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374   jazz_music   ignore (6)   2018 Sep 22, 10:01am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

That photo is damning evidence that Fox News, O'Reilly in this case makes shit up and lies to its audience who are half asleep or on their way to/from work.

But you watch this trash so this is your reality.

Fox News took a beating after tweeting that photo appearing to show Obama “in Muslim garb.”

“Photo of Obama in Muslim garb shows deep ties to faith, O’Reilly says,” the news network tweeted on Thursday night, attaching a photo of Obama at his half-brother’s Maryland wedding in the 1990’s.
375   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 22, 10:35am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Illegals not only knock down wages for the poorest Americans, they also greatly increase the strain on police and emergency rooms without paying, and then drain billions by simply shipping it home.

http://www.cairco.org/issues/remittances

376   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 22, 10:41am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Illegals not only knock down wages for the poorest Americans, they also greatly increase the strain on police and emergency rooms without paying, and then drain billions by simply shipping it home.


Mostly not true-they pay the taxes that support police. They ship home what Americans save. Consumption is mostly the same.
377   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 22, 11:19am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rocketmanjoe says
Why do people insist on being so dishonest.


@Rocketmanjoe IMHO, all political argument is basically just rationalization for feelings.

That is, the surface arguments are mostly "dishonest" in the sense that they do not have much to do with the true motivating feelings. Supporting evidence will be eagerly used, while negating evidence will be quietly ignored. This is not a specifically Republican or Democratic mechanism, it's universal.

What people are really arguing about is hard to hear because it remains unspoken. And it cannot be spoken because it's embarrassing, and generally not a valid argument to begin with. Some examples:

* I am an X, and X's all believe Y. Therefore Y is true! (motivation by identity)
* I feel bad because others seem to be doing better than my group, therefore others are racist/sexist/other bad thing! (motivation by resentment)
* I really like my capital gains, so I must deserve them, and it's wrong to tax what I deserve. (motivation by fear of loss)

All these kinds of half-baked "reasoning" are really just self-interest, and so cannot be spoken truthfully. The bogus surface arguments will go on forever without ever getting to the right answer. The right answer is always this: My self is your self. I do not like your pain. We are brothers because we are both American/human/male/any other kind of group.

The only question is where to draw the line. Who is "we"? A small homogeneous "we" has very strong group identity and prospers, but is weak numerically and so is always afraid of the majority whom they have alienated. This is the Jewish strategy. A larger "we" has a weaker group identity, but more numerical strength.

For maximum harmony, stability, and prosperity, I say that "we" should be the country. Not the whole world, and not some sub-group of the country. Diversity weakens a country, which is why all colonial empires worked hard at stamping out or downplaying diversity, homogenizing the loyalty of their subjects through a single language, single religion, single king, single center of power. They recognized that the whole enterprise would fall apart without a strong group identity.
378   mell   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 22, 11:43am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Good answer/explanation.

#MAGA
379   Elgatouno   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 22, 12:41pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Diversity weakens a country


Then why the term "melting pot" diversity is what made this country great. Don't let anyone tell you different
380   Elgatouno   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 22, 12:45pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
They recognized that the whole enterprise would fall apart without a strong group identity.


And yet they still feel apart.
381   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 22, 12:46pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rocketmanjoe says
Then why the term "melting pot" diversity is what made this country great. Don't let anyone tell you different


Yes, the "melting pot" is exactly what made the country great!

Think about it: the melting pot melts down the previous identity and creates a new one. America took people from everywhere, and made them into Americans.

The "diversity" was recognized as the primary danger to our unity as a country, and so the diversity was deliberately erased by the melting pot.

Diversity = Death
382   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 22, 12:48pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rocketmanjoe says
Patrick says
They recognized that the whole enterprise would fall apart without a strong group identity.


And yet they still feel apart.


They succeeded only as long as "diversity" did not infect the empire.

