeonDurham says
Patrick says
I really don't want flame wars. I'm definitely still on the pendulum swing away from "anything goes" towards quickly deleting anything that sounds like a personal attack on other users.


@Patrick--

If you really applied this standard without bias, it would be great. As it is now, it is ridiculous. I challenge you to look at curious2's posts over the past 3 days and tell me how his remain but mine are deleted and I somehow end up in moderation. This website is a joke.


Just blame everything on liberals, leftists and democrats and never ever be critical of anything the Republicans do, especially the special snowflake President, and you will be fine with the mods here
246   curious2   ignore (1)   2018 Jun 3, 12:41pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

LeonDurham says
I challenge you to look at curious2's posts over the past 3 days and tell me how his remain but mine are deleted and I somehow end up in moderation.


Your comments do remain, including this one:

LeonDurham says
as expected. Run away little man.


If some of your comments are not appearing, you might have blocked scripting or something, but it has nothing to do with me. I have never flagged any of your comments as personal, even though some are, clearly. I had simply stopped responding to you, and you responded to that by taunting me (see above). Now you seem to pursue the matter in other threads. Again, it has nothing to do with me, so I would prefer that you (including your aliases joeyjoejoejr and tatupu70 among others) leave me out of it.
247   Onvacation   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 10, 8:50am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

LeonDurham says
This website is a joke.

Patrick LET you say that.

Argue the topic instead of attacking the person and your posts should be fine.
248   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 10, 9:12am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

curious2 says

Your comments do remain, including this one:




Nope. Not the ones I was referring to--those are still gone.

curious2 says
If some of your comments are not appearing, you might have blocked scripting or something, but it has nothing to do with me. I have never flagged any of your comments as personal, even though some are, clearly. I had simply stopped responding to you, and you responded to that by taunting me (see above). Now you seem to pursue the matter in other threads. Again, it has nothing to do with me, so I would prefer that you (including your aliases joeyjoejoejr and tatupu70 among others) leave me out of it.


The comments were deleted by one of the moderators. It's not a mystery what happened.

How about this--when you start leaving Marcus out of every comment in every thread you post, then I promise to not ever mention your pseudonym.
249   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 10, 9:13am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Onvacation says
Patrick LET you say that.

Argue the topic instead of attacking the person and your posts should be fine.


Patrick isn't the problem--he doesn't delete for the most part. It's his choice for moderation that is the problem.

If all posts were treated equally and all personal attacks were deleted, then I would be ecstatic.
250   Aphroman   ignore (4)   2018 Jun 10, 10:22am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

LeonDurham says
Onvacation says
Patrick LET you say that.

Argue the topic instead of attacking the person and your posts should be fine.


Patrick isn't the problem--he doesn't delete for the most part. It's his choice for moderation that is the problem.

If all posts were treated equally and all personal attacks were deleted, then I would be ecstatic.


It’s strange the way some pretend that it’s not a thing. Which points to the larger point, which is at the root of a lot of problems presently, is that you’re left finding yourself debating with a counterpart who is wholly disingenuous. Is it any wonder of the results it produces?

For some it’s obviously inherent and impenetrable, sadly for others it’s a more recent polar reversal that they seem to choose to participate in, that i find alarming. You think you know someone....
251   RafiMaas   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 10, 11:11am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Sniper says

I'm in post moderation for doing NOTHING wrong, and no posts deleted


I, personally, had to mark a post of yours personal 3 times before it finally got deleted!

A reference to someone needing glasses was made. A clear and obvious personal attack. "NOTHING wrong"? You do realize quoting a user then saying someone needs glasses is a personal attack, right?

But what does it say when someone has to mark a post personal, that is personal, 3 times before it doesn't come back? Maybe there should be checks and balances on other users not just the lower level users?
252   Onvacation   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 10, 12:27pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

LeonDurham says
If all posts were treated equally and all personal attacks were deleted, then I would be ecstatic.

I liked this part of your post.

Trolls and sockpuppets are ubiquitous on the internet. not allowing personal attacks denies them one of their biggest weapons. They still have the strawman, mock outrage, denial of facts, and charts.
253   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 10, 12:30pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Onvacation says

Trolls and sockpuppets are ubiquitous on the internet. not allowing personal attacks denies them one of their biggest weapons. They still have the strawman, mock outrage, denial of facts, and charts.


I know--if Patrick could ban strawman arguments, then we'd really have something.
254   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 10, 1:32pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

RafiMaas says
I, personally, had to mark a post of yours personal 3 times before it finally got deleted!


There are 5 moderators plus myself, and they probably all interpret things a big differently.

I'd agree that saying someone needs glasses is personal, and not about the point being argued.
255   Feux Follets   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 10, 1:48pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Patrick says
There are 5 moderators plus myself, and they probably all interpret things a big differently.


Understatement
256   Aphroman   ignore (4)   2018 Jun 10, 1:52pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

RafiMaas says
Sniper says

I'm in post moderation for doing NOTHING wrong, and no posts deleted


I, personally, had to mark a post of yours personal 3 times before it finally got deleted!

A reference to someone needing glasses was made. A clear and obvious personal attack. "NOTHING wrong"? You do realize quoting a user then saying someone needs glasses is a personal attack, right?

But what does it say when someone has to mark a post personal, that is personal, 3 times before it doesn't come back? Maybe there should be checks and balances on other users not just the lower level users?


I had to mark two very blatant personal attacks as personal four times before Patrick showed up and Trumped the mod that was reinstating it. It’s pathetic

Like Patrick always said, it’s of the utmost importance to always speak the truth
257   Aphroman   ignore (4)   2018 Jun 10, 1:54pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Feux Follets says
Patrick says
There are 5 moderators plus myself, and they probably all interpret things a big differently.


Understatement


Lol, not the word that first came to mind for me
258   Sniper   ignore (11)   2018 Jun 22, 8:53pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

@Patrick

My posts are not showing up, why?
259   Ceffer   ignore (1)   2018 Jun 22, 11:47pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Golly, what a lot of work keeping people from ad hominem attacks on each other.
260   Sniper   ignore (11)   2018 Jun 23, 7:50am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Sniper says
@Patrick

My posts are not showing up, why?


@Patrick, still not showing up, is it a glitch in the software?
261   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 23, 10:50am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

By "posts", do you mean comments? Clearly those are showing up fine.

I don't think new threads are treated any differently than comments.

I will try to log in as you and create a new thread...
262   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 23, 10:55am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Ah, it was an auto-downgrade thing where there were enough comments marked personal to limit your privileges.

I undid that, now you should be the same as before.
263   Sniper   ignore (11)   2018 Jun 23, 2:12pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Patrick says
Ah, it was an auto-downgrade thing where there were enough comments marked personal to limit your privileges.


I thought that might have been it, but when I went back and looked, I didn't see any past comments of mine deleted.

Who was marking them personal?
264   RafiMaas   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 23, 9:52pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Sniper says
Who was marking them personal?


Apparently it was somebody who noticed that you made yet another personal comment. A good way to avoid this is to not make personal comments. It is quite easy.

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