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428   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 22, 2:07pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
As if there are people who support illegal immigration? Who is arguing for it?


Most Democrats directly support and encourage illegal immigration by:

* granting government benefits to illegals, such as free tuition, at the expense of US citizens
* refusal to support ICE's defense of our southern border, to the degree that ICE employees and their families have been attacked
* refusal to even utter the correct legal term: "illegal alien"

Illegal alien was dropped eventually for illegal immigrant, but even that wasn’t enough for the P.C. police in the Democratic Party. Now, we are told, they are in fact “undocumented immigrants.” Undocumented, of course, sounds as if the only thing separating them from legal immigrants is a few bits of paper that old Uncle Sam just forgot to give them.

In a shameless perversion of both fact and language, some of the more extreme proponents of mass immigration have even begun calling illegal aliens “undocumented Americans” or “undocumented citizens.” Of course, they are neither American nor American citizens, but this is of little consequence to proponents of mass migration. “No human being is illegal,” claimed Ramos in an interview with Chris Cuomo.


https://www.lifezette.com/2016/06/do-democrats-support-illegal-immigration/
429   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 22, 2:12pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says

Most Democrats directly support and encourage illegal immigration by:


Nope. They all support border security. Claiming Dems don't support defense of our southern border is an outright lie.
430   mell   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 22, 2:15pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HeadSet says
Show me a time when Americans haven't celebrated their roots? Have you forgotten where your family came from?

Like St Patrick's Day? Lots of celebrations all over, but how many actually can speak any Gaelic?


America prospered most when primarily Caucasian with a limited number of primarily Caucasian and Asian immigrants. Also those immigrants overcame real adversities without whining or pissing on the flag uniting under the American identity. Like the Irish or Italian who now have to make a bid to keep Columbus day because of leftoid idiocy. No country with majority unassimilated diversity has ever succeeded. Those that take in so many immigrants that they reach majority diversity need to make sure the immigrants are tribally compatible and integrate into the country's identity faster than new immigrants arrive and they need to strictly enforce existing laws to swiftly kick out those undermining the system. Otherwise it's lights out.

#MAGA
431   mell   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 22, 2:16pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
LeonDurham says
As if there are people who support illegal immigration? Who is arguing for it?


Most Democrats directly support and approve of illegal immigration by:

* granting government benefits to illegals, such as free tuition
* refusal to support ICE's defense of our southern border, to the degree that ICE employees and their families have been attacked
* refusal to even utter the correct legal term: "illegal alien"

Illegal alien was dropped eventually for illegal immigrant, but even that wasn’t enough for the P.C. police in the Democratic Party. Now, we are told, they are in fact “undocumented immigrants.” Undocumented, of course, sounds as if the only thing separating them from legal immigrants is a few bits of paper that old Uncle Sam just forgot to give them.

In a shameless perversion of both fact and language, some of the more extreme proponents o...


Correct.
432   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 22, 2:26pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

mell says
Otherwise it's lights out.


Facebook's head of advertising, Rob Goldman, got in a shitload of trouble for:

1. disproving that the Russians had placed any ads to influence the presidential election
2. proving that the Russians did indeed place many ads after the election deliberately to stir up divisive diversity issues, like race

Russia did harm America by dividing us. Diversity made it easy for them.

The solution is simple: stop promoting the harmful and divisive diversity agenda, and instead concentrate on unity as Americans of many origins. What we can really be proud of is assimilating people from all cultures, accepting and making Americans out of them so that their American identity is their primary identity.
433   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 22, 3:02pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
The solution is simple: stop promoting the harmful and divisive diversity agenda, and instead concentrate on unity as Americans of many origins. What we can really be proud of is assimilating people from all cultures, accepting and making Americans out of them so that their American identity is their primary identity.



It's also time to get State Universities to require Western Civ courses again. Western Civ i & II, plus a course in Western Philosophy and Science.