As soon as the various subgroups asserted other identities, the center could not hold, and it fell apart.

But as long as the subgroups felt they were part of the whole, not separate groups, the empire prospered.
383   Elgatouno   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 22, 12:52pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Illegals


Tell me, how much of that remittance is from illegals? You do realize it's not just illegals who remit? In fact legals remit far more than illegals because the get a far bigger pay check.
384   Elgatouno   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 22, 1:03pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
They succeeded only as long as "diversity" did not infect the empire.


That's not how it worked out for Hitler, you remember him? He really was against diversity.
So you think Hitler was on to something? That's what it's sounding like to me.
385   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 22, 1:25pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Lol, yes, I'm "literally Hitler" now because I would like to see more unity as Americans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

there is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that, when a Hitler comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever made the comparison loses whatever debate is in progress.[7] This principle is itself frequently referred to as Godwin's law.
386   Elgatouno   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 22, 1:27pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
But as long as the subgroups felt they were part of the whole, not separate groups, the empire prospered.


So then, how is it that the United States, the great melting pot, has prospered? We have many sub groups. They sometimes live in the same area. Like in Daly City lots of Philippinos. China Town, Japan town, little Italy and yet we were the greatest country in the world. Diversity is what shaped this country, made this country great, is it really that hard to see?
387   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 22, 1:29pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rocketmanjoe says
Diversity is what shaped this country


Weren't you just saying that the melting pot is what shaped this country?

(Woah, comment 420 dude!)
388   d6rB   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 22, 1:32pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
knock down wages for the poorest Americans

That is probably a sufficient argument for stopping illegal immigration.

I am sure that The Masters of Universe (TM) who own packing and construction industries are all for higher profit margins due to employment of illegals. American workers meanwhile see the wages stagnate because Masters can buy an extra yacht..
389   FortWayne   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 22, 1:41pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Stalin was against Capitalism. Do u think he was onto something? Or do you prefer the workers socialist party?

See we can all draw parallels.

Rocketmanjoe says
Patrick says
They succeeded only as long as "diversity" did not infect the empire.


That's not how it worked out for Hitler, you remember him? He really was against diversity.
So you think Hitler was on to something? That's what it's sounding like to me.
390   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 22, 1:42pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

dr6B says
That is probably a sufficient argument for stopping illegal immigration.


As if there are people who support illegal immigration? Who is arguing for it?
391   d6rB   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 22, 1:45pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says

As if there are people who support illegal immigration? Who is arguing for it?

Then it is simple indeed. Instead of arguing about minute details, we all agree that a) need to introduce E-Verify, b) prison times for employers of illegals, whether for chicken processing plant owners or people who hire illegals for mowing lawns, and c) if police catch an illegal, they deport xe.
392   Elgatouno   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 22, 1:46pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
The "diversity" was recognized as the primary danger to our unity as a country, and so the diversity was deliberately erased by the melting pot.


Show me a time when Americans haven't celebrated their roots? Have you forgotten where your family came from? Or is it from all over the place because of the fact that the United States is a melting pot.
393   Elgatouno   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 22, 1:56pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayne says
Stalin was against Capitalism. Do u think he was onto something? Or do you prefer the workers socialist party?

See we can all draw parallels.


I'm guessing Stalin was against diversity too.

Thanks for the help Captain.
394   HeadSet   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 22, 1:57pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Show me a time when Americans haven't celebrated their roots? Have you forgotten where your family came from?

Like St Patrick's Day? Lots of celebrations all over, but how many actually can speak any Gaelic?
395   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 22, 2:07pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
As if there are people who support illegal immigration? Who is arguing for it?


Most Democrats directly support and encourage illegal immigration by:

* granting government benefits to illegals, such as free tuition, at the expense of US citizens
* refusal to support ICE's defense of our southern border, to the degree that ICE employees and their families have been attacked
* refusal to even utter the correct legal term: "illegal alien"

Illegal alien was dropped eventually for illegal immigrant, but even that wasn’t enough for the P.C. police in the Democratic Party. Now, we are told, they are in fact “undocumented immigrants.” Undocumented, of course, sounds as if the only thing separating them from legal immigrants is a few bits of paper that old Uncle Sam just forgot to give them.

