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187   jazz_music   ignore (6)   2018 Mar 6, 12:52pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

errc says
libertarians.

Libertarians are just silly. Not different very much DIFFERENT from anarchists.

Meanwhile no people in history have ever failed to establish a government. A REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT.

Capitalism will never tolerate a representative government; its inefficient as a vehicle for greater profits. They got us all talking nonsense to avoid standing up for ourselves, and the constant NEEDLESS threat of disastrous poverty, and sending our kids off to fight constant wars, where Capitalism is always the big winner.

This is all social control. Keep you from interfering with return on investments. Guess what? --you must interfere with return on investments or they will keep oppressing you until you all live shorter and shorter lives of hard labor, mental stress, and scarcity. YES! THE MEEK SHALL INHERIT NOTHING!

There is no shame or scandal in working people seeing some real benefit from the taxes they pay. This is not leftism. This is not fucking communism. Don't be such a useful little moron.

Look at the fairytales they flood the air with to get us into EVERY FUCKING WAR WE EVER GOT INTO.

DAMMIT!!!!
188   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Mar 6, 12:54pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

mell says
jazz_music says
errc says
solving the opiate crisis

There is some really heady profit-gouging stink about this crisis. Other countries don't have this problem at all. EVEN COUNTRIES WHERE THESE DRUGS ARE SOLD OVER THE COUNTER!!!

The solution is always to arrest a lot of people and force them to support corrections counselors and racketeer doctors.

Really the cause of all our social cancer is our own murderous greed for stock market gains because none of us can look forward to any defined pension any more and at the same time social security is getting fucked up the ass, mostly by Republicans.

What else can you do? --buy guns, drive humvees, grow yams ... you see how this shit plays out?


There is no solution to the opioid crisis, Either you let people be free - which includes free to wreck t...


Wow, just fucking wow. Unbelievable
189   mell   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 6, 12:57pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
Capitalism will never tolerate a representative government; its inefficient as a vehicle for greater profits.


Maybe partially true, but it works better than all other forms on this planet. Otherwise people wouldn't be crossing the border to live under this bad system.
190   jazz_music   ignore (6)   2018 Mar 6, 1:04pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

mell says
Otherwise people wouldn't be crossing the border to live under this bad system.

That's a damn weak argument and I'm not willing to sit by as we slowly but surely get transformed from the best place on the planet (through the 1960s) to the worst place on the planet for the sake of return on investments, this is the road to hell on earth.

And the only way hell on earth becomes a sure thing is if we are all too scared to do shit about it because we feel the need never to interfere with FUCKING return on investments!

Fortunately, most millennials aren't buying any of the bullshit, God bless their hearts.
191   jazz_music   ignore (6)   2018 Mar 6, 1:06pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Land of the brave and the free

So shut up and get to work, there are no other options available, you daddy should have been richer.

LOL

I can only stand to think about this shit for a limited time per day.
192   RafiMaas   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 6, 1:07pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

mell says
The FF were Christians, I doubt they would have voted for recreational drug use, even though they were big on personal liberty. It's about the context.


I can guarantee they wouldn't have voted for recreational drug use. Because they didn't have to, it was already legal. They believed in freedom, they grew marijuana and some probably even used it.
193   jazz_music   ignore (6)   2018 Mar 6, 1:09pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Hooboy free to have corporations be people, free to use unlimited anonymous money to get accomodating servants into political office.

What does that do? You tell me.

Does that neutralize representative government or not?

Why is that necessary? Why would a free people tolerate their interests being silenced?
194   jazz_music   ignore (6)   2018 Mar 6, 1:15pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

RafiMaas says
they grew marijuana and some probably even used it.

Indigenous people for religious reasons and for holistic medicinal reasons.

They did not have the benefit of pills that were created for the purpose of converting the medicine into something that can be copyrighted and made scarce and priced dearly.

They also didn't have an enforcement cartel to keep supporting, a pain pill industry making people that have pain into slaves, and tobacco and alcohol industries also killing people while gaining massive wealth AND THE POWER TO PREVENT DEMOCRACY.
195   jazz_music   ignore (6)   2018 Mar 6, 1:23pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

mell says
The FF were Christians

Quakers, Lutherans, Calvinists. They hated both Catholics, jews, and they had witch hunts and burnings too. They hung effigies of the pope and persecuted others.

So why do we get this pretty fairytale about people came to America to enjoy religious freedom?

Is anybody here willing to go to some far away remote location with no buildings at all inhabited only by 'savages' and wild animals SO YOU CAN GO TO YOUR CHURCH???

REALLY? DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL???

WHY DO WE BELIEVE THAT???? Or ... do you reeeeeally believe in that? or do you just say "fuck it, I'm not going to rock the fucking boat, the bastards will turn on me"

Not so brave and free are you?
196   mell   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 6, 1:39pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

RafiMaas says
mell says
The FF were Christians, I doubt they would have voted for recreational drug use, even though they were big on personal liberty. It's about the context.


