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267   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 10, 12:52pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

CBOEtrader says
removed leon's comment as a personal distraction from this discussion. to leon, id be happy to have that discussion, but start a different thread. this one isnt for flame wars, its for improving pat.net


lol--suggesting that pat.net needs to remove strawman arguments isn't improving pat.net?
268   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Jul 10, 12:56pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

Aphroman says
The rules here are pointless because they are not applied equally.


show us an example. I see you flame ad homs, then get mad when non ad homs are allowed to stay. your "this isnt fair" routine is getting tedious.
269   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 10, 12:57pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

CBOEtrader says
show us an example. I see you flame ad homs, then get mad when non ad homs are allowed to stay. your "this isnt fair" routine is getting tedious.


I can't remember when it was, but I posted about 20 ad homs from one of the posters that were never zapped. This poster never got a warning from Goran or anyone. Not quite as many, but I reposted a handful of ad homs from one of the mods as well.

Aphro is 100% correct. It's simple bias that clouds the mods here.
270   Aphroman   ignore (7)   2018 Jul 10, 1:12pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

CBOEtrader says
Aphroman says
The rules here are pointless because they are not applied equally.


show us an example. I see you flame ad homs, then get mad when non ad homs are allowed to stay. your "this isnt fair" routine is getting tedious.


Ironically a straw man lol
271   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 11, 8:45am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

CBOEtrader says
can we please eliminate this functionality? noone should be able to edit YOUR pat.net experience. If someone wants to mute their own experience, thats completely different. However, muting someone else's ability to view pat/net posts will destroy users ability to follow conversations and drive them from the site. We are down to a core 50... you dont want 25 of those 50 never seeing what the other 25 are discussing, unless you dont want discussions.


@Patrick, I agree. Aphroman blocking mods is him defacto circumventing the system to he can continue ad hom attacks on people.
272   Onvacation   ignore (2)   2018 Jul 11, 9:08am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Aphroman says
bitter Trumpublicans have run off most all opposing viewpoints

I think at least a few left because they could no longer belittle and abuse other posters.
273   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 11, 9:23am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

Goran_K says
@Patrick, I agree. Aphroman blocking mods is him defacto circumventing the system to he can continue ad hom attacks on people.


Or maybe he got tired of reading all the strawman arguments from the mods.
274   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 11, 9:23am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Onvacation says
I think at least a few left because they could no longer belittle and abuse other posters.



Yes, some people get pleasure out of that. Don't want them around.
275   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Jul 11, 9:48am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Goran_K says
@Patrick, I agree. Aphroman blocking mods is him defacto circumventing the system to he can continue ad hom attacks on people.


Patrick says
Onvacation says
I think at least a few left because they could no longer belittle and abuse other posters.



Yes, some people get pleasure out of that. Don't want them around.


Yet, you allowed Aphroman sign on with a completely new screen name/profile (and deleted his old one, which led the pack with comments in Comment Jail), only so he could continue his ad hom attacks under this new profile?

What's up with that?
276   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 11, 10:44am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

MrMagic says
Yet, you allowed Aphroman sign on with a completely new screen name/profile (and deleted his old one, which led the pack with comments in Comment Jail), only so he could continue his ad hom attacks under this new profile?

What's up with that?


Can someone quote some of these supposed ad hom attacks from Aphro?
277   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 11, 1:08pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Yep--nobody left because they couldn't ad hom. They left because pat.net became a place where free speech was no longer welcome unless you are on the right team.
278   TwoScoopsOfWompWomp   ignore (2)   2018 Jul 11, 1:10pm   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Bullshit. It was the TDS flipouts that caused the ad hom ban, and THAT was literally given as the reason by TDSers that it was no longer "Free Speech" unless you could call everybody a retarded Trumptard scumbag five times in a post.
279   RafiMaas   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 11, 1:15pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says
Bullshit. It was the TDS flipouts that caused the ad hom ban, and THAT was literally given as the reason by TDSers that it was no longer "Free Speech" unless you could call everybody a retarded Trumptard scumbag five times in a post.