In a shameless perversion of both fact and language, some of the more extreme proponents of mass immigration have even begun calling illegal aliens “undocumented Americans” or “undocumented citizens.” Of course, they are neither American nor American citizens, but this is of little consequence to proponents of mass migration. “No human being is illegal,” claimed Ramos in an interview with Chris Cuomo.


https://www.lifezette.com/2016/06/do-democrats-support-illegal-immigration/
396   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 22, 2:12pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says

Most Democrats directly support and encourage illegal immigration by:


Nope. They all support border security. Claiming Dems don't support defense of our southern border is an outright lie.
397   mell   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 22, 2:15pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HeadSet says
Show me a time when Americans haven't celebrated their roots? Have you forgotten where your family came from?

Like St Patrick's Day? Lots of celebrations all over, but how many actually can speak any Gaelic?


America prospered most when primarily Caucasian with a limited number of primarily Caucasian and Asian immigrants. Also those immigrants overcame real adversities without whining or pissing on the flag uniting under the American identity. Like the Irish or Italian who now have to make a bid to keep Columbus day because of leftoid idiocy. No country with majority unassimilated diversity has ever succeeded. Those that take in so many immigrants that they reach majority diversity need to make sure the immigrants are tribally compatible and integrate into the country's identity faster than new immigrants arrive and they need to strictly enforce existing laws to swiftly kick out those undermining the system. Otherwise it's lights out.

#MAGA
398   mell   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 22, 2:16pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
LeonDurham says
As if there are people who support illegal immigration? Who is arguing for it?


Most Democrats directly support and approve of illegal immigration by:

* granting government benefits to illegals, such as free tuition
* refusal to support ICE's defense of our southern border, to the degree that ICE employees and their families have been attacked
* refusal to even utter the correct legal term: "illegal alien"

Illegal alien was dropped eventually for illegal immigrant, but even that wasn’t enough for the P.C. police in the Democratic Party. Now, we are told, they are in fact “undocumented immigrants.” Undocumented, of course, sounds as if the only thing separating them from legal immigrants is a few bits of paper that old Uncle Sam just forgot to give them.

In a shameless perversion of both fact and language, some of the more extreme proponents o...


Correct.
399   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 22, 2:26pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

mell says
Otherwise it's lights out.


Facebook's head of advertising, Rob Goldman, got in a shitload of trouble for:

1. disproving that the Russians had placed any ads to influence the presidential election
2. proving that the Russians did indeed place many ads after the election deliberately to stir up divisive diversity issues, like race

Russia did harm America by dividing us. Diversity made it easy for them.

The solution is simple: stop promoting the harmful and divisive diversity agenda, and instead concentrate on unity as Americans of many origins. What we can really be proud of is assimilating people from all cultures, accepting and making Americans out of them so that their American identity is their primary identity.
400   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 22, 3:02pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
The solution is simple: stop promoting the harmful and divisive diversity agenda, and instead concentrate on unity as Americans of many origins. What we can really be proud of is assimilating people from all cultures, accepting and making Americans out of them so that their American identity is their primary identity.



It's also time to get State Universities to require Western Civ courses again. Western Civ i & II, plus a course in Western Philosophy and Science.

How many Liberal Arts majors know who Humphrey Davies or John Locke are? While they say that 32 Genders = Science, POCs must be segregated, and Chemistry is from Arabia (it isn't, in fact the word itself is Greek - Khemia - "To Pour Together".).