How many Liberal Arts majors know who Humphrey Davies or John Locke are? While they say that 32 Genders = Science, POCs must be segregated, and Chemistry is from Arabia (it isn't, in fact the word itself is Greek - Khemia - "To Pour Together".).

People have no clue that 95% of everything was invented by Westerners in the past 200-300 years. Clearly the superior civilization, and something to be proud of.
434   Rocketmanjoe   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 22, 3:06pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Facebook's head of advertising, Rob Goldman, got in a shitload of trouble for:


If what he said was true, then why did he apologize?


https://www.wired.com/story/facebook-executive-rob-goldman-apologizes-to-company-and-robert-mueller/
435   Rocketmanjoe   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 22, 3:11pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
* refusal to support ICE's defense of our southern border, to the degree that ICE employees and their families have been attacked


How many agencies do we need at the boarder?
US customs and border protection isn't enough?
436   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 22, 3:13pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rocketmanjoe says
If what he said was true, then why did he apologize?


Because he wanted to keep his job.

People get fired for telling the truth all the time, especially in Silicon Valley. Case of James Damore in point.
437   Rocketmanjoe   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 22, 3:41pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Rocketmanjoe says
If what he said was true, then why did he apologize?


Because he wanted to keep his job.

People get fired for telling the truth all the time, especially in Silicon Valley. Case of James Damore in point.


That is one possiblity but it is also possible that he was wrong. So was it a requirement for him to apologize to Mueller? That seems a strange request of the Facebook.
438   Rocketmanjoe   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 23, 3:37am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Facebook's head of advertising, Rob Goldman, got in a shitload of trouble for:

1. disproving that the Russians had placed any ads to influence the presidential election
2. proving that the Russians did indeed place many ads after the election deliberately to stir up divisive diversity issues, like race


Did you ever stop to think that maybe it wasn't ads that the russians used before the election? Did they not get the most divisive president that they could hope for? Hilary won the popular vote, if you wanted less divisive you should have Been With Her.

How can you trust a guy who won't release his tax returns? Who hires foreign workers to be servers and cooks, jobs that could go to Americans? Who trusts Vladimir Putin?

If you truly want unity you are backing the wrong guy. He will never unite this country. I didn't Trust Trump 30 years ago I'm not going to start trusting the liar now.
439   Rocketmanjoe   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 23, 4:43am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Rocketmanjoe says
Diversity is what shaped this country


Weren't you just saying that the melting pot is what shaped this country?


Yes, It wouldn't be a melting pot without diversity, now would it?

Division divides us. Not diversity. Maybe it's time to question your sources?
440   Rocketmanjoe   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 23, 5:34am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Diversity weakens a country


@patrick Do you ever go out to eat? Do you only go to American restaurants? Me and my wife we go out to eat, we eat at Korean, Chinese, Italian, Mexican ... We have many diverse types of food to choose from. Wouldn't it suck if we didn't have a diverse selection of restaurants to choose from?

So why does our diversity of restaurants make this country weak?

Next, shoes. Wouldn't it suck if the only shoes we could buy are NIKE? Luckily we are able to choose from a diverse selection of brands.

Wouldn't it suck if you only had one stain of weed to choose from? But, no you don't, you have a diverse selection to choose from and that is what makes America great.

Diversity makes America great.

Politics have divided us. Keeping us from uniting as Americans. If people would just be honest and not just side with their team, speak up when they agree with someone not on their team, this would go along way to unite us. I'm pretty sure I've seen some do this here but few and far between. I agree that politics is what is dividing us but don't agree it is diversity.

We can unite as Americans without forgetting our many diverse roots. Those diverse roots should never be erased or forgotten and also shouldn't divided us as Americans.
441   Aphroman   ignore (7)   2018 Sep 23, 5:51am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

dr6B says
Patrick says
knock down wages for the poorest Americans

That is probably a sufficient argument for stopping illegal immigration.