How is saying someone has a disease not a personal comment? TDS should not be allowed as it is a personal attack how is this not obvious?
280   RafiMaas   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 11, 1:16pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

LeonDurham says
Yep--nobody left because they couldn't ad hom. They left because pat.net became a place where free speech was no longer welcome unless you are on the right team.
they left because having moderators only on 1 team is really not moderation at all.
281   Aphroman   ignore (7)   2018 Jul 11, 1:21pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

RafiMaas says
TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says
Bullshit. It was the TDS flipouts that caused the ad hom ban, and THAT was literally given as the reason by TDSers that it was no longer "Free Speech" unless you could call everybody a retarded Trumptard scumbag five times in a post.


How is saying someone has a disease not a personal comment? TDS should not be allowed as it is a personal attack how is this not obvious?


If i post that someone has #TDS, it gets censored. Lol just like my previous post which had no personal attacks

I find it hilarious when someone tells me that I have TDS. I was rooting for Trump long before it became the popular thing for the preteen girls to do. Daddy! We love you!

The whole TDS bullshit is the same tactic FoxNews uses to fling ad homs. Just attack your fellow countrymen “the enemy” relentlessly because you don’t want them to have Free Speech

The Right is batshit crazy, and they’re antithetical to everything America was founded on. It’s pathetic
282   RafiMaas   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 11, 1:22pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

LeonDurham says
MrMagic says
Yet, you allowed Aphroman sign on with a completely new screen name/profile (and deleted his old one, which led the pack with comments in Comment Jail), only so he could continue his ad hom attacks under this new profile?

What's up with that?


Can someone quote some of these supposed ad hom attacks from Aphro?
should have comment jail again and have mods reinstate messages after personal attacks have been corrected.
283   Aphroman   ignore (7)   2018 Jul 11, 1:23pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

RafiMaas says
TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says
Bullshit. It was the TDS flipouts that caused the ad hom ban, and THAT was literally given as the reason by TDSers that it was no longer "Free Speech" unless you could call everybody a retarded Trumptard scumbag five times in a post.


How is saying someone has a disease not a personal comment? TDS should not be allowed as it is a personal attack how is this not obvious?


It’s hard to understand what these TDSers are even upset about. You “won” the election, wtf are you so bitter about?

I can imagine that it’s a shitty feeling as they wake up to the fact that they were played, and used up like a condom, discarded in the trash
284   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Jul 11, 1:23pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Aphroman says
The Right is batshit crazy, and they’re antithetical to everything America was founded on. It’s pathetic


I applaud you for critiquing a group rather than an individual.

Regarding your critique, who is the "right"? This is an honest question. Do you just mean R's? Or anyone who voted for Trump? Both of those groups? Right vs left has lost all meaning. Its just R's vs D's now, both pathetic groups.

Lose the R vD mindset and join libertarians like the cool kids
285   Aphroman   ignore (7)   2018 Jul 11, 1:24pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

@Patrick why are you censoring my posts again? What is the excuse this time?

Rogue moderator coward with an axe to grind again?
286   Aphroman   ignore (7)   2018 Jul 11, 1:33pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

CBOEtrader says
Aphroman says
The Right is batshit crazy, and they’re antithetical to everything America was founded on. It’s pathetic


I applaud you for critiquing a group rather than an individual.

Regarding your critique, who is the "right"? This is an honest question. Do you just mean R's? Or anyone who voted for Trump? Both of those groups? Right vs left has lost all meaning. Its just R's vs D's now, both pathetic groups.

Lose the R vD mindset and join libertarians like the cool kids


Lol Libertarians are indistinguishable from Republicans

Feel free to prove me wrong


Since you’re so concerned with the messenger here, personally I’ve always been politically agnostic. I’m not willing to swallow a shit sandwich just to be part of the team, and both teams are far too full of shit
287   Onvacation   ignore (2)   2018 Jul 11, 1:33pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

RafiMaas says
they left because having moderators only on 1 team is really not moderation at all.

And that is the problem: teams.
I am not a republican. And I am certainly not a democrat. What team am I on?
If people would stick to the topic we could have a civil debate but the trolls and sockpuppets cant compete against facts so they attack anyone not on their "team" .
288   Aphroman   ignore (7)   2018 Jul 11, 1:36pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

RafiMaas says
LeonDurham says
MrMagic says
Yet, you allowed Aphroman sign on with a completely new screen name/profile (and deleted his old one, which led the pack with comments in Comment Jail), only so he could continue his ad hom attacks under this new profile?