People have no clue that 95% of everything was invented by Westerners in the past 200-300 years. Clearly the superior civilization, and something to be proud of.
401   Elgatouno   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 22, 3:06pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Facebook's head of advertising, Rob Goldman, got in a shitload of trouble for:


If what he said was true, then why did he apologize?


https://www.wired.com/story/facebook-executive-rob-goldman-apologizes-to-company-and-robert-mueller/
402   Elgatouno   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 22, 3:11pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
* refusal to support ICE's defense of our southern border, to the degree that ICE employees and their families have been attacked


How many agencies do we need at the boarder?
US customs and border protection isn't enough?
403   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 22, 3:13pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rocketmanjoe says
If what he said was true, then why did he apologize?


Because he wanted to keep his job.

People get fired for telling the truth all the time, especially in Silicon Valley. Case of James Damore in point.
404   Elgatouno   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 22, 3:41pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Rocketmanjoe says
If what he said was true, then why did he apologize?


Because he wanted to keep his job.

People get fired for telling the truth all the time, especially in Silicon Valley. Case of James Damore in point.


That is one possiblity but it is also possible that he was wrong. So was it a requirement for him to apologize to Mueller? That seems a strange request of the Facebook.
405   Elgatouno   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 23, 3:37am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Facebook's head of advertising, Rob Goldman, got in a shitload of trouble for:

1. disproving that the Russians had placed any ads to influence the presidential election
2. proving that the Russians did indeed place many ads after the election deliberately to stir up divisive diversity issues, like race


Did you ever stop to think that maybe it wasn't ads that the russians used before the election? Did they not get the most divisive president that they could hope for? Hilary won the popular vote, if you wanted less divisive you should have Been With Her.

How can you trust a guy who won't release his tax returns? Who hires foreign workers to be servers and cooks, jobs that could go to Americans? Who trusts Vladimir Putin?

If you truly want unity you are backing the wrong guy. He will never unite this country. I didn't Trust Trump 30 years ago I'm not going to start trusting the liar now.
406   Elgatouno   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 23, 4:43am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Rocketmanjoe says
Diversity is what shaped this country


Weren't you just saying that the melting pot is what shaped this country?


Yes, It wouldn't be a melting pot without diversity, now would it?

Division divides us. Not diversity. Maybe it's time to question your sources?
407   Elgatouno   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 23, 5:34am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Diversity weakens a country


@patrick Do you ever go out to eat? Do you only go to American restaurants? Me and my wife we go out to eat, we eat at Korean, Chinese, Italian, Mexican ... We have many diverse types of food to choose from. Wouldn't it suck if we didn't have a diverse selection of restaurants to choose from?

So why does our diversity of restaurants make this country weak?

Next, shoes. Wouldn't it suck if the only shoes we could buy are NIKE? Luckily we are able to choose from a diverse selection of brands.

Wouldn't it suck if you only had one stain of weed to choose from? But, no you don't, you have a diverse selection to choose from and that is what makes America great.

Diversity makes America great.

Politics have divided us. Keeping us from uniting as Americans. If people would just be honest and not just side with their team, speak up when they agree with someone not on their team, this would go along way to unite us. I'm pretty sure I've seen some do this here but few and far between. I agree that politics is what is dividing us but don't agree it is diversity.

We can unite as Americans without forgetting our many diverse roots. Those diverse roots should never be erased or forgotten and also shouldn't divided us as Americans.
408   Elgatouno   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 23, 7:06am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Aphroman says
dr6B says
Patrick says
knock down wages for the poorest Americans

That is probably a sufficient argument for stopping illegal immigration.

I am sure that The Masters of Universe (TM) who own construction industries are all for higher profit margins due to employment of illegals.


Only if you pretend that business would pay higher wages to Americans


First off, doesn't Trump own construction companies?

