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378   jazz_music   ignore (6)   2018 Sep 21, 2:37pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

You are getting wealthy by gambling.

Good for you.

Gamblers either bore everybody when they win or they disappear when they lose.
379   Rocketmanjoe   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 21, 5:17pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rocketmanjoe says
Goran_K says
Rocketmanjoe says
I didn't know Bush was a Muslim.


He wasn't.

This guy was.

how much did he increase your wealth? I'm guessing much more than Bush.

Or will you not give credit where credit is due?


Do you have a problem with giving Obama credit for how much he increased your wealth? I know you like to post how much is in your one account so why not be honest and post your statement from January 2008 and January 2016 so we can see how much OBAMA increased your wealth?
380   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 21, 5:26pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Democrats are very generous to illegals:

Karthick Ramakrishnan, a public policy professor at UC Riverside, calls what's emerging "the California package": an array of policies that touch on nearly every aspect of immigrant life, from healthcare to higher education to protection from federal immigration enforcement.

Other states have adopted components of the package; Connecticut, for example, offers in-state tuition and driver's licenses, and passed legislation known as the Trust Act to help limit deportations before California did.

But Ramakrishnan said California is unique in how comprehensive its offerings are.

Most of these laws were passed after 2000, and became especially plentiful after 2012, when President Obama took executive action that shielded from deportation people who were brought to the country illegally.

California was one of the first states to authorize driver's licenses for those affected by Obama's order; two years later, Gov. Jerry Brown signed a law enabling all immigrants in the U.S. illegally to seek licenses. The same year, the state expanded in-state tuition for more students in the country illegally and allowed people without legal status to obtain law and other professional licenses.


http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-california-immigrant-rights-20150811-story.html
381   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 21, 5:37pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Answer: because CEOs are well connected and donate to the right people. It's systemic corruption.

So I agree that we absolutely need to make CEOs responsible for ensuring that all of their workforce is in the country legally, even though US citizens cost more to employ.
382   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 21, 5:40pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
Mostly his staff has made all the real accomplishments.


Woah, careful, getting close to admitting Trump has accomplishments!

His staff was hired by him to do those thing under his direction.
383   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 21, 5:44pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
Sanctuary cities is about treating people humanely.


@LeonDurham Sanctuary cities are about undercutting wages for the poorest US citizens.

Even if you disagree about why some cities are inviting in illegals, the effect is the same: immense harm and deeper poverty for the poorest US citizen. What about treating them humanely instead?
384   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 21, 6:09pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
It's funny that the only people I hear worried about Tranny bathrooms are always Republicans


Gee, Obama seemed quite worried about tranny bathrooms, and I'm pretty sure he's a Democrat:

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/13/us/politics/obama-administration-to-issue-decree-on-transgender-access-to-school-restrooms.html

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration is planning to issue a sweeping directive telling every public school district in the country to allow transgender students to use the bathrooms that match their gender identity.

A letter to school districts will go out Friday, adding to a highly charged debate over transgender rights in the middle of the administration’s legal fight with North Carolina over the issue. The declaration — signed by Justice and Education department officials — will describe what schools should do to ensure that none of their students are discriminated against.

It does not have the force of law, but it contains an implicit threat: Schools that do not abide by the Obama administration’s interpretation of the law could face lawsuits or a loss of federal aid.

The move is certain to draw fresh criticism, particularly from Republicans, that the federal government is wading into local matters and imposing its own values on communities across the country that may not agree. It represents the latest example of the Obama administration using a combination of policies, lawsuits and public statements to change the civil rights landscape for gays, lesbians, bisexual and transgender people.
385   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 21, 6:19pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
Appreciate my point that the politics of inequality have ransacked our nation and will continue until we FORCE it to stop.


@jazz_music My friend, we agree.

Sure, both parties are infested by servants of our owners, and they do what they can to make our owners richer at our expense, mostly by driving down wages via the export of jobs and import of illegals.

Trump is just about the only politician out there who is pointing these things out. I don't care about his personal flaws as long as he keeps up the pressure and the economy keeps rolling like it is.
386   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 21, 6:29pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Sanctuary cities are about undercutting wages for the poorest US citizens.

Even if you disagree about why some cities are inviting in illegals, the effect is the same: immense harm and deeper poverty for the poorest US citizen. What about treating them humanely instead?


I've yet to see anyone respond to the reality that illegal immigrants consume as well as produce so they really aren't that much of a drain, if at all.

Automation, on the other hand, produces without consuming and is therefore a much bigger cause of poverty than immigrants. Automation drives wealth to the top and starves the bottom. Government's job should be to counteract this natural tendency of capitalism.
387   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 21, 6:34pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
I've yet to see anyone respond to the reality that illegal immigrants consume as well as produce so they really aren't that much of a drain, if at all.


Uh, what do you think happens to the wages of the poor if their area gets flooded by illegals willing to work for less than the minimum wage?
388   barrister   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 21, 6:50pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
Rocketmanjoe says
The goal is to stop people from entering illegally.


And stop people from being employed illegally. Why no e-verify?