What's up with that?


Can someone quote some of these supposed ad hom attacks from Aphro?
should have comment jail again and have mods reinstate messages after personal attacks have been corrected.


Yea that a select few mods that are accountable to nobody are able to censor whatever they please to carry out their personal agendas is definitely the main reason Participation is so far down here
289   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 11, 2:18pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says
Bullshit. It was the TDS flipouts that caused the ad hom ban, and THAT was literally given as the reason by TDSers that it was no longer "Free Speech" unless you could call everybody a retarded Trumptard scumbag five times in a post.


Pretty much. Not to mention the most vile, racist comments were levied by those crying "free speech!"
290   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 11, 2:52pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says
Bullshit. It was the TDS flipouts that caused the ad hom ban, and THAT was literally given as the reason by TDSers that it was no longer "Free Speech" unless you could call everybody a retarded Trumptard scumbag five times in a post.


Nope--that's bullshit. It was ironman that caused the ad hom ban. He's on the Trump bandwagon.

Things were fine with banning ad homs. People didn't leave until Patrick chose to outsource moderation to one team.
291   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 11, 2:52pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Goran_K says

Pretty much. Not to mention the most vile, racist comments were levied by those crying "free speech!"


Nope--the most vile were Ironman. Without question.

Although there is an extremely racist post title currently active on the home screen. But the author is on the right team so it's no problem.
292   FortWayne   ignore (2)   2018 Jul 11, 2:56pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

I had my posts deleted. But I just learned to not adhom instead of taking it personally and quitting.

RafiMaas says
LeonDurham says
Yep--nobody left because they couldn't ad hom. They left because pat.net became a place where free speech was no longer welcome unless you are on the right team.
they left because having moderators only on 1 team is really not moderation at all.
293   dr6B   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 11, 3:12pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

LeonDurham says
Although there is an extremely racist post title currently active on the home screen. But the author is on the right team so it's no problem.


If you mean Hey N... police your own, the author is HEYYOU and he is on no teams other than his own
294   RafiMaas   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 11, 3:29pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Goran_K says
TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says
Bullshit. It was the TDS flipouts that caused the ad hom ban, and THAT was literally given as the reason by TDSers that it was no longer "Free Speech" unless you could call everybody a retarded Trumptard scumbag five times in a post.


Pretty much. Not to mention the most vile, racist comments were levied by those crying "free speech!"


Hey moderators, is saying someone has a disease a personal attack or not? Avoiding the question?
295   dr6B   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 11, 3:40pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Aphroman says
Lol Libertarians are indistinguishable from Republicans

Feel free to prove me wrong

296   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 11, 4:14pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

FortWayne says
I had my posts deleted. But I just learned to not adhom instead of taking it personally and quitting.


Exactly. That's my point. Nobody left because of the adhom rules. They left because of the outsourced moderators obvious bias.
297   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 11, 4:17pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

dr6B says
If you mean Hey N... police your own, the author is HEYYOU and he is on no teams other than his own


You're right. My mistake--I was thinking it was a different author.
298   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Jul 11, 7:42pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Aphroman says
@Patrick why are you censoring my posts again? What is the excuse this time?


Isn't that the same issue as with your last profile here?

Some things never change.

Aphroman says
Rogue moderator coward with an axe to grind again?


Hmmmmm......
299   Aphroman   ignore (7)   2018 Jul 12, 12:56am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

dr6B says
Aphroman says
Lol Libertarians are indistinguishable from Republicans

Feel free to prove me wrong



Ron Paul is a Republican

Funny that you posted this. At the top of the list it says minorities are disproportionately punished by the War on Drugs. I posted a thread a few weeks ago about ending Cannabis Prohibition and how it disproportionately punished minorities, and you said we need to leave race out of it. Being that the issue is deeply rooted in racism, as Paul says, why is it important to ignore such an obvious fact?

Does pretending it doesn’t exist help somehow?
300   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Jul 12, 1:04am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Aphroman says
Lol Libertarians are indistinguishable from Republicans


McCain = HRC = Obama = Bush

Rand Paul is a totally different breed.