I can guarantee they wouldn't have voted for recreational drug use. Because they didn't have to, it was already legal. They believed in freedom, they grew marijuana and some probably even used it.


https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/busting-some-myths-about-the-founding-fathers-and-marijuana/

Either way I wouldn't jump to conclusions here. In context many things back then were forbidden or problematic at least, that are viewed as ok today.
197   mell   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 6, 1:41pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
Fortunately, most millennials aren't buying any of the bullshit, God bless their hearts.


Gen Z is fairly conservative. What both may not buy is globalism.
198   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Mar 6, 1:42pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

RafiMaas says
mell says
The FF were Christians, I doubt they would have voted for recreational drug use, even though they were big on personal liberty. It's about the context.


I can guarantee they wouldn't have voted for recreational drug use. Because they didn't have to, it was already legal. They believed in freedom, they grew marijuana and some probably even used it.


Thank you

It’s refreshing to see America isn’t dead yet
199   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Mar 6, 1:45pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

mell says
jazz_music says
Fortunately, most millennials aren't buying any of the bullshit, God bless their hearts.


Gen Z is fairly conservative. What both may not buy is globalism.


I keep seeing a certain group of people saying this without offering any proof

Kids today are mostly both Secular and Liberal

What tenants of Conservatism do you claim todays youth espouse?
200   someone else   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 6, 1:46pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
tobacco and alcohol industries also killing people while gaining massive wealth AND THE POWER TO PREVENT DEMOCRACY.


That's not a problem unique to one side or the other. Democrats are more heavily funded by the rich, and they want something for their donations: laws favorable to their businesses.

The real problem is the lack of a labor party in the US. The Democrats used to approximate a labor party, but have abandoned that job so as not to offend Wall Street Bankers and other extremely wealthy Democratic donors. And it turns out that the Democratic strategy dividing labor by race, gender, etc, is very good for preventing the unity necessary to actually form a labor party.
201   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Mar 6, 1:50pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

That's not a problem unique to one side or the other

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How long will America survive with people constantly critical of all things liberal, while excusing Republican bad actors by saying yea but dems do it too, regardless of if its even true?
202   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Mar 6, 1:54pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

errc says
How long will America survive with people constantly critical of all things liberal, while excusing Republican bad actors by saying yea but dems do it too, regardless of if its even true?



Maybe try reforming the Democratic Party.

Start by replacing Pelosi and Corey Booker in their next primaries.
203   jazz_music   ignore (6)   2018 Mar 6, 1:56pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

rando says
The real problem is the lack of a labor party in the US. The Democrats used to approximate a labor party,

Agree. Our reality is that on one hand you have Democrats who make promises and betray you to get wealthy and special status for themselves and family.

On the other hand we have Republicans who PROMISE you betrayal as something that you must have in order to be truly free and prosperous.

One is simply more insulting than the other, and the more insulting one creates vast gains for more plutocrats, we become fair game for everything. The possibilities are wide open.

Truly it would be best to have real representation WITHOUT THE BETRAYAL be it either the broken promises type or the delusions of grandeur type.

To get anything at all, we are going to have to mobilize and have some negative effect on return on investments, be it either by boycotting, or finding an alternate way of life or etc., etc., etc.

Grim picture, I know, because we are all eating the poison apple to varying extents. No accident there. Reagan's masters sure knew what they were doing to us.

As usual, the young ones are our main hope, you know, the ones who are not deep into debt and worried about retiring yet.
204   jazz_music   ignore (6)   2018 Mar 6, 1:57pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

rando says
Democrats are more heavily funded by the rich

Could that be because they perceive a danger there if Democrats are left unchecked?
205   mell   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 6, 1:58pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

errc says
RafiMaas says
mell says
The FF were Christians, I doubt they would have voted for recreational drug use, even though they were big on personal liberty. It's about the context.


I can guarantee they wouldn't have voted for recreational drug use. Because they didn't have to, it was already legal. They believed in freedom, they grew marijuana and some probably even used it.


Thank you

It’s refreshing to see America isn’t dead yet


Except for that it's a myth, see the link above. Just because you and I want them to be as freedom loving and possible doesn't mean they were. What I was trying to illustrate is that they may have been closer to today's repubs/libertarians, without judgement.
206   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Mar 6, 2:00pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

mell says
RafiMaas says
mell says
The FF were Christians, I doubt they would have voted for recreational drug use, even though they were big on personal liberty. It's about the context.


I can guarantee they wouldn't have voted for recreational drug use. Because they didn't have to, it was already legal. They believed in freedom, they grew marijuana and some probably even used it.


https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/busting-some-myths-about-the-founding-fathers-and-marijuana/

Either way I wouldn't jump to conclusions here. In context many things back then were forbidden or problematic at least, that are viewed as ok today.


I read your silly link, but contrary to the title, they didn’t bust any myths wrt the FF and Hemp/Cannabis. So then why did you post it?

Jump to conclusions about what?
Care to elaborate on what you meant with the rest of your words? Intentionally vague, they hold no meaning. Explain please
207   mell   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 6, 3:06pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

errc says
mell says
RafiMaas says
mell says
The FF were Christians, I doubt they would have voted for recreational drug use, even though they were big on personal liberty. It's about the context.