And why no criminal prosecutions of CEOs that hire illegals?


what about restaurant owners?

hotel chains?
389   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 21, 7:14pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says

Uh, what do you think happens to the wages of the poor if their area gets flooded by illegals willing to work for less than the minimum wage?


And what happens to the wages of people making the things that the illegals consume?
390   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 21, 7:14pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

barrister says
what about restaurant owners?

hotel chains?


Yep--prosecute them too.
391   HeadSet   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 21, 7:32pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

As a uniter and not a divider, I would like to point out a policy I think we can all agree on:

LeonDurham, barrister, Jazz_music, rocketmanjoe, Patrick, Goran_K, Aphroman - are we all for the rigid enforcement of E-Verify?
392   HeadSet   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 21, 7:38pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Automation drives wealth to the top and starves the bottom. Government's job should be to counteract this natural tendency of capitalism.

That is the definition of a Luddite. Beside, all sectors of US society are richer now than they ever were, and we are more automated now than we have ever been.
393   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 21, 7:44pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HeadSet says
That is the definition of a Luddite. Beside, all sectors of US society are richer now than they ever were, and we are more automated now than we have ever been.


No, it is not. It is a fact. The cost savings from automation accrue to the owners. This isn't a moral judgment, it's reality. And I'm not advocating that we stop progress, only that we need to acknowledge the side effects of it and develop policies to counteract those effects.

Real wages for the bottom 50% of Americans have been flat for 40 years while income for the top 1% has grown exponentially.
394   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 21, 8:47pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HeadSet says
LeonDurham, barrister, Jazz_music, rocketmanjoe, Patrick, Goran_K, Aphroman - are we all for the rigid enforcement of E-Verify?


Yes, absolutely.
395   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 21, 8:55pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
And what happens to the wages of people making the things that the illegals consume?


A large fraction of the wages of illegals goes not to consumption, but straight to Mexico as remittances.
396   HeadSet   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 21, 9:00pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Real wages for the bottom 50% of Americans have been flat for 40 years while income for the top 1% has grown exponentially.

And you do not think that allowing millions of unskilled illegal immigrants over that 40 years has anything to do with it? If it was all about "automation," then those illegals would not have found work. And if you really wanted to develop a policy to deal with this, then rigid E-Verify is an obvious choice.
397   Rocketmanjoe   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 21, 9:06pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
A large fraction


How large?
A larger amount is remitted by legal immigrants and H2B visa holders like the ones who work at Trump's Mar a Lago.
398   HeadSet   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 21, 9:12pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rocketmanjoe says
Patrick says
A large fraction


How large?
A larger amount is remitted by legal immigrants and H2B visa holders like the ones who work at Trump's Mar a Lago.


For the H2B and legal immigrants to be remitting more money to Mexico, there must be more of them than illegals. But don't illegals vastly outnumber the legal immigrants?
399   jazz_music   ignore (6)   2018 Sep 21, 10:03pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HeadSet says
are we all for the rigid enforcement of E-Verify?

I have to find out what it is
400   Rocketmanjoe   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 21, 10:06pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HeadSet says
For the H2B and legal immigrants to be remitting more money to Mexico, there must be more of them than illegals. But don't illegals vastly outnumber the legal immigrants?

More than 43.7 million immigrants resided in the United States
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/frequently-requested-statistics-immigrants-and-immigration-united-states#Numbers

https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/illegal-immigration-statistics/
There were 12.1 million immigrants living in the country illegally

Nope, by far more legal immigrants.
401   Rocketmanjoe   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 21, 10:43pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HeadSet says
legal immigrants to be remitting more money to Mexico


No but seriously, from 86 to 2016 some 6.2 million Mexicans immigrated to US and the total population was 11.6 million making for 5.4 million illegal immigrants.

It is know that not all illegal immigrants are from Mexico?
402   APHAman   ignore (8)   2018 Sep 22, 6:29am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

personal
403   APHAman   ignore (8)   2018 Sep 22, 6:33am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HeadSet says
Rocketmanjoe says
Patrick says
A large fraction


How large?
A larger amount is remitted by legal immigrants and H2B visa holders like the ones who work at Trump's Mar a Lago.


For the H2B and legal immigrants to be remitting more money to Mexico, there must be more of them than illegals. But don't illegals vastly outnumber the legal immigrants?


Thanks for being honest. I’ve always thought that the right wingers were operating in ignorance. Illegals vastly outnumber legals, lmao
404   Rocketmanjoe   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 22, 7:06am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Aphroman says
Thanks for being honest.


I know, right? So many comments posted with out evidence that are false. Why do people insist on being so dishonest. I guess that's what it takes to be a Trump supporter.
405   Rocketmanjoe   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 22, 7:27am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
You are not only unashamed to use that photo, you are going to fight to protect the lies behind it that Obama is a muslim.


An honest person knows Obama is not Muslim.
A dishonest person won't admit that they accumulated much wealth under the person in this photo
Goran_K says
406   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 22, 7:30am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says

A large fraction of the wages of illegals goes not to consumption, but straight to Mexico as remittances.


