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By Patrick following x   2015 Feb 9, 7:43am 153,471 views   86 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


There is one main rule. Violating it will get your comment deleted.

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41   Patrick   ignore (0)   2016 Aug 11, 8:48pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Ah yes. Also fixed as of now. Please check.

42   Patrick   ignore (0)   2016 Aug 12, 11:07am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

@Ironman you're right.

That is also fixed now.

Please tell me more bugs and suggestions.

43   Patrick   ignore (0)   2016 Aug 12, 2:06pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Ironman says

Hey wait, when did I become your technical guinea pig? :)

When you started volunteering. Thanks!

44   Patrick   ignore (0)   2016 Sep 29, 9:56am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

If you want to write a post totally anonymously, just enter it while logged out, and when it asks for an email address put in some crap email like this@that.com. The post will go into moderation and I'll get notified that it needs approval. There's a delay for approval, but then your post is anonymous.

45   BayArea   ignore (0)   2016 Sep 29, 10:09am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Patrick, just curious...

What server are you using for this site?

Your own private server, third party domestic server, third party international server, Hillary's private server?

46   Patrick   ignore (0)   2016 Sep 29, 10:40am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

It's a single virtual server on Digital Ocean. So essentially my own private server. I'm happy with them, much more pleasant to use than AWS:

https://www.digitalocean.com/

47   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2016 Sep 29, 2:28pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Patrick says

If you want to write a post totally anonymously, just enter it while logged out, and when it asks for an email address put in some crap email like this@that.com. The post will go into moderation and I'll get notified that it needs approval. There's a delay for approval, but then your post is anonymous.

Or just use an alt like every other troll. Do people really need more anonymity than an account not at all associated with your real identity anyway?

48   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2016 Sep 29, 2:29pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Patrick says

Ironman you're right.

Name something you never hear.

49   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2016 Sep 29, 4:14pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Ironman says

Dan8267 says

Name something you never hear.

CIC had sex with a human.

50   900d   ignore (0)   2017 Jan 6, 9:31am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Your site is being perused and critiqued by the dreg cohort of the finest e-biz board within the Web, (redacted link)

51   iwog   ignore (3)   2017 Jan 6, 9:40am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

WTF? Un-redact the link!

52   Patrick   ignore (0)   2017 Jan 6, 5:49pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

iwog says

WTF? Un-redact the link!

Why? It's pure spam to use a site only to post a link to promote a different site. Did he contribute any content, or does he only want to take without giving?

Logan, on the other hand, also uses the site to promote himself, but that's fine with me, because he actually takes some time and contributes thoughtful comments.

53   iwog   ignore (3)   2017 Jan 6, 5:53pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

Patrick says

Why? It's pure spam to use a site only to post a link to promote a different site. Did he contribute any content, or does he only want to take without giving?

Oh I didn't realize it was spam.

I thought another site was making you famous. I'm so naive.

54   Booger   ignore (0)   2017 Jan 6, 7:00pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Patrick says

In other words, patrick.net exists to protect offensive speech,

Fuck Yeah!

55   indigenous   ignore (0)   2017 Jan 15, 10:36am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

If I make a new post and it drifts down the list it disappears.

IOW the posts do not appear to be in chronological order?

56   HEY YOU   ignore (7)   2017 Jan 15, 10:42am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Ironman says

Example: HEY YOU comes back as HEY20YOU if you click on his user name.

I'm insulted! It should be HEY100%YOU!

57   Patrick   ignore (0)   2017 Jan 15, 11:11am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

indigenous says

If I make a new post and it drifts down the list it disappears.

IOW the posts do not appear to be in chronological order?

By default they are in chronological order of activity (creation or new comment), and you eventually have to go to the second page to see a post if no one has commented on it lately.

But there are tabs for sorting other ways: number of comments in last week, number of likes, newest post creation time.

59   justme   ignore (0)   2017 Jan 16, 11:02am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Has there been any discussion recently of of username histories? I do find it laborious and confusing with all the people that change their names. Another problem with changing usernames is that old posts are harder to understand since the user is now known by a different name.

Hmm, I wonder if I edit and put @patrick in after the fact, will he still get an email?

60   Patrick   ignore (0)   2017 Jan 16, 11:07am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Hi @justme yes, I got an email when you edited and put that in.

Should there be some limit on the ability to change usernames? It does get confusing when they get quoted under one name, but have since changed it so that the old quote and new comments appear under different names.

61   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2017 Jan 16, 11:28am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

This site was a lot better when all of CIC's post were redirected to his goat porn collection.

62   justme   ignore (0)   2017 Jan 16, 11:57am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Patrick says

Should there be some limit on the ability to change usernames?