You still haven't answered the question of who is right vs left. Are you just talking about R's vs D's? Go ask George HW Bush who his scion R family all voted for in 2016 POTUS election. Then come back and tell us what right vs left means.
301   dr6B   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 12, 6:25am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Aphroman says
Being that the issue is deeply rooted in racism, as Paul says, why is it important to ignore such an obvious fact?

Does pretending it doesn’t exist help somehow?

1. The fact that stupid drug war influences minorities more does not mean that currently it is rooted in racism. It was (initially, at least for MJ-but not necessarily for other drugs), but now the prohibition machine is crushing everyone who is poor, as minorities are poorer, they suffer more. Cause here is not race, it is economics. I am sure Hollywood and Washington are snorting coke like crazy yet poor guy is going to jail.

2. RP is R in name only as his voting record shows, and he run as Prez from Libertarian party many times. His voting record and views shows that L's are different from R's. Too bad R's redristricted him out of his district. Kind of similar to what D's did to Kucinich and Sanders.
302   PeopleUnited   ignore (2)   2018 Aug 9, 7:14pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

dr6B says
Aphroman says
Being that the issue is deeply rooted in racism, as Paul says, why is it important to ignore such an obvious fact?

Does pretending it doesn’t exist help somehow?

1. The fact that stupid drug war influences minorities more does not mean that currently it is rooted in racism. It was (initially, at least for MJ-but not necessarily for other drugs), but now the prohibition machine is crushing everyone who is poor, as minorities are poorer, they suffer more. Cause here is not race, it is economics. I am sure Hollywood and Washington are snorting coke like crazy yet poor guy is going to jail.

2. RP is R in name only as his voting record shows, and he run as Prez from Libertarian party many times. His voting record and views shows that L's are different from R's. Too bad R's redristricted him out of his district. Kind of similar to what D's did to Kucinich and Sanders.


Don't you think the primary reason for prohibition is that certain people will lose a lot of money if drugs were cheap, and legal? There are other reasons of course, for example making drugs illegal will theoretically make it harder to do stupid things like overdose and do crimes while under the influence both of which are a burden borne by those who have no involvement in the drug trade, competing legal drugs, or law enforcement.
303   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Aug 9, 7:45pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

I do think the primary reason for prohibition of marijuana was and is money. Keeping it illegal keeps prisons profitably full and prevents competition with alcohol interests.

It also provides a windfall to police though civil forfeiture:

Yet strong institutional forces have kept nearly every law enforcement professional association opposed to reform. Starting with the Reagan administration, police departments were encouraged to seize and sell property associated with drug busts, which significantly augmented their revenue. Between 2002 and 2012, law enforcement agencies collected about $1 billion from marijuana arrests, according to Justice Department data.


https://www.thenation.com/article/anti-pot-lobbys-big-bankroll/
304   Aphroman   ignore (7)   2018 Aug 10, 5:22am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Criminalizing weed gave the police and government the ability to further marginalize, profile, and arrest minorities

Henry Anslinger was the first commissioner of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics in 1930

“The herb makes darkies think they’re as good as white men”

“Reefer cause white women to seek sexual relations with negroes, entertainers and any others”

“The primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races”

———————
Nixon


"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people," former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman told Harper's writer Dan Baum for the April cover story published Tuesday.

"You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin. And then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities," Ehrlichman said. "We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."
306   Aphroman   ignore (7)   2018 Aug 10, 5:32am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

In this photo replace with the muslim with the white architects of Prohibition, and a noose around a negros neck with caption “I’m trying to fuck over the niggers”

Replace the old lady with right wing denialists: “no you’re not”


This is an absolute, provable, iron clad fact backed up with the people’s own words and admission of their motives.

What is beyond bizarre is that certain people continue to try and explain it away with some wierd nonsense. Incapable of being honest and an admission of the fact, they will attempt any distraction in lieu of simply admitting reality.

The question is, why?

Why are some white peoples so confused about Prohibition and it’s racist roots? What do they think they lose by being honest and embracing the truth, other than a disgusting grip of power to destroy they are unwilling to cede? Here’s a hint, carrying the torch for that big lie serves you NO BENEFIT! Only COST

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