I can guarantee they wouldn't have voted for recreational drug use. Because they didn't have to, it was already legal. They believed in freedom, they grew marijuana and some probably even used it.


https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/busting-some-myths-about-the-founding-fathers-and-marijuana/

Either way I wouldn't jump to conclusions here. In context many things back then were forbidden or problematic at least, that are viewed as ok tod...


It clearly refutes Rafis post that they were "using" MJ as in smoking it and that they would have voted for it. It was used for rope and they did not cultivate the high THC kind. I think you are focusing solely on MJ because it is the most important thing for you, but many are willing to trade in Republican shortcomings wrt MJ as long as they don't have to endure the leftist reign in other more important topics. Otherwise Hillary should have win with 90$% of the vote as most, left and right, these days do not care if you toke a little at your home.
208   jazz_music   ignore (6)   2018 Mar 6, 3:58pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
Start by replacing Pelosi and Corey Booker

Wouldn't that just force Rush Limbaugh and his ilk to come up with new lies and accusations?

Is there ever going to be a DNC member that the right wing media would NOT criticize, demonize, humiliate, and rail against???

Come on now. Warren got into the limelight and then comes the Pocahontas cracks etc., etc., etc., but if only the democrats tried just a little bit harder to please you, eh?

You know damn well that anybody who gets into the public eye and is not far right wing is going to be a never-ending subject of ridicule and demonization.
209   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Mar 6, 4:01pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
Is there ever going to be a DNC member that the right wing media would NOT criticize, demonize, humiliate, and rail against???


So Rush is an excuse to tolerate putting up with Neoliberals in your party, because he might make fun of their replacements on the radio?
210   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Mar 6, 4:02pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
You know damn well that anybody who gets into the public eye and is not far right wing is going to be a never-ending subject of ridicule and demonization.


Yeah, Trump is just worshipped daily on Comedy Central, SNL, the View, Jimmy Kimmel, Rachel Maddow, Anderson180, etc.

hahahahahaha
211   missing   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 6, 4:04pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

mell says
Maybe partially true, but it works better than all other forms on this planet. Otherwise people wouldn't be crossing the border to live under this bad system.


This is such a poor logic. Embarrassing!
212   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 6, 4:05pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Why is that poor logic?
213   missing   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 6, 4:11pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Are you seriously asking me this?
214   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Mar 6, 4:13pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Why is that poor logic?


Capitalism will never tolerate a representative government; its inefficient as a vehicle for greater profits.


Maybe partially true, but it works better than all other forms on this planet. Otherwise people wouldn't be crossing the border to live under this bad system.

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Absent any logic
215   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 6, 4:13pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Seems like solid logic to me. If this were a worse system than, say, in Mexico, why have 20 million Mexicans come here illegally?
216   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Mar 6, 4:15pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

People aren't flooding boats to get to Cuba, North Korea, or Bangladesh.
217   missing   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 6, 4:21pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Mexico also has capitalism.

I come from a capitalistic system, slightly different that the US version. I think as a whole, for the majority of the people, it is a better version. However, for me personally the US is better because it is a winner take all system. I can also always go back and maybe will.
218   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 6, 4:35pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FP says
Mexico also has capitalism.


Clearly they're not doing it right. Maybe we aren't either, but we are definitely getting better results than Mexico does.
219   cynn   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 6, 4:48pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The Kochs just haven't figured out "cartels" yet.
220   missing   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 8, 1:46pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Clearly they're not doing it right. Maybe we aren't either, but we are definitely getting better results than Mexico does.


This is beyond the point.
221   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Mar 8, 2:08pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Clearly they're not doing it right. Maybe we aren't either, but we are definitely getting better results than Mexico does.


Mexico spent most of the 19th Century in "Free Trade", shipping out raw materials while importing finished products.

Thus, they industrialized much more slowly and unevenly than tariff-protected America in the 19th Century under Hamilton's All-American Tariff.

It's much the same all over Central and South America. BIg Landed Wealth doesn't care about mass employment, they just want to trade the cotton and the aloe and the copper for a BMW, and make sure the landless workers don't get uppity when it comes to wages.

Defeating Big Confederate Landlords - who were as opposed to the Homestead Act as Tarriffs - they envisioned the midwest full of slaves on huge wheat farms - was a big leg up for American Prosperity.
222   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Mar 23, 9:16am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Hi @Patrick - there's a T2 guy in the mod queue asking to be deleted, both comment and account.
223   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Mar 23, 9:24am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
Hi @Patrick - there's a T2 guy in the mod queue asking to be deleted, both comment and account.


I believe that's a brand new account of user: FP
224   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 23, 9:48am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Deleted it. There was only one comment anyway.
225   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Apr 12, 7:58am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Deleted two clear personal attacks from two users this AM. One about going to somebody having to go to GNC, the other about mental issues of a user.
226   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Apr 26, 1:35pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

There's a pretty clear personal insult in my mod queue, but the delete button is gone.

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