I think one username ever per email address is a good idea. By the way, are you as admin able to retrace the changes of usernames? I history of usernames on the user "homepage" is work but would be very informative.

63   Patrick   ignore (0)   2017 Jan 16, 12:07pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

I cannot easily trace changes of username, because the previous name is overwritten in the database when a user changes it.

It would be possible to trace some name changes by looking at quotes of user comments, but it would be a lot of work, and still not reliable because the quotes could be edited at any time. I suppose I have backups and could look at the state of the database over time, but that would also be hard.

It would be easier to create a new table of names which shows changes over time from now on. Is it worth the work?

What does gmail do? Can you change your gmail address and retain the same account?

64   anon_d2f7c   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 2, 9:15pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

How about just banning users who get paid to post here with manufactured talking points from organizations such as ShareBlue?
65   WookieMan   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 2, 9:23pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

anon_d2f7c says
How about just banning users who get paid to post here with manufactured talking points from organizations such as ShareBlue?


I just looked up ShareBlue. I don't really care about left or right. I don't believe that was your point, but who knows. I do actually agree with the sentiment though. I know it probably happens a ton, but straight up copy pasting from an article without sourcing it is not cool. I wouldn't ban these people, but if you cannot come up with original comments or commentary on an article, just stop. At some point you'll see the puppet strings attached to your fingers as you're typing.
66   anon_4460e   ignore (2)   2018 Feb 2, 9:43pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

oh no just memes is all we need to "discuss" something
67   WookieMan   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 2, 9:46pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

anon_4460e says
oh no just memes is all we need to "discuss" something

This is annoying too, I'll agree with that. I can't lie, some of the non-political ones are rather funny from time to time. So if plagiarizing is a 10, then memes are like a 5/6 in my book of annoyance.
68   TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 13, 11:50am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (3)     quote      

Hi Pat,

There's a comment that includes an attack on the site as a whole. I don't see an option to "Disapprove" a post.
69   WookieMan   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 13, 3:05pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

TwoScoopsPlissken says
Hi Pat,

There's a comment that includes an attack on the site as a whole. I don't see an option to "Disapprove" a post.


What thread is it in? I'm check recent stuff now.
70   TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 13, 3:12pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

It's gone now from my mod queue.
71   errc   ignore (2)   2018 Feb 13, 4:31pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

TwoScoopsPlissken says
It's gone now from my mod queue.


So it’s official! We have another new mod

Congrats on the gig

MAGA!!
72   errc   ignore (2)   2018 Feb 13, 4:33pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

Praise kek!

Kek kek reeeeeeeee!

Pepe will bring Hilldog to justice

We just need a few million more man hours from the great MAGA folk to finally sleuth out the details
73   justme   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 13, 4:40pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

The State Assembly of West Virginia is also against free speech. In fact, they are so much against free speech that they forbid "personal comments" about other members of the assembly. Case in point, assemblywoman Lissa Lucas is forcible ejected from the speaker stand for reading a list of politician names, donor names and amounts of campaign contributions.



It is amazing to see that even a state assembly can have rules that censor the speech of its lawfully and duly elected members. Absolutely frightening. Should this not be a case taken to the Supreme Court?
74   anon_349ac   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 13, 8:22pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

justme says
The State Assembly of West Virginia is also against free speech. In fact, they are so much against free speech that they forbid "personal comments" about other members of the assembly. Case in point, assemblywoman Lissa Lucas is forcible ejected from the speaker stand for reading a list of politician names, donor names and amounts of campaign contributions.



It is amazing to see that even a state assembly can have rules that censor the speech of its lawfully and duly elected members. Absolutely frightening. Should this not be a case taken to the Supreme Court?


As someone who acted as parliamentarian at a contentious hearing I applaud the removal of these people.

In my case we had 125 WEEKS of public meetings during the planning process. We hade a core group of committed people- some lobbyists- some committed volunteers who poured their blood sweat & tears into this. We begged and pleaded with the public to join various committees to have their say on matters of substance. Yet NO ONE came!

Yet when it's time to vote- when the 17 people who probably spent 5,000 man hours drafting the best bill they could- about 600 people (not a single one of which could be bothered to participate) came to speak against it.

I gave them each 45 seconds to speak. Add in the transition time walking to and from the podium that's 10 FUCKING hours.

Many left so it took only 6 hours. Yet it was clear not more than a dozen of them had actually read the 85 page document and could speak intelligently about it.