I am sure that The Masters of Universe (TM) who own packing and construction industries are all for higher profit margins due to employment of illegals. American workers meanwhile see the wages stagnate because Masters can buy an extra yacht..


Only if you pretend that business would pay higher wages to Americans if only we eliminated illegals.

As if the unemployed Americans would do those jobs, and as if business is ready to pay them more simply for being Americans.

Sounds silly as all hell

That argument might have carried a little water twenty years ago. Not sure how the oligarchs have manipulated the Trumpkins into parroting something that is so obviously false in 2018
442   Aphroman   ignore (7)   2018 Sep 23, 5:56am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Don’t Trust People

Trust Their Incentives
443   Rocketmanjoe   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 23, 7:06am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Aphroman says
dr6B says
Patrick says
knock down wages for the poorest Americans

That is probably a sufficient argument for stopping illegal immigration.

I am sure that The Masters of Universe (TM) who own construction industries are all for higher profit margins due to employment of illegals.


Only if you pretend that business would pay higher wages to Americans


First off, doesn't Trump own construction companies?

More over don't the H2B unskilled foreign workers that Trump hired at Mar a Lago take jobs away from Americans and knock down their wages?

https://www.epi.org/publication/h2b-temporary-foreign-worker-program-for-labor-shortages-or-cheap-temporary-labor/

Trump just wants cheap temporary labor. Just because it's legal doesn't mean he should use H2B visa holders as his preferred method of employment for unskilled labor. Here is a perfect example of this... Just because abortion is legal doesn't mean it should be used as the preferred method of birth control.
444   Rocketmanjoe   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 23, 7:23am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Lol, yes, I'm "literally Hitler" now because I would like to see more unity as Americans.


Who said you were Hitler?

Rocketmanjoe says
That's not how it worked out for Hitler, you remember him? He really was against diversity. So you think Hitler was on to something? That's what it's sounding like to me.


The master race blonde hair and blue eyes that is about as non diverse as they come. Captain brought up another good example. Communism does not celebrate diversity.

So I ask you @patrick what diversity is it that you speak of that is tearing American apart?

Diversity is the spice of life it IS what makes this country great.
445   FortWayne   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 23, 8:30am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Variety of restaurants isn’t our strength.

Other countries have that too, yet still shitholes.

Diversity exists in shithole nations just the same. There is no benefit. It’s just neutral for most part. And destructive when it gets out of hand.



Rocketmanjoe says
Patrick says
Diversity weakens a country


@patrick Do you ever go out to eat? Do you only go to American restaurants? Me and my wife we go out to eat, we eat at Korean, Chinese, Italian, Mexican ... We have many diverse types of food to choose from. Wouldn't it suck if we didn't have a diverse selection of restaurants to choose from?

So why does our diversity of restaurants make this country weak?

Next, shoes. Wouldn't it suck if the only shoes we could buy are NIKE? Luckily we are able to choose from a diverse selection of brands.

Wouldn't it suck if you only had one stain of weed to choose from? But, no you don't, you have a diverse selection to choose from and that is what makes America great.

Diversity makes America great.

Politics have divided us. Keeping us from uniting as Americans. If people would just be honest and not just side with their te...
446   mell   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 23, 9:34am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Aphroman says
Only if you pretend that business would pay higher wages to Americans if only we eliminated illegals.


lol they do. You must have missed the countless news about companies paying farmers, bakery employees and construction workers more now that they can't find illegals ready to hire. This was a huge Trump success.
447   mell   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 23, 9:40am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayne says
Variety of restaurants isn’t our strength.

Other countries have that too, yet still shitholes.

Diversity exists in shithole nations just the same. There is no benefit. It’s just neutral for most part. And destructive when it gets out of hand.



Rocketmanjoe says
Patrick says
Diversity weakens a country


@patrick Do you ever go out to eat? Do you only go to American restaurants? Me and my wife we go out to eat, we eat at Korean, Chinese, Italian, Mexican ... We have many diverse types of food to choose from. Wouldn't it suck if we didn't have a diverse selection of restaurants to choose from?