I imagine it's a similar fraction as what gets saved by US citizens. Bottom line--illegals consume and produce.

HeadSet says
And you do not think that allowing millions of unskilled illegal immigrants over that 40 years has anything to do with it? If it was all about "automation," then those illegals would not have found work. And if you really wanted to develop a policy to deal with this, then rigid E-Verify is an obvious choice.


Maybe a small part, but like I said-illegals consume as well as produce. Does having babies cause wages to go down?

And I'm fine with E-Verify. It's not perfect, but fine with me
407   jazz_music   ignore (6)   2018 Sep 22, 10:01am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

That photo is damning evidence that Fox News, O'Reilly in this case makes shit up and lies to its audience who are half asleep or on their way to/from work.

But you watch this trash so this is your reality.

Fox News took a beating after tweeting that photo appearing to show Obama “in Muslim garb.”

“Photo of Obama in Muslim garb shows deep ties to faith, O’Reilly says,” the news network tweeted on Thursday night, attaching a photo of Obama at his half-brother’s Maryland wedding in the 1990’s.
408   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 22, 10:35am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Illegals not only knock down wages for the poorest Americans, they also greatly increase the strain on police and emergency rooms without paying, and then drain billions by simply shipping it home.

http://www.cairco.org/issues/remittances

409   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 22, 10:41am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Illegals not only knock down wages for the poorest Americans, they also greatly increase the strain on police and emergency rooms without paying, and then drain billions by simply shipping it home.


Mostly not true-they pay the taxes that support police. They ship home what Americans save. Consumption is mostly the same.
410   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 22, 11:19am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rocketmanjoe says
Why do people insist on being so dishonest.


@Rocketmanjoe IMHO, all political argument is basically just rationalization for feelings.

That is, the surface arguments are mostly "dishonest" in the sense that they do not have much to do with the true motivating feelings. Supporting evidence will be eagerly used, while negating evidence will be quietly ignored. This is not a specifically Republican or Democratic mechanism, it's universal.

What people are really arguing about is hard to hear because it remains unspoken. And it cannot be spoken because it's embarrassing, and generally not a valid argument to begin with. Some examples:

* I am an X, and X's all believe Y. Therefore Y is true! (motivation by identity)
* I feel bad because others seem to be doing better than my group, therefore others are racist/sexist/other bad thing! (motivation by resentment)
* I really like my capital gains, so I must deserve them, and it's wrong to tax what I deserve. (motivation by fear of loss)

All these kinds of half-baked "reasoning" are really just self-interest, and so cannot be spoken truthfully. The bogus surface arguments will go on forever without ever getting to the right answer. The right answer is always this: My self is your self. I do not like your pain. We are brothers because we are both American/human/male/any other kind of group.

The only question is where to draw the line. Who is "we"? A small homogeneous "we" has very strong group identity and prospers, but is weak numerically and so is always afraid of the majority whom they have alienated. This is the Jewish strategy. A larger "we" has a weaker group identity, but more numerical strength.

For maximum harmony, stability, and prosperity, I say that "we" should be the country. Not the whole world, and not some sub-group of the country. Diversity weakens a country, which is why all colonial empires worked hard at stamping out or downplaying diversity, homogenizing the loyalty of their subjects through a single language, single religion, single king, single center of power. They recognized that the whole enterprise would fall apart without a strong group identity.
411   mell   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 22, 11:43am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Good answer/explanation.

#MAGA
412   Rocketmanjoe   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 22, 12:41pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Diversity weakens a country


Then why the term "melting pot" diversity is what made this country great. Don't let anyone tell you different
413   Rocketmanjoe   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 22, 12:45pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
They recognized that the whole enterprise would fall apart without a strong group identity.


And yet they still feel apart.
414   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 22, 12:46pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rocketmanjoe says
Then why the term "melting pot" diversity is what made this country great. Don't let anyone tell you different


Yes, the "melting pot" is exactly what made the country great!

Think about it: the melting pot melts down the previous identity and creates a new one. America took people from everywhere, and made them into Americans.

The "diversity" was recognized as the primary danger to our unity as a country, and so the diversity was deliberately erased by the melting pot.

Diversity = Death
415   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 22, 12:48pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rocketmanjoe says
Patrick says
They recognized that the whole enterprise would fall apart without a strong group identity.


And yet they still feel apart.


They succeeded only as long as "diversity" did not infect the empire.

As soon as the various subgroups asserted other identities, the center could not hold, and it fell apart.

But as long as the subgroups felt they were part of the whole, not separate groups, the empire prospered.
416   Rocketmanjoe   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 22, 12:52pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Illegals


Tell me, how much of that remittance is from illegals? You do realize it's not just illegals who remit? In fact legals remit far more than illegals because the get a far bigger pay check.
417   Rocketmanjoe   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 22, 1:03pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
They succeeded only as long as "diversity" did not infect the empire.


That's not how it worked out for Hitler, you remember him? He really was against diversity.
So you think Hitler was on to something? That's what it's sounding like to me.

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