So yeah it looks oh so awful when you see a YouTube clip of a mic being cut off. Yet as someone who was there on the battle lines as the 2.5 years of planning was voted upon, all I can say is FUCK THESE SPEAKERS who show up at the last minute to speak!
75   TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 13, 8:43pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

errc says
So it’s official! We have another new mod


Yeah, I didn't ask, but I have no problem doing it. Takes about a minute. If I see a personal attack, I don't approve.

I can probably count the ones I've not approved on one hand in maybe two or three weeks now. And all were ad hom drivebys by Anonymous Cowards, as far as I can remember.
76   WookieMan   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 13, 8:50pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

TwoScoopsPlissken says
Yeah, I didn't ask, but I have no problem doing it.


Sneaky Patrick. I had no idea. My hasty comment above was poorly worded:

WookieMan says
What thread is it in? I'm check recent stuff now


I was checking threads and didn't realize what you were talking about, ha! I'm check some other things out on the site tonight, that's for sure.
77   justme   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 14, 2:02am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

anon_349ac says
As someone who acted as parliamentarian at a contentious hearing I applaud the removal of these people.


Bogus argument. You probably wrote a bad law. Then you complain that people would rather speak out against the law than participate in the writing of said bad law? Look, if your intent was deemed bad to begin with, why would people legitimize it by participating? Why should they have read every detail of 85 pages of what they know is generally wrong, just to see if there might exist some gold nugget of goodness in there? The goodness of a law is not measured by how much time somebody spent writing it, but by what the intent and consequence of the law is.

>>We hade a core group of committed people- some lobbyists- some committed volunteers who poured their blood sweat & tears into this.

See the problem here? Oh, those poor hard-working lobbyists that did not get the law they worked so hard for. Oh, the disrespect of the voters that did not like our bad law! Oh, the humanity!
78   anon_349ac   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 14, 7:52am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

justme says
anon_349ac says
As someone who acted as parliamentarian at a contentious hearing I applaud the removal of these people.


Bogus argument. You probably wrote a bad law. Then you complain that people would rather speak out against the law than participate in the writing of said bad law? Look, if your intent was deemed bad to begin with, why would people legitimize it by participating? Why should they have read every detail of 85 pages of what they know is generally wrong, just to see if there might exist some gold nugget of goodness in there? The goodness of a law is not measured by how much time somebody spent writing it, but by what the intent and consequence of the law is.

>>We hade a core group of committed people- some lobbyists- some committed volunteers who poured their blood sweat & tears into this.

See the problem here? Oh, those poor hard-working lobbyists that did...


The "bad law" we wrote was to clean up a hazardous dump site and turn it into a river walk. It cost 175 million to clean it up and since the city didn't have 175 million we offered to sell a portion of it to a hotel who would pay.

The people who spoke out against it were the homeowners who would have to put up with a temporary road closure and "noisy trucks" which hauled off the spent nickel catalyst which seeped into the river. To gain sympathy they accused us of "being in the pockets of developers".

5 years later, the area is thriving, people enjoy the park or the adjacent hotel to sit on the river walk. We put property which was abandoned and toxic back to public use, added to the tax rolls via the hotel and cleaned up the river without spending a dime of the public's money. How is this bad?
79   justme   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 14, 8:41am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

anon_349ac says
the city didn't have 175 million we offered to sell a portion of it to a hotel who would pay.


The above may have something to do with the resistance against the law? Lobbyists, developers, selling of public lands for below-market value? Seriously, there is no way to verify your version of the story. But in any case, the original argument is about censorship, in a state assembly house no less. It is frightening that you can argue against free speech in the state assembly of West VIrginia.
80   anon_349ac   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 14, 10:05am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

How is it selling for below market value when the cost of clean up was 50% more than comps (i.e. It had negative value which is why it sat fallow for 40 years)

With regard to censorship, 14 proposals were floated over the years - yet the most ardent opponents flung poo at all of them. When I would ask "ok what would YOU do to clean up the Robinson Terminal?" Their response was a dismissive "oh I don't know that's for you to figure out". Well no shit Sherlock we tried 14 different times to have you work with us on a plan yet 14 times you declined. You say "get rid of the toxic terminal" and when we come up with 14 different ways to do it, none of which cost you money, all you can do is take a shit on it? Seriously?

So yes, when it comes to a public forum, and we open up the floor for the public to comment, before the vote - we expect you to be informed. And when there are 600 of you - 50 of which show up at every meeting to fling poo at every proposal no matter the subject - we will limit your time. And if you don't come prepared to speak intelligently, we will boot you from the microphone (always allowing you submit to your complaint in writing to become part of the public record, which you never do) and allow the few people who want to debate the merits of certain sections of it to not spend 10+ hours sitting around listening to BS.

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