So why does our diversity of restaurants make this country weak?

Next, shoes. Wouldn't it suck if the only shoes we could buy are NIKE? Luckily we are able to choose from a diverse selec...


Correct. Iceland doesn't have a large variety of ethnic food yet it's one of the safest countries due to very little ethnic diversity but relatively high intellect and education.
448   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 23, 10:53am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rocketmanjoe says
@patrick Do you ever go out to eat? Do you only go to American restaurants? Me and my wife we go out to eat, we eat at Korean, Chinese, Italian, Mexican ...


Noone but the progressives, "You are appropriating other cultures' food", have a problem w exotic foods.
449   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 23, 12:36pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rocketmanjoe says
patrick what diversity is it that you speak of that is tearing American apart?


@Rocketmanjoe Please read the article:

http://archive.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2007/08/05/the_downside_of_diversity/
450   Aphroman   ignore (7)   2018 Sep 23, 2:39pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

mell says
Aphroman says
Only if you pretend that business would pay higher wages to Americans if only we eliminated illegals.


lol they do. You must have missed the countless news about companies paying farmers, bakery employees and construction workers more now that they can't find illegals ready to hire. This was a huge Trump success.


How many Americans are employed as Farmers and bakery employees?
451   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 23, 3:00pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Aphroman says
Only if you pretend that business would pay higher wages to Americans if only we eliminated illegals.

As if the unemployed Americans would do those jobs, and as if business is ready to pay them more simply for being Americans.


"According to a former consultant to the bakery, MSI paid the black workers $14 an hour, versus the $10 an hour the Mexican workers were making through Labor Network."

https://chicago.suntimes.com/business/at-major-northwest-side-bakery-labor-issues-pit-blacks-vs-hispanics/

Ohhh idk is a 40% wage increase substantial? The factory is happy to employe $10 illegals. Crackdowns and a wall would result in enormous support for trump amongst all working class Americans. Blacks and latino american citizens will continue to get behind trump in huge numbers
452   Aphroman   ignore (7)   2018 Sep 23, 3:09pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
Aphroman says
Only if you pretend that business would pay higher wages to Americans if only we eliminated illegals.

As if the unemployed Americans would do those jobs, and as if business is ready to pay them more simply for being Americans.


"According to a former consultant to the bakery, MSI paid the black workers $14 an hour, versus the $10 an hour the Mexican workers were making through Labor Network."

https://chicago.suntimes.com/business/at-major-northwest-side-bakery-labor-issues-pit-blacks-vs-hispanics/

Ohhh idk is a 40% wage increase substantial? The factory is happy to employe $10 illegals. Crackdowns and a wall would result in enormous support for trump amongst all working class Americans. Blacks and latino american citizens will continue ...


Little Debbie Snack Cakes is in the business of poisoning Americans. The sooner they go out of business, the better.

How much does their existence cost the average Americans in extra healthcare costs?
453   jazz_music   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 23, 3:39pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Aphroman says
Little Debbie Snack Cakes is in the business of poisoning Americans

Be fair, so is Jack Daniels ;-)
454   Rocketmanjoe   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 24, 8:17am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
Ohhh idk is a 40% wage increase substantial? The factory is happy to employe $10 illegals. Crackdowns and a wall would result in enormous support for trump amongst all working class Americans.


If Trump really cared about the working class he wouldn't hiring foreign workers, he'd give those jobs to Americans. He wouldn't be raising tax's on the working class with tariffs. Face it Trump doesn't care about working class Americans.
455   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 24, 8:23am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Yep-Trump's "tax cut" was about as big of a middle finger to the working class as I've ever seen.
456   WookieMan   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 24, 8:57am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rocketmanjoe says
Politics have divided us. Keeping us from uniting as Americans. If people would just be honest and not just side with their team, speak up when they agree with someone not on their team, this would go along way to unite us. I'm pretty sure I've seen some do this here but few and far between. I agree that politics is what is dividing us but don't agree it is diversity.