More over don't the H2B unskilled foreign workers that Trump hired at Mar a Lago take jobs away from Americans and knock down their wages?

https://www.epi.org/publication/h2b-temporary-foreign-worker-program-for-labor-shortages-or-cheap-temporary-labor/

Trump just wants cheap temporary labor. Just because it's legal doesn't mean he should use H2B visa holders as his preferred method of employment for unskilled labor. Here is a perfect example of this... Just because abortion is legal doesn't mean it should be used as the preferred method of birth control.
409   Elgatouno   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 23, 7:23am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Lol, yes, I'm "literally Hitler" now because I would like to see more unity as Americans.


Who said you were Hitler?

Rocketmanjoe says
That's not how it worked out for Hitler, you remember him? He really was against diversity. So you think Hitler was on to something? That's what it's sounding like to me.


The master race blonde hair and blue eyes that is about as non diverse as they come. Captain brought up another good example. Communism does not celebrate diversity.

So I ask you @patrick what diversity is it that you speak of that is tearing American apart?

Diversity is the spice of life it IS what makes this country great.
410   FortWayne   ignore (4)   2018 Sep 23, 8:30am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Variety of restaurants isn’t our strength.

Other countries have that too, yet still shitholes.

Diversity exists in shithole nations just the same. There is no benefit. It’s just neutral for most part. And destructive when it gets out of hand.



Rocketmanjoe says
Patrick says
Diversity weakens a country


@patrick Do you ever go out to eat? Do you only go to American restaurants? Me and my wife we go out to eat, we eat at Korean, Chinese, Italian, Mexican ... We have many diverse types of food to choose from. Wouldn't it suck if we didn't have a diverse selection of restaurants to choose from?

So why does our diversity of restaurants make this country weak?

Next, shoes. Wouldn't it suck if the only shoes we could buy are NIKE? Luckily we are able to choose from a diverse selection of brands.

Wouldn't it suck if you only had one stain of weed to choose from? But, no you don't, you have a diverse selection to choose from and that is what makes America great.

Diversity makes America great.

Politics have divided us. Keeping us from uniting as Americans. If people would just be honest and not just side with their te...
411   mell   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 23, 9:34am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Aphroman says
Only if you pretend that business would pay higher wages to Americans if only we eliminated illegals.


lol they do. You must have missed the countless news about companies paying farmers, bakery employees and construction workers more now that they can't find illegals ready to hire. This was a huge Trump success.
412   mell   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 23, 9:40am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayne says
Variety of restaurants isn’t our strength.

Other countries have that too, yet still shitholes.

Diversity exists in shithole nations just the same. There is no benefit. It’s just neutral for most part. And destructive when it gets out of hand.



Rocketmanjoe says
Patrick says
Diversity weakens a country


@patrick Do you ever go out to eat? Do you only go to American restaurants? Me and my wife we go out to eat, we eat at Korean, Chinese, Italian, Mexican ... We have many diverse types of food to choose from. Wouldn't it suck if we didn't have a diverse selection of restaurants to choose from?

So why does our diversity of restaurants make this country weak?

Next, shoes. Wouldn't it suck if the only shoes we could buy are NIKE? Luckily we are able to choose from a diverse selec...


Correct. Iceland doesn't have a large variety of ethnic food yet it's one of the safest countries due to very little ethnic diversity but relatively high intellect and education.
413   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Sep 23, 10:53am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rocketmanjoe says
@patrick Do you ever go out to eat? Do you only go to American restaurants? Me and my wife we go out to eat, we eat at Korean, Chinese, Italian, Mexican ...


Noone but the progressives, "You are appropriating other cultures' food", have a problem w exotic foods.
414   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 23, 12:36pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rocketmanjoe says
patrick what diversity is it that you speak of that is tearing American apart?


@Rocketmanjoe Please read the article:

http://archive.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2007/08/05/the_downside_of_diversity/
415   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Sep 23, 3:00pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Aphroman says
Only if you pretend that business would pay higher wages to Americans if only we eliminated illegals.

As if the unemployed Americans would do those jobs, and as if business is ready to pay them more simply for being Americans.