I generally agree with what you're saying here and get your point of view, but did you go to college? That's not meant as an insult, serious question. And where? (Don't have to give exact school, maybe conference if it was a bigger school as my goal is to not dox anyone)

I went to UIC (University of IL Chicago). They were sooooooo proud of their diversity. You know what the campus looked like? The blacks had their group and would all hang. The whites would all hang out with the other whites. Asians with Asians, etc. Humans self segregate, for good or bad. It's just what we do. And in Chicago, many of these people have their own cultural "way of life" and they segregate themselves into their own large neighborhood or "micro" neighborhoods because that's what they WANT.

Diversity is forced and doesn't actually exist, which I think is what Patrick is somewhat getting at (tell me if I'm wrong). It's a social construct that is being forced on people to shame them for not hanging out with the black guy or the asian dude or the lesbian. My motto is hang out with who you want and everyone else that has a problem with that can go fuck themselves. Don't hate others, which there's no reason to, and we can all have a good time. Don't tell me though that I'm bad for not having a black or asian friend though, because that is what diversity has become. It's not about melting anything anymore.
457   jazz_music   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 24, 10:01am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
Yep-Trump's "tax cut" was about as big of a middle finger to the working class as I've ever seen.

Net Neutrality counts big as a "middle finger to the working class"

WTF the whole Heritage Foundation package was anti-American as hell. That's how we got the healthcare we got, it was that or nothing. Nothing doesn't work because too many people were dying. How do the Republicans get to do these things to us and never get thrown in jail for it.

We need to get one of us into our government to subvert the program away from the wealthy takers.
458   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 22, 6:25pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Suggestion: GIlding posts with a donation to Patnet.
459   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 22, 7:18pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Thanks, would not be hard.

What would gilding do exactly? Make the post more prominent? Gold border?
460   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Oct 22, 7:34pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Thanks, would not be hard.

What would gilding do exactly? Make the post more prominent? Gold border?


I'd have it stick to the top of the page as one scrolls through, so that everyone must read the gilded post as context for any thread. Want a new gilded post? Just outbid the last guy
461   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Oct 22, 7:35pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

And do it in pat.coins , new crypto
462   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 22, 8:23pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Dunno, seems like a violation of editorial integrity. I don't want to stoop anywhere near as low as, say, NPR or CNN, both of which are simply whores at this point.

I don't have much, but I still have my hymen, so to speak.
463   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 22, 8:28pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
I'd have it stick to the top of the page as one scrolls through, so that everyone must read the gilded post as context for any thread. Want a new gilded post? Just outbid the last guy


Something like this, but I was thinking more of a link to all the gold plated posts at the top of the page, maybe only the last one or two displaying.

Also, you could set a requirement that it have 3:1 Likes and a minimum of 10 likes to qualify, so it's not pure $$$.
464   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 22, 8:32pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I appreciate the ideas for monetization.

But why should anyone's post be granted a higher status just because they paid? Don't you want quality above all else?
465   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 22, 9:22pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
But why should anyone's post be granted a higher status just because they paid? Don't you want quality above all else?



Definitely, so I suggest some kind of minimum upvotes, and/or a high upvote/downvote ratio.

We can gild the top rated posts?

Anything I can do to help with monetization, I'm willing to help out.
466   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Oct 22, 9:26pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Does gilding work that way on Reddit?

Or what about letting users tip other users, so good writers can get paid a bit? (With a modest 10% commission on that tip going to the site.) I could keep score on the site, and pay out when a balance gets above $20 or so. Would I have to issue a 1099 MISC then?
467   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Oct 22, 11:32pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

If we're just brainstorming than I'd like to see a steam-it type concept wherein likes, quotes, upvotes, shares, etc... all count towards point totals per user, but maybe this just works on huge sites like quora.

Gamification and in-community currencies, it worked for world of warcraft. Just spitballin

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