"According to a former consultant to the bakery, MSI paid the black workers $14 an hour, versus the $10 an hour the Mexican workers were making through Labor Network."

https://chicago.suntimes.com/business/at-major-northwest-side-bakery-labor-issues-pit-blacks-vs-hispanics/

Ohhh idk is a 40% wage increase substantial? The factory is happy to employe $10 illegals. Crackdowns and a wall would result in enormous support for trump amongst all working class Americans. Blacks and latino american citizens will continue to get behind trump in huge numbers
416   jazz_music   ignore (6)   2018 Sep 23, 3:39pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Aphroman says
Little Debbie Snack Cakes is in the business of poisoning Americans

Be fair, so is Jack Daniels ;-)
417   Elgatouno   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 24, 8:17am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
Ohhh idk is a 40% wage increase substantial? The factory is happy to employe $10 illegals. Crackdowns and a wall would result in enormous support for trump amongst all working class Americans.


If Trump really cared about the working class he wouldn't hiring foreign workers, he'd give those jobs to Americans. He wouldn't be raising tax's on the working class with tariffs. Face it Trump doesn't care about working class Americans.
418   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 24, 8:23am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Yep-Trump's "tax cut" was about as big of a middle finger to the working class as I've ever seen.
419   WookieMan   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 24, 8:57am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rocketmanjoe says
Politics have divided us. Keeping us from uniting as Americans. If people would just be honest and not just side with their team, speak up when they agree with someone not on their team, this would go along way to unite us. I'm pretty sure I've seen some do this here but few and far between. I agree that politics is what is dividing us but don't agree it is diversity.


I generally agree with what you're saying here and get your point of view, but did you go to college? That's not meant as an insult, serious question. And where? (Don't have to give exact school, maybe conference if it was a bigger school as my goal is to not dox anyone)

I went to UIC (University of IL Chicago). They were sooooooo proud of their diversity. You know what the campus looked like? The blacks had their group and would all hang. The whites would all hang out with the other whites. Asians with Asians, etc. Humans self segregate, for good or bad. It's just what we do. And in Chicago, many of these people have their own cultural "way of life" and they segregate themselves into their own large neighborhood or "micro" neighborhoods because that's what they WANT.

Diversity is forced and doesn't actually exist, which I think is what Patrick is somewhat getting at (tell me if I'm wrong). It's a social construct that is being forced on people to shame them for not hanging out with the black guy or the asian dude or the lesbian. My motto is hang out with who you want and everyone else that has a problem with that can go fuck themselves. Don't hate others, which there's no reason to, and we can all have a good time. Don't tell me though that I'm bad for not having a black or asian friend though, because that is what diversity has become. It's not about melting anything anymore.
420   jazz_music   ignore (6)   2018 Sep 24, 10:01am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
Yep-Trump's "tax cut" was about as big of a middle finger to the working class as I've ever seen.

Net Neutrality counts big as a "middle finger to the working class"

WTF the whole Heritage Foundation package was anti-American as hell. That's how we got the healthcare we got, it was that or nothing. Nothing doesn't work because too many people were dying. How do the Republicans get to do these things to us and never get thrown in jail for it.

We need to get one of us into our government to subvert the program away from the wealthy takers.
421   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 22, 6:25pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Suggestion: GIlding posts with a donation to Patnet.
422   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Oct 22, 7:18pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Thanks, would not be hard.

What would gilding do exactly? Make the post more prominent? Gold border?
423   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Oct 22, 7:34pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Thanks, would not be hard.

What would gilding do exactly? Make the post more prominent? Gold border?


I'd have it stick to the top of the page as one scrolls through, so that everyone must read the gilded post as context for any thread. Want a new gilded post? Just outbid the last guy
424   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Oct 22, 7:35pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

And do it in pat.coins , new crypto
425   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Oct 22, 8:23pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Dunno, seems like a violation of editorial integrity. I don't want to stoop anywhere near as low as, say, NPR or CNN, both of which are simply whores at this point.

I don't have much, but I still have my hymen, so to speak.
426   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 22, 8:28pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
I'd have it stick to the top of the page as one scrolls through, so that everyone must read the gilded post as context for any thread. Want a new gilded post? Just outbid the last guy


Something like this, but I was thinking more of a link to all the gold plated posts at the top of the page, maybe only the last one or two displaying.

Also, you could set a requirement that it have 3:1 Likes and a minimum of 10 likes to qualify, so it's not pure $$$.
427   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Oct 22, 8:32pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I appreciate the ideas for monetization.

But why should anyone's post be granted a higher status just because they paid? Don't you want quality above all else?
428   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 22, 9:22pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
But why should anyone's post be granted a higher status just because they paid? Don't you want quality above all else?



Definitely, so I suggest some kind of minimum upvotes, and/or a high upvote/downvote ratio.

We can gild the top rated posts?

Anything I can do to help with monetization, I'm willing to help out.
429   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Oct 22, 9:26pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Does gilding work that way on Reddit?

Or what about letting users tip other users, so good writers can get paid a bit? (With a modest 10% commission on that tip going to the site.) I could keep score on the site, and pay out when a balance gets above $20 or so. Would I have to issue a 1099 MISC then?
430   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Oct 22, 11:32pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

If we're just brainstorming than I'd like to see a steam-it type concept wherein likes, quotes, upvotes, shares, etc... all count towards point totals per user, but maybe this just works on huge sites like quora.

Gamification and in-community currencies, it worked for world of warcraft. Just spitballin
431   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Oct 23, 7:21am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I am grateful for the suggestions.
432   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Oct 28, 1:48pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Patrick.net is an uncensored anonymous forum.


How much longer do we play the "flag" game?
433   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 28, 1:56pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Or what about letting users tip other users, so good writers can get paid a bit? (With a modest 10% commission on that tip going to the site.) I could keep score on the site, and pay out when a balance gets above $20 or so. Would I have to issue a 1099 MISC then?


I wonder if we could make some post/area as a resource for various issues.

I've got several ideas for an Index of things, like tracking domestic terror attacks by cause or such like.

Then slap some ads on it or allow a tip jar, and you should make a big commission for hosting, 20%.
434   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Oct 28, 4:37pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tell me more about what you were thinking.

Several times I have linked a certain class of post to a sub-database. Once for housing, once for a list of all SF tech companies, and I think a few others.

So you're saying that the sub-database would be maintained by one user, and updates would all be posted to a specific thread, right?
435   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 28, 4:42pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Tell me more about what you were thinking.

Several times I have linked a certain class of post to a sub-database. Once for housing, once for a list of all SF tech companies, and I think a few others.

So you're saying that the sub-database would be maintained by one user, and updates would all be posted to a specific thread, right?


Something like that.

Because Curious2 is good at listing Islamic attacks in the "Islam" thread, there was one (Goran? TPB? You?) on Leftwing attacks, and I had a Hillary thread (and others) that correlate all the stories/incidences about a certain topic. Fake Hate Crimes, that kind of thing.

I remember documenting Terror Attacks by Cause also, but I can no longer find the thread.

Think of this as something like an "Anti-Snopes", but it could also contain Reasons why Buying is a Bad Idea and other list/indexes of events/ideas.

Only the author(s) could comment in the main thread but tips or gripes could be kept in other posts underneath the main thread.

This way the original post could be updated with new information as it comes in. Then we could share with The_Donald, Twitter, and other places to drive traffic.
436   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Oct 28, 4:46pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Only the author(s) could comment in the main thread but tips or gripes could be kept in other posts underneath the main thread.


So maybe the original post (which is what I think you mean by main thread) could itself have a little database that only the thread author could insert into, but everyone could search and read.

And tips or gripes would be comments as usual, below the original post.

Sound about right?
437   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 28, 5:54pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

That's exactly right.

Without having endless stickies at the top of the forum which suck, kind of a "Reference Thread" with a link at the top on the right side of Active/Comments/New/etc.

And you should monetize it, both because I'd pay for a few threads, and then you can charge for ads or ask for donations also..
438   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Oct 28, 6:13pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

OK, it's plan.
439   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Oct 30, 8:03pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

@TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce I need to pin down exactly how this new feature would look and work.

Are you thinking of essentially an embedded spreadsheet in a post?
440   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 30, 8:51pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

It could be. I was originally thinking more of a plain regular post

BUT

An embedded spreadsheet would be easier to keep updated and users could sort it by Place, Cause/Motive, etc. rather than just Date.
441   HappyGilmore   ignore (1)   2018 Nov 1, 5:13pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

@Patrick @twoscoopsofspaceforce

OK. Goran has become a large enough troll that it's no longer fun to come here. So I guess he wins.

If this is what you want the site to be, have at it.

Take a look at the blue wave thread and tell me I'm wrong. Iwog was right all along that having him as a moderator will kill the site. I stayed much longer than I should have...
442   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2018 Nov 1, 5:19pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

You’re always welcome back. Calling someone a troll is going to always result in a flag though. Now or later.
443   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Nov 1, 7:13pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anti_forum
444   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Nov 1, 7:35pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Now that I see Mr. Magic's post was made her where it belongs, I think it should be approved, actually.

HappyGilmore, I don't know why you're @ing me. I only get the odd posts at odd hours. If it isn't blatantly insulting, I usually let it pass and only insist that posts complaining about pat.net get made here.

The fact is when Trump won many posters became toilet mouths full of invective. It used to be pretty much confined between Captain Shuddup and Dan and Iwog, but then it spread all over. That's why the change had to be made.
445   CovfefeButDeadly   ignore (5)   2018 Nov 1, 7:51pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HappyGilmore says
@Patrick @twoscoopsofspaceforce

OK. Goran has become a large enough troll that it's no longer fun to come here. So I guess he wins.

If this is what you want the site to be, have at it.

Take a look at the blue wave thread and tell me I'm wrong. Iwog was right all along that having him as a moderator will kill the site. I stayed much longer than I should have...


Which of your accounts will be leaving the site?
446   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2018 Nov 1, 7:57pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CovfefeButDeadly says
HappyGilmore says
@Patrick @twoscoopsofspaceforce

OK. Goran has become a large enough troll that it's no longer fun to come here. So I guess he wins.

If this is what you want the site to be, have at it.

Take a look at the blue wave thread and tell me I'm wrong. Iwog was right all along that having him as a moderator will kill the site. I stayed much longer than I should have...


Which of your accounts will be leaving the site?


I’m glad someone said it. HappyGilmore is 99% someone’s sock account. I would bet $1,000 cash on it.
447   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Nov 1, 8:27pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Now that I see Mr. Magic's post was made her where it belongs, I think it should be approved, actually.


I'd like to know why it wasn't approved too, it was posted under "Discuss Anything" since...

Patrick says
Patrick.net is an uncensored anonymous forum.


I posted a 100% true comment, if they aren't allowed to stay, what's left to discuss?
449   www365   ignore (0)   2018 Nov 26, 2:44pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

is a housing crash coming?
don't understand why people still buy houses at such insane price.
450   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Nov 26, 6:04pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

@www365 My own opinion is that Bay Area prices will decline for the next few years at least, but slowly.

One factor is that the new tax law limits the deductibility of interest for the rich. Also, I expect interest rates to rise.
451   jazz_music   ignore (6)   2018 Nov 28, 6:34pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The honey badger
452   HEYYOU   ignore (25)   2019 Jan 22, 1:33am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

"Patrick.net is an uncensored anonymous forum."
No more moderators or ignorers?
453   Elgatouno   ignore (2)   2019 Jan 27, 1:33pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Well it appears we can not discuss